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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 2, 2023 4:21:42 GMT
I might just go see Oppenheimer instead.
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Post by jppiper on Jul 2, 2023 21:14:24 GMT
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jul 2, 2023 21:41:24 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 2, 2023 23:00:43 GMT
I am not going to read it due to spoilers. I do have one question for you, though. From what I understand, this is supposed to be Harrison's last outing as Indy, and is supposed to be a goodbye for the character. I am guessing for you it doesn't even work on that level, am I right? jppiperI find box office to be meaningless. There have been plenty of great films that get shafted at the box office, and even terrible movies that makes lots of money.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jul 3, 2023 0:22:36 GMT
Well yeah I guess so. Crystal Skull already worked well as a goodbye to the character. This one... not so much.
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Post by jppiper on Jul 3, 2023 2:43:22 GMT
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 3, 2023 10:51:49 GMT
I might just go see Oppenheimer instead.
Incidentally, a rather topical subject matter. Christopher Nolan has struck luck there.
Hopefully the sound will be mixed correctly this time, the last one (whatever it was called) had serious issues with loud music and the inaudibility of the dialogue at times. It would be wise not the split the narrative over five (or whatever it was) characters as in Dunkirk either.
This is the moment for our boy Cillian to shine.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 4, 2023 0:21:53 GMT
If I recall, there were 3 different perspectives in Dunkirk. The soldiers on the beach, the RAF pilots, and the 3 men in the rescue boat. Personally, I enjoyed this approach. As for the sound mixing in Tenet, I did notice a couple of spots where it was difficult to hear the dialogue, although I don't think I am as sensitive to that as some. Furthermore, Nolan's movies are so action and visually driven I didn't really find the missing dialogue destroyed the experience. I kinda just felt my way through that movie intuitively, which works much better than trying to get it intellectually (which I didn't).
And yes, Ireland did a good job when it birthed Cillian Murphy. Same with Liam Neeson and Pierce Brosnan.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 4, 2023 11:04:22 GMT
As for the sound mixing in Tenet, I did notice a couple of spots where it was difficult to hear the dialogue, although I don't think I am as sensitive to that as some. Furthermore, Nolan's movies are so action and visually driven I didn't really find the missing dialogue destroyed the experience. I kinda just felt my way through that movie intuitively, which works much better than trying to get it intellectually (which I didn't).
There was a lot of crucial dialogue in Tenet. The sound mix was widely cliticised, I wasn't alone. I sure hope he's hired new staff for sound, and preferably a new composer too. I would say Tenet is one of his weakest films, he overdid it in complexity.
I must salute him, however, on axing Warner Bros. They behaved recklessly during the pandemic and now the smucks in control of that studio are learning of the price. I have so much time for what Nolan strands for, he's a cinema purist and not afraid to go against the grain and criticise damaging trends in Hollywood.
And no, I won't be paying any attention to what the YouTube crowd have to say about Oppenheimer. Again, either a film is the greatest thing ever or a meltdown to them, there are no shades of grey.
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Post by jppiper on Jul 4, 2023 17:39:15 GMT
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jul 5, 2023 18:17:04 GMT
So irrelevant, because most of those story decisions came from the writers and directors. Not to mention who is the one in control who greenlights things?
It's clear also that this James Van Fleet guy knows nothing of King Arthur
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Post by Ingram on Jul 6, 2023 9:12:57 GMT
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jul 6, 2023 9:47:21 GMT
You saw it? I think I might see it today or this weekend.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jul 7, 2023 21:13:23 GMT
I guess Ingram is still processing the movie 😝
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 7, 2023 23:49:58 GMT
Is it really an Indiana Jones movie if Ingram isn't into it? Many philosophical treatises could be written to answer this question. Or a simple yes or no will do. Whatever.
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Post by Ingram on Jul 8, 2023 9:34:26 GMT
I guess Ingram is still processing the movie 😝
Unfortunately there isn't much to process. You referenced above the Roderick Heath review as fair approximation of how you felt about the film and likewise it sums up my general takeaway as well, some minor differences aside. I simply haven't a proper review of my own to generate here. Maybe time and an eventual rewatch will spur deeper insight from me. Till then...
The 1st act, from WWII Nazi Germany through present-set New York City, was solid. Not leaping off the screen, but solid. Along the way I kept thinking, "What's the problem? Why has this thing been getting so much shit?" Once Indy globetrotts his way to Morocco and onward into the Mediterranean is where the proceedings glaze over with a vaguely dull feeling of repetition and misplaced downtime, as if all of Mangold's keenest homework notes concerning Spielberg's instinctual filmmaking talents for throwback serialized invention & thrift where exhausted on aforesaid 1st act.
Crystal Skull is only relatively my least favorite of the four previous Lucasberg installments on a structural level, with a midsection lacking some crispness in pacing. But it's also a shorter film that makes up for such irregularity with simpler stage stetups and comic-strip personality; Indy's delineated moments with Spalko, Mac, Marion, Oxley; that wonderfully goofy scene with him starring into the Skull. Dial of Destiny drags by comparison even when somehow busier with chases and sharp plot-turns. Again, not abysmal. It just idles for noticeably too long a time and with the script adding on too many utterly forgettable side characters.
And then the last, say, 25-minutes of the film happens... and I'm sitting there (in a depressingly empty theater, to boot) realizing just how plainly Mangold has botched what on paper is the wildest of scenarios Indiana Jones has ever experienced. Botched in showmanship, or lack thereof, to be exact. I was onboard with the 'Antikythera' macguffin up to that point and enthused enough with my loose notion of where it was all going, even ready for something pretty batty. Yet it all amounts to such an awkward, fussy anticlimax severely deprived of awe, terror, mystique or any bringing down of the curtain that felt dramatic. Our heroes parachute down on a hillside and stand around in stilted conflict before the whole thing is disposed of rather flippantly with a punch-to-blackout. It just didn't work. It didn't grab me with pulp verve à la Ark phantasms, flaming magic rocks, a Grail knight or an interdimensional super-saucer zapping out of spacetime. It had neither the thematic poise nor the boyish abandonment of those finales, nor even really a single memorable frame or striking image.
Equally out of place was the epilogue that follows. Where I appreciate the return of a beloved character and therein a nice bit of tenderness between two aged actors, it still came off like a wet blanket attempt at anchoring a franchise genetically rooted in both Depression Era Republic Serials and Silver-Screen Hollywood at large too far into the spectrum of conventional sentiments nondescript in nature. Ford and Connery had nuanced moments throughout Last Crusade that were nonetheless kept in check with an offhanded, pre-method-acting cheeriness. Mangold aims more for straight character drama here that ends the movie on a flat note.
I won't get into the much jeered Helena Shaw heroine—suffice to say, the corporate manufactured scripting was far more a detriment than the otherwise lively actress cast in the role.
Ford however acquitted himself nicely. No real surprise there.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jul 8, 2023 11:27:12 GMT
Yeah I definitely agree that the Rome scene was horribly anticlimactic - and it should have been the most exciting part of the movie
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 8, 2023 16:19:57 GMT
I tried convincing some friends to go see it with me. Alas, they were insistent on a "no way".
Maybe they're secret NF lurkers....
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Post by jppiper on Jul 8, 2023 22:17:27 GMT
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 9, 2023 13:53:11 GMT
Shorthand for Naberrie Fields.
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