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Post by thephantomcalamari on Apr 2, 2021 12:41:35 GMT
Don't think we have a thread about this. How are we all feeling about this, especially in light of the fact that not just George Lucas but also Steven Spielberg will not be involved?
For myself, to say I'm ambivalent would be an understatement.
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Post by starwarshexalogy on Apr 2, 2021 19:39:50 GMT
If it´s not made by George Lucas and Steven Spielberg than it´s not a real Indiana Jones movie. I can´t wait to not watch it.
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Post by mikeximus on Apr 2, 2021 20:06:02 GMT
Well, unfortunately for me, Crystal Skulls showed that just because Lucas and Spielberg are involved doesn't mean it's going to be a good Indiana Jones movie. Crystal Skulls has its moments, but, it just didn't feel right. Not to mention LeBeouf was just not a good fit in that world. Something was really off about him.
I will give the new movie a chance. See what happens.
I don't have much confidence. With what we have seen come out of LFL in these 9 years, I wouldn't doubt that we get an agenda filled movie where identity politics and progressive principles are pushed to the front rather than just giving us good characters (regardless of their sex, race etc etc).
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Post by jppiper on Apr 2, 2021 21:05:01 GMT
if they break up Indy and Marion I'll be Pissed!
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Post by Alexrd on Apr 2, 2021 21:18:49 GMT
If it´s not made by George Lucas and Steven Spielberg than it´s not a real Indiana Jones movie. I can´t wait to not watch it. Same here.
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Post by Ingram on Apr 3, 2021 9:59:30 GMT
Dispassionate curiosity somewhat tinged with a vague form of anxiety. Indy 5 was once upon a time a set destination for team Lucasberg. Around then I would've been content with the four installments as they were, Indy strolling off screen once and for all with his bride and hat still-in-hand. But said team saddling up again for yet another weird adventure (the final true denouement of sorts, perhaps) rife with retro-pulp formalism and further genre experimentation was simply too much for me to shy away from cynically. Of course I was on board. It's my favorite goddamn film series. But...that was then.
Lucas has long since vanished, an auteur recluse on his own figurative Ahch-To island. Or, I guess he's just too busy with relative retirement plus his art museum. The symbiosis was gone and, in its absence, the constant pre-production delays seemed to have altogether drained Spielberg to completion of whatever remaining spirit he had for the project. Sure, he's still onboard as producer but then he was also a producer on Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom so, ya know, take that with a grain of salt. So now it's another franchise -- the other, cousin to Star Wars -- whose returning sequel will no doubt be polished handsomely and with all the familiar surface mechanics, but with an underlying creative impetus that is questionable to say the least.
James Mangold is a consummate filmmaker: at once modern and traditional...in a 1990s Oscar bait sorta way, therein dramatically poised with his mise en scene direction, aesthetically alert and a sharp editor, and even capable of some crowd-pleasing comedic timing. He's never crass or overwrought; stylish without being obnoxious. He's conventional. His movies are like very fine martinis, the kind you'd order at a yacht club or sports bar for executives: top model but, at the end of the day, a cocktail is just a cocktail. I could think of worse filmmakers to take the helm, I guess. Far worse. I can't imagine the movie being TFA levels of soul-crushing artifice nor just plain terrible in any general sense, yet I also haven't much confidence that it will rise to the pop-art moxie of its predecessors. I suspect it'll be just kinda there, this franchise's equivalent of Solo, maybe a touch more memorable or less.
Put it this way, I would love for nothing more than to have Mangold and Co. surprise me. But a surprise it would be nonetheless.
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Post by mikeximus on Apr 3, 2021 15:50:29 GMT
Ingram.. What were your thoughts on Crystal Skulls? As big a fan of Indy as you are, I have to imagine your eye for the movies is far more intricate than mine. I have always been a fan of the Indy movies, always enjoyed them, but I am nowhere near the level of fan as I am for things like Star Wars or Lord Of The Rings. So I am interested in what a Indy die hard thought of Crystal Skulls.
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Post by thephantomcalamari on Apr 3, 2021 16:38:21 GMT
This thread should be moved to the Other Topics section, where non-Star Wars films are discussed. There is already one for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which I believe is also under the House of Mouse I assumed that section was for stuff that didn't have to do with George Lucas/Lucasfilm but sure, whoever has the ability to move it can do so. Dispassionate curiosity somewhat tinged with a vague form of anxiety. Indy 5 was once upon a time a set destination for team Lucasberg. Around then I would've been content with the four installments as they were, Indy strolling off screen once and for all with his bride and hat still-in-hand. But said team saddling up again for yet another weird adventure (the final true denouement of sorts, perhaps) rife with retro-pulp formalism and further genre experimentation was simply too much for me to shy away from cynically. Of course I was on board. It's my favorite goddamn film series. But...that was then. Lucas has long since vanished, an auteur recluse on his own figurative Ahch-To island. Or, I guess he's just too busy with relative retirement plus his art museum. The symbiosis was gone and, in its absence, the constant pre-production delays seemed to have altogether drained Spielberg to completion of whatever remaining spirit he had for the project. Sure, he's still onboard as producer but then he was also a producer on Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom so, ya know, take that with a grain of salt. So now it's another franchise -- the other, cousin to Star Wars -- whose returning sequel will no doubt be polished handsomely and with all the familiar surface mechanics, but with an underlying creative impetus that is questionable to say the least. James Mangold is a consummate filmmaker: at once modern and traditional...in a 1990s Oscar bait sorta way, therein dramatically poised with his mise en scene direction, aesthetically alert and a sharp editor, and even capable of some crowd-pleasing comedic timing. He's never crass or overwrought; stylish without being obnoxious. He's conventional. His movies are like very fine martinis, the kind you'd order at a yacht club or sports bar for executives: top model but, at the end of the day, a cocktail is just a cocktail. I could think of worse filmmakers to take the helm, I guess. Far worse. I can't imagine the movie being TFA levels of soul-crushing artifice nor just plain terrible in any general sense, yet I also haven't much confidence that it will rise to the pop-art moxie of its predecessors. I suspect it'll be just kinda there, this franchise's equivalent of Solo, maybe a touch more memorable or less. Put it this way, I would love for nothing more than to have Mangold and Co. surprise me. But a surprise it would be nonetheless.
There definitely won't be any refreshing surprises on the level of the MacGuffin being an extraterrestrial crystal skull. I would peg the odds of the MacGuffin being yet another Judeo-Christian artifact at just under 100%. I'd put the odds of the bad guys yet again being Nazis lower than that, but only because I suspect Disney might want to avoid them for reasons similar to the ones Spielberg professed. Whoever is positioned as Indy's heir to the fedora is likely to be as close to a carbon-copy of Ford as possible, to erase any lingering memories of a 1950's greaser discovering that he, like his father, contains the pulp adventure potentialities of Zorro and Tarzan within him, or anything else as mythopoetically interesting as that.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on May 26, 2021 2:09:08 GMT
I think whether I watch this movie or not depends largely on Karen Allen´s return
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Post by jppiper on May 26, 2021 2:37:18 GMT
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Post by eljedicolombiano on May 26, 2021 2:49:29 GMT
I´ll vomit if they do that and not watch the movie
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Post by Ingram on Oct 15, 2021 9:14:44 GMT
I don't usually go looking for behind-the-scene set photos but this just sorta popped up on my radar. And, well:
"Into the space between spaces."
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Post by natalie on Oct 15, 2021 14:17:03 GMT
I thought Crystal Skull was ok. Not great but not horrible like some people say. I was glad to see Indy and Marion back together even if Shia kinda sucked. Looking back, it was a pretty good sendoff compare to the treatment of Han and Luke in the sequels. And yes, Harrison Ford still rocked as Indy but he may be tad too old now.
I guess I'm mildly curious but I fully expect the next movie to kill off Indy just like other iconic characters lately.
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Post by jppiper on Oct 19, 2021 1:53:01 GMT
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Post by Ingram on Oct 19, 2021 9:12:05 GMT
This only further distills for me an alchemy of disappointment and apathy. From it's initial go not long after the fourth installment with Lucas still housing an idea to the Disney takeover to Lucas exiting entirely to then Spielberg himself stepping down from the helm (a surreal concept that I've yet to fully wrap my head around: Indiana Jones sans Lucasberg) to 31 different flavors of script iterations passed over... the whole thing feels more hallowed-out than ever before.
John Williams will be 91 before he can score the damn movie. One can only hope he doesn't retire (or worse) before then.
But, yeah, in the most boyish sense I was still looking forward to next summer; finally, the movie coming out within less than a year's time. Alas, what genuine enthusiasm I have is steadily giving way to indifference—me, The World's Biggest Indiana Jones Fan. Who would've guessed...
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Post by Ingram on Jun 1, 2022 7:19:26 GMT
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 2, 2022 20:40:26 GMT
I'm not a hardcore Indie fan, though I do enjoy them all, and I find them to be the perfect Christmas movies well... after my beloved Home Alone. If I were to make a prediction, I would say that the new film will be made with the intention of setting up a spin-off film or TV series, ideally with a female protagonist. The baddies would be the American Confederacy, who have miraculously survived in a remote part of the Appalachians, and are in search of a Native American treasure from which they may be able to fully resurrect their political operation. Yeah, yeah, I know images of ancient soldiers have been posted, but this is Disney and they're surely not going to pass on a foray into the contemporary American political landscape, right?
Will Jones get the TLJ treatment? Should he get the TLJ treatment? Will there be blue milk?
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Post by Ingram on Jun 26, 2022 11:52:45 GMT
Look's as if this 5th installment will close John Williams' career.
No words to describe how fitting I find this. Some might argue that something Star Wars related should constitute his final work but I think he's said all there is to say about that franchise, musically speaking. He'll collaborate once more with Spielberg for the latter's semi-autobiopic The Fabelmans this fall, so I can't think of a better Williamsesque way to go out than with one final summertime Raiders March & company.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Nov 19, 2022 2:24:13 GMT
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Post by Ingram on Nov 19, 2022 4:01:08 GMT
I can honestly say this is shaping up to be the single biggest 'approach-with-caution' in my entire moviegoing life.
Trailer's expected to drop within the next couple-three weeks.
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