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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 7, 2020 21:42:02 GMT
A place to discuss The Clone Wars animated series without having to engage in pointless arguments about Disney.
So, here's my first question to you all: what are your favourite scenes?
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 7, 2020 22:20:53 GMT
I'm rewatching the series right now. I'm pretty impressed with the graphics, even the first season is holding up. Lightsaber Lost stands out to me, and of course Hunt for Ziro, when he and Sy visit his mother. The episode where R2 and 3PO go out to buy fruit, and R2 goes to a droid spa while 3PO gets tortured by Can Bane really stands out to me. The episode with Yoda and the younglings in the cave was a great stand-alone, and the R2 and 3PO adventure episodes were so weird, I enjoyed them. The Katie Lucas Ventress episodes were probably the best the show ever got. The Mortis stuff was so weird, I still don't know what to think of it. The overt homage episodes were my least favorite aspect of the show, but I like the free energy of the series as a whole. They left the impression that Lucas and the writers were just having fun and taking risks.
I see TCW series as the beginning of the end of the EU, as it was the first major thing in SW to trample over a highly developed timeline. I remember there being some uproar about the Citadel arc killing off a Jedi council member, and the revelation that Grievous was basically a bug-robot by choice. The first season of the Tartakovsky Clone Wars series could still work as a good prologue to TCW.
Until this past week, I felt like the series had stepped on the continuity of Episode III a bit too much (the Sidious vs Yoda stuff, Anakin and Obi-Wan vs Dooku, Order 66) and I considered it mostly a fun experiment than part of the SW saga. Season 6 was so bold about spoiling Revenge of the Sith continuity that I basically disregarded it, but without going into detail about season 7, the fact that TCW does have AN ending now, has opened my imagination up a bit.
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Post by peppermint on May 8, 2020 0:37:05 GMT
Hmm, favorite scenes...
Off the top of my head, in no particular order:
Innocents of Ryloth has a bunch - Waxer and Boil encountering Numa. Numa bringing Waxer and Boil to her home. Obi-Wan directing the hungry creatures away from his men. I love the whole episode, really - it's one of my favorite episodes out of the entire show (and one of the reasons why I'll never understand the advice to skip the first season), because it's such an exemplary demonstration of compassion as one of Star Wars's central themes, but I'd highlight those three scenes as my favorites from it.
Rookies - Hevy's sacrifice. "I don't." Such an intense way to go out.
Ambush - Yoda talking with the clones in the cave. It's a great Yoda scene (and I love Yoda), showing him in his natural role as a teacher, and one of my favorites of the early-season scenes establishing the positive working relationship between Jedi and clones.
The Lawless - Satine's death is a very emotional scene. I love the music on it especially. Also the scene where the doors open to show all the chaos outside, with Obi-Wan standing looking out at all of it - that's a powerful shot.
Pursuit of Peace - the ending scene, where Palpatine laments “Isn’t it remarkable that one can have all the power in the galaxy, and yet the words of a single senator can sway the thoughts of millions?". I like this scene a lot because I'll die on the hill that Padmé was the greatest threat to Palpatine's plans in the prequels (sure, she'd never be able to take him in a fight, but that's not the arena he's operating in).
Revival - Obi-Wan dual-wielding against Maul and Savage. It's just cool.
The Umbara arc has a ton of really good scenes, but especially in Carnage of Krell, when Rex realizes that they're shooting at other clones. What a devastating scene that was, and a great parallel to the war itself (two sides being manipulated for a senseless conflict orchestrated by one cruel man).
Also, Hondo Ohnaka is a delight to watch almost every time he's on screen, it's hard to narrow down my favorites of his scenes.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 17, 2020 10:56:12 GMT
I'm rewatching the series right now.
How about we all do this? The film club doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so I'm well up for a Clone Wars rewatch (I didn't do so before season 7). We can do one season a week?
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 17, 2020 21:26:57 GMT
I'm rewatching the series right now.
How about we all do this? The film club doesn't seem to be going anywhere, so I'm well up for a Clone Wars rewatch (I didn't do so before season 7). We can do one season a week?
1. Not everyone will participate. 2. I'll talk about it with you privately if you like. My facebook is m.facebook.com/sharif.mansour.163. Don't you wanna watch it in chronological order? |
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 18, 2020 11:13:44 GMT
Man, where were you guys the last four years?  In 2016-2019 I went through TCW series every spring as part of my year-long journey through the Star Wars Saga (Darth Plagueis novel through RotJ), but I can't this year because I have no means to. |
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Post by Alexrd on May 18, 2020 12:38:39 GMT
What one day I would like to do is to watch the series in production order, just to appreciate the technical improvements and evolution.
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Post by jppiper on Aug 5, 2020 21:11:12 GMT
Alas Not Everyone Loves the Clone Wars there's this Youtuber who doesn't like it because it messed with the canon of the old EU (which lucas never considered canon) if anyone's interested in what he has to say here's a link www.youtube.com/user/SuperTweedles/videos |
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Post by jtn90 on Aug 6, 2020 11:02:23 GMT
Alas Not Everyone Loves the Clone Wars there's this Youtuber who doesn't like it because it messed with the canon of the old EU (which lucas never considered canon) if anyone's interested in what he has to say here's a link www.youtube.com/user/SuperTweedles/videosHe has a video saying that Lucas never considered the EU canon was a myth,anyway what I undestand by researching is that Lucas considered it as part of Star Wars but If he had to contradict it to not have creative limits,he would do it, only making no canon the part of the EU that he contraicted,that why the Canon hierarchy was created  As this shows the movies are the top of the hierarchy and anything that contradict it is not canon(unless they find an explanation) and it shows that The Clone Wars is more canon than the rest of the EU,but doesn't mean the EU was no canon,just "less canon" than the movies and The Clone Wars. Also a Fantasy Flight games Star Wars role game,found a weay to reconciliate the events from both TCW and EU by saying that the empired made propaganda where some events of the clone wars where exaggerated or filled by middle truths. |
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Post by natalie on Jan 20, 2021 14:33:11 GMT
Somehow I lost interest on S3. I probably should give it another try since everyone is saying it gets better around that time. I'm still not on board with Ahsoka as Anakin's padawan along with making him some kind of a space jock. I found the original Clone Wars multimedia project and the microseries to be a better transition between Episodes II and III, especially Anakin's journey. It even shows the Chancellor being "kidnapped".
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Post by thephantomcalamari on Feb 3, 2021 15:55:53 GMT
Somehow I lost interest on S3. I probably should give it another try since everyone is saying it gets better around that time. I'm still not on board with Ahsoka as Anakin's padawan along with making him some kind of a space jock. I found the original Clone Wars multimedia project and the microseries to be a better transition between Episodes II and III, especially Anakin's journey. It even shows the Chancellor being "kidnapped". As far as Anakin being a "space jock," I think that was already supposed to be the idea in the opening sequence of Episode III. That's why he quotes Han Solo and stuff. TCW just takes that aspect of his personality and magnifies it, because that's all that's really relevant during the war years. Which I think is appropriate for the show, but it does make me roll by eyes a bit when people say Anakin is a more dynamic character in TCW. He's clearly less dynamic, in the same way that Indiana Jones is less dynamic than Luke Skywalker. It's not a knock on the show. He doesn't have to be more than that, because TCW is less arc-driven than the movies. But it's true. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 17, 2021 15:12:01 GMT
Somehow I lost interest on S3. I probably should give it another try since everyone is saying it gets better around that time. I'm still not on board with Ahsoka as Anakin's padawan along with making him some kind of a space jock. I found the original Clone Wars multimedia project and the microseries to be a better transition between Episodes II and III, especially Anakin's journey. It even shows the Chancellor being "kidnapped". I agree with this. I too prefer the micro-series. The only really good season of TCW, in my opinion, is season 3, and mostly because of Mortis, which feels like something that is more consequential to the films. Otherwise large chunks of the series feel like clone fanservice. Though I appreciate that the series is Lucas' final say on his saga. Problems I have with the series include: Ahsoka. I don't have a problem with Anakin having a padawan, per se, but Ahsoka became too important to the series to really mesh with the films, in which she is never even mentioned. Her running around during RotS just creates problems. I thought she was bearable in the first few seasons, but became irritating later. Anakin's portrayal. He is pretty much himself from the beginning of RotS, but lacks enough darker moments. I think the micro-series did a better job of showing his instability. The dark moments of Anakin in TCW feel almost out-of-character, because most of the time he seems so well adjusted. When casting Anakin for the prequels, George said he wanted to cast someone with a darker streak, and not a funny guy and try to make him have an undercurrent of darkness. I think with Matt Lanter he cast the funny guy. He doesn't have that darker presence. The voice actor from the micro-series, Mat Lucas, did a better job at that, plus he sounded more like Hayden. The clones. I think they somewhat overdid humanizing the clones. The clones are seen holding conversations in the PT and Cody has a sense of humor, but I think they took it too far in TCW. The clones were more mysterious in the PT and the micro-series. Especially the ARC troopers, who didn't talk much and used hand signals. The decision to change, or elaborate on the clones might have been a reaction to complaints against the PT, like Anakin's portrayal. This is all just my opinion, though. |
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Post by Alexrd on May 17, 2021 15:55:55 GMT
Back when TCW came out, I called out the only two logical possibilities for Ahsoka's fate, and they needed to happen a considerable amount of time before the events of ROTS in order for the characters to digest it and move on: she either left the Jedi and went on with her life or she died. I'm of the opinion that her dying would ironically be more problematic to the movies than her survival. Unfortunately we will never know the ending George envisioned, or how he planned to continue (for instance, we now know Maul's survival would be relevant in his sequel trilogy).
As for the clones, I don't think they overdid in humanizing them, or that it was a reaction to criticism (I don't recall any criticism regarding the clones in the movies). It's not a new idea either, since Lucas was already implementing that in ROTS, he simply didn't divert the focus of the movie to it. He got the chance to do it in TCW. It's a great contrast to the stormtroopers too, which I think was part of the idea.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 21, 2021 20:14:18 GMT
Somehow I lost interest on S3. I probably should give it another try since everyone is saying it gets better around that time. I'm still not on board with Ahsoka as Anakin's padawan along with making him some kind of a space jock. I found the original Clone Wars multimedia project and the microseries to be a better transition between Episodes II and III, especially Anakin's journey. It even shows the Chancellor being "kidnapped". I agree with this. I too prefer the micro-series. The only really good season of TCW, in my opinion, is season 3, and mostly because of Mortis, which feels like something that is more consequential to the films. Otherwise large chunks of the series feel like clone fanservice. Though I appreciate that the series is Lucas' final say on his saga. Problems I have with the series include: Ahsoka. I don't have a problem with Anakin having a padawan, per se, but Ahsoka became too important to the series to really mesh with the films, in which she is never even mentioned. Her running around during RotS just creates problems. I thought she was bearable in the first few seasons, but became irritating later. Anakin's portrayal. He is pretty much himself from the beginning of RotS, but lacks enough darker moments. I think the micro-series did a better job of showing his instability. The dark moments of Anakin in TCW feel almost out-of-character, because most of the time he seems so well adjusted. When casting Anakin for the prequels, George said he wanted to cast someone with a darker streak, and not a funny guy and try to make him have an undercurrent of darkness. I think with Matt Lanter he cast the funny guy. He doesn't have that darker presence. The voice actor from the micro-series, Mat Lucas, did a better job at that, plus he sounded more like Hayden. The clones. I think they somewhat overdid humanizing the clones. The clones are seen holding conversations in the PT and Cody has a sense of humor, but I think they took it too far in TCW. The clones were more mysterious in the PT and the micro-series. Especially the ARC troopers, who didn't talk much and used hand signals. The decision to change, or elaborate on the clones might have been a reaction to complaints against the PT, like Anakin's portrayal. This is all just my opinion, though. Ahsoka is a character I feel torn about. In some ways, I feel like she should have died in Rebels when she fought Vader. Because, when you have her running around in the OT, Luke and Leia are no longer the galaxy's only hope. It lowers the stakes. If Luke and Leia fail, there's still Ahsoka. From what I understand there was a bit of a contest between Lucas and Filoni over whether or not Ahsoka dies or lives. Filoni won the contest. Now I can understand why he'd keep her around. As a storyteller, you never know what kind of potential you're killing off when you kill a character. The fact Ahsoka is getting her own show is a juicy proposition for a storyteller. I get why, as a story teller, Filoni isn't going to pass that opportunity up. Furthermore, Ahsoka was SO POPULAR. If you killed her off, people would have flipped their biscuits. They would have felt personally harmed by it. So again, that is more incentive to keep her around (Filoni, when I see him on stage at Celebration, he really knows and understands the crowd. He is def tapped into what they want). I also get the impression that feminism played a role in the creative decision making in regards to Ahsoka. If they kill her off at the end of the War or when she fights Vader, feminist fans would have been pissed because her destiny would be tied to Anakin (i.e. a man!!!). And that, in feminist media, is a big NO NO. For me, everything after ROTS is just a big bonus round. I enjoy it for what it is. I say all of this as a fan of Ahsoka. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 22, 2021 6:37:56 GMT
I agree with this. I too prefer the micro-series. The only really good season of TCW, in my opinion, is season 3, and mostly because of Mortis, which feels like something that is more consequential to the films. Otherwise large chunks of the series feel like clone fanservice. Though I appreciate that the series is Lucas' final say on his saga. Problems I have with the series include: Ahsoka. I don't have a problem with Anakin having a padawan, per se, but Ahsoka became too important to the series to really mesh with the films, in which she is never even mentioned. Her running around during RotS just creates problems. I thought she was bearable in the first few seasons, but became irritating later. Anakin's portrayal. He is pretty much himself from the beginning of RotS, but lacks enough darker moments. I think the micro-series did a better job of showing his instability. The dark moments of Anakin in TCW feel almost out-of-character, because most of the time he seems so well adjusted. When casting Anakin for the prequels, George said he wanted to cast someone with a darker streak, and not a funny guy and try to make him have an undercurrent of darkness. I think with Matt Lanter he cast the funny guy. He doesn't have that darker presence. The voice actor from the micro-series, Mat Lucas, did a better job at that, plus he sounded more like Hayden. The clones. I think they somewhat overdid humanizing the clones. The clones are seen holding conversations in the PT and Cody has a sense of humor, but I think they took it too far in TCW. The clones were more mysterious in the PT and the micro-series. Especially the ARC troopers, who didn't talk much and used hand signals. The decision to change, or elaborate on the clones might have been a reaction to complaints against the PT, like Anakin's portrayal. This is all just my opinion, though. Ahsoka is a character I feel torn about. In some ways, I feel like she should have died in Rebels when she fought Vader. Because, when you have her running around in the OT, Luke and Leia are no longer the galaxy's only hope. It lowers the stakes. If Luke and Leia fail, there's still Ahsoka. From what I understand there was a bit of a contest between Lucas and Filoni over whether or not Ahsoka dies or lives. Filoni won the contest. Now I can understand why he'd keep her around. As a storyteller, you never know what kind of potential you're killing off when you kill a character. The fact Ahsoka is getting her own show is a juicy proposition for a storyteller. I get why, as a story teller, Filoni isn't going to pass that opportunity up. Furthermore, Ahsoka was SO POPULAR. If you killed her off, people would have flipped their biscuits. They would have felt personally harmed by it. So again, that is more incentive to keep her around (Filoni, when I see him on stage at Celebration, he really knows and understands the crowd. He is def tapped into what they want). I also get the impression that feminism played a role in the creative decision making in regards to Ahsoka. If they kill her off at the end of the War or when she fights Vader, feminist fans would have been pissed because her destiny would be tied to Anakin (i.e. a man!!!). And that, in feminist media, is a big NO NO. For me, everything after ROTS is just a big bonus round. I enjoy it for what it is. I say all of this as a fan of Ahsoka. I think she should have died during the war, or during Order 66 at the latest. Her dying during the war before Order 66 would have been a poignant way to illustrate the casualties of the Clone Wars, and another tragedy for Anakin. That way there would be enough time for the characters to distance themselves from her, explaining why she isn't mentioned in RotS. She is indeed very popular, and Filoni is a fan favorite as well, but I think he sacrificed the art when prolonging the life of Ahsoka. Now they can milk her indefinitely, even though it doesn't make much sense story-wise. And I didn't like how she turned into Gandalf at the end of Rebels. |
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Post by jppiper on May 22, 2021 7:27:22 GMT
Ahsoka is a character I feel torn about. In some ways, I feel like she should have died in Rebels when she fought Vader. Because, when you have her running around in the OT, Luke and Leia are no longer the galaxy's only hope. It lowers the stakes. If Luke and Leia fail, there's still Ahsoka. From what I understand there was a bit of a contest between Lucas and Filoni over whether or not Ahsoka dies or lives. Filoni won the contest. Now I can understand why he'd keep her around. As a storyteller, you never know what kind of potential you're killing off when you kill a character. The fact Ahsoka is getting her own show is a juicy proposition for a storyteller. I get why, as a story teller, Filoni isn't going to pass that opportunity up. Furthermore, Ahsoka was SO POPULAR. If you killed her off, people would have flipped their biscuits. They would have felt personally harmed by it. So again, that is more incentive to keep her around (Filoni, when I see him on stage at Celebration, he really knows and understands the crowd. He is def tapped into what they want). I also get the impression that feminism played a role in the creative decision making in regards to Ahsoka. If they kill her off at the end of the War or when she fights Vader, feminist fans would have been pissed because her destiny would be tied to Anakin (i.e. a man!!!). And that, in feminist media, is a big NO NO. For me, everything after ROTS is just a big bonus round. I enjoy it for what it is. I say all of this as a fan of Ahsoka. I think she should have died during the war, or during Order 66 at the latest. Her dying during the war before Order 66 would have been a poignant way to illustrate the casualties of the Clone Wars, and another tragedy for Anakin. That way there would be enough time for the characters to distance themselves from her, explaining why she isn't mentioned in RotS. She is indeed very popular, and Filoni is a fan favorite as well, but I think he sacrificed the art when prolonging the life of Ahsoka. Now they can milk her indefinitely, even though it doesn't make much sense story-wise. And I didn't like how she turned into Gandalf at the end of Rebels. why do i get the feeling there will be a tell all book revealing that not everything was hunky dory during the making of TCW? |
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Post by Gen on Aug 1, 2021 15:13:56 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 2, 2021 23:48:55 GMT
I've been meaning to marathon the series again, so this is a great idea for a thread. Never forgot this shot from the movie:  |
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Post by Alexrd on Aug 3, 2021 20:09:23 GMT
This one is by far one of my favourites:  La cosa nostra:  Yoda's trial:  |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 3, 2021 20:32:20 GMT
Oi, I have hundreds of framegrabs of my favorite shots from TCW series, several from each arc, that I made into a slideshow screensaver. But alas, they're all on my desktop back in the States.
I'll have to try to make do with what I can find online.
I watched the series every spring from 2016-2019 as part of my yearlong journey through the Lucas Star Wars saga, but wasn't able to do it these last two years with all my DVDs with my desktop.
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In 2016-2019 I went through TCW series every spring as part of my year-long journey through the Star Wars Saga (Darth Plagueis novel through RotJ), but I can't this year because I have no means to.
