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Post by tonyg on Jun 12, 2024 12:17:25 GMT
Subtext MiningComment from youtube The Clone Wars Animated Show showed us the actual wars we missed out on in the movies, it showed the strengthening of the relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan, it showed how awesome Padme truly is, and showed us that Anakin was truly a great Jedi. Agree or Disagree? Disagree. We got the important beats of the PT. The war itself isn’t important. Palpatine wins either way. Seeing how Palpatine manufactures several crises that lead to the war and seeing how the rise of the Empire is more than just the a result of the war is more interesting imo. Plus, I feel like we got A LOT for two movies. The Battle of Geonosis trumps Hoth and Endor when showing the scale of the civil war and the Battle of Coruscant and Utapau are important to ROTS’s plot. Kashyyyk is just a nice bonus. The scale is shown to be far more dynamic imo than anything that could have been shown in the OT and I think Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship in Episode III is more meaningful THANKS to the contrast in I and II. Anakin and Obi-Wan are more than just friends who bantered for 3 years, they were also at odds politically and mentally, but still loved each other despite the frustrations and problems. I think the PT shows a much more dynamic and complex (maybe even more realistic than SW should) relationship. Agree. In a way, the show is a spinoff. The war is shown in all it's scale in PT: the beginning with the battle of Geonosis (the scariest I saw in SW) the tipping point with the battle of Coruscant (the beginning of Episode 3) and other glimpses through the battle of Kashyyk and Utapau. The culmination is of course, Order 66. I saw several reactions to Order 66 in YouTube by viewers who had never watched anything else than the movies. They almost cried seeing the Jedi massacre. So, yes, we saw how cruel, devastating and terrifying the Clone Wars were. It is nice to have extra material but in a way, TCW is part of the Extended Universe for me, even for the fact that they replaced Anakin with this more Han Solo type version, i.e. more traditional and less complex. I see the purpose here, my point is that TCW is something that is made for extra material and not like essential part of the Saga. |
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Post by jppiper on Jun 12, 2024 16:26:38 GMT
tonygThe fans are spoiled brats!
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jun 12, 2024 23:36:06 GMT
Well, I agree. But I also believe the films did all these things as well as could be expected in six hours, with so many other tings to cover. My take is a combination of Deliveranze and Tony's respsonse. I enjoy the movies and they show us everything we need to know. But TCW adds some layers to the drama, and shows us more of the war.
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Post by deliveranze on Jun 18, 2024 0:59:54 GMT
Well, I agree. But I also believe the films did all these things as well as could be expected in six hours, with so many other tings to cover. My take is a combination of Deliveranze and Tony's respsonse. I enjoy the movies and they show us everything we need to know. But TCW adds some layers to the drama, and shows us more of the war. I think it’s interesting because doesn’t all EU material enhance the films? Like doesn’t all the books, comics, etc. featuring the OT3 flesh out dynamics and characters in a way that the OT can’t? Like only the EU can show Leia learning about Anakin’s slave past and childhood or Luke finding out about Vader’s crimes during Order 66, and yet, it seems the PT is the one targeted for “not giving enough” when I’d argue Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padme are the most dynamic/dimensional characters of the saga (including the ST). I like TCW and there are some awesome ideas and serialized adventures where the action is more engaging than Anakin spitting one-liners for 20 minutes (I think the whole banking clan arc in Season 6 is phenomenal, I love Trespass, The Hidden Enemy and the Umbara arc) and I am happy the show exists. That being said, I also really loved how much the multimedia project fleshed out that era too. Seeing Anakin’s transition from Padawan to Knight in Jedi Trial and the microseries, Obi-Wan’s original love interest in Siri Tachi, the whole Jabiim arc from Republic comics, the one-shot stories of Clone Wars Adventures, etc. So TCW to me kinda seemed like a “more icing on an already iced cake” |
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Post by Alexrd on Jun 18, 2024 9:10:43 GMT
I think it’s interesting because doesn’t all EU material enhance the films?  |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 18, 2024 12:20:40 GMT
When Anakin tells Dooku "My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count." he means when he got his arm chopped off in Episode II. That's the subtext. It allows for multiple interpretations, so they kinda broke that piece of continuity to give themselves creative freedom on TCW, but at the same time, the whole series is very What If? What If Anakin Had A Padawan: The Show. So, I keep the original six films separate, while with the other media I kind of just enjoy them for what they are. I don't necessarily think EU enhances itself beyond the occasional callback or reference to past works. The idea of some grand timeline in Star Wars, of which the episodic films are just a tiny part of, exists mostly in my own imagination. And for the record, nothing against Jon Stewart, but Obi-Wan is not from the planet Stewjon.
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Post by deliveranze on Jun 18, 2024 21:50:22 GMT
I think it’s interesting because doesn’t all EU material enhance the films? Well I meant more in a sense that those who claim the PT is saved by TCW because it “expands the prequels” and that isn’t that the point of an Expanded Universe in that you’re spending more time in the universe and therefore expanding character interactions, locations, etc.? That why does TCW save something that didn’t need it but the OT era’s expansions aren’t treated the same. (Of course, the answer is anti-PT bias) Not that I think the EU is actually making the films better or offering something that Lucas can’t. Because that isn’t true. Everything important to the story of Star Wars as a franchise and universe is in the first 6 films. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jun 19, 2024 20:54:29 GMT
TCW is like the sprinkles on the cake, yeah. It's not necessary, but it's a nice addition. Especially if you want to enjoy a large body of content outside the films that explores the galaxy, and that Lucas was involved in.
It sure was just what the doctor ordered for me about 9 years ago.
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