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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 7, 2021 19:54:55 GMT
The shot from Yoda's trial is achingly beautiful. Compare that to the shot I posted from the movie and you can see just how far the animation developed in 6 years.
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Post by mikeximus on Aug 8, 2021 6:32:16 GMT
Unpopular opinion incoming… so I apologize… I just was never a fan of the animation of TCW. For those of you that know such things. What type of animation is TCW called or derived from? If such a name for it exists. For example, the Clone Wars micro series was made by the sane guy that did Samurai Jack, so the animation for that Micro Series was very much like Samurai Jack. Is there an equivalent predecessor for TCW?
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 8, 2021 7:04:57 GMT
The Clone Wars style is directly inspired by the 1960s show Thunderbirds and other Gerry Anderson productions, which Lucas is a fan of.
When I first saw a few episodes of TCW I thought the human characters were a little too far down in the uncanny valley, giving me a bit of a bittersweet experience, but after learning they're supposed to have a Gerry Anderson look to them it didn't bother me.
With that said, the human characters do start to look better and better - less uncanny - as the seasons progress.
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Post by mikeximus on Aug 8, 2021 7:29:41 GMT
The Clone Wars style is directly inspired by the 1960s show Thunderbirds and other Gerry Anderson productions, which Lucas is a fan of. When I first saw a few episodes of TCW I thought the human characters were a little too far down in the uncanny valley, giving me a bit of a bittersweet experience, but after learning they're supposed to have a Gerry Anderson look to them it didn't bother me. With that said, the human characters do start to look better and better - less uncanny - as the seasons progress. Thanks! Very interesting bit of trivia. I never watched that show, all I know of it, is that it is some kind of puppeteering. I have seen others say the animation for TCW did get better as the seasons progressed. Admittedly I never took the time to notice. I’m more of a “traditional” type (if that’s even what it’s called) when it comes to animation. Like “Rebels” or “Avatar: The Last Airbender” is more my style, than the heavier CG looking animation.
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Post by Alexrd on Aug 8, 2021 22:10:44 GMT
The stylized designs of Tartakovsky and Rudish for the micro-series also served as one of the inspirations for the look of this series.
I've always been a fan of the stylized, wood-carved look. It doesn't age as fast. The animation itself improved over the years (more noticeable within season 1), but the style and design have remained consistent for the most part.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 9, 2021 13:49:46 GMT
Right, there's some noticeable carryover. Especially with Dooku's design. And I was so glad to see they kept Asajj, even though I thought she died in CW. Her character was developed so well in TCW. She gets overshadowed by Ahsoka a bit.
I'm a fan of the more traditional animation too. The cg look of TCW took me awhile to adapt to, particularly with the human characters, as I mentioned. But each episode is an astounding work of art when it comes to sets, world building, etc. it more than makes up for it. And the animation itself is impeccable, and the range of nuanced facial expressions they can get is very impressive.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 19, 2021 15:11:31 GMT
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jan 7, 2022 22:33:59 GMT
Rewatching The Clone Wars after getting introduced to The Book of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian, to see the evolution of Star Wars TV shows. Some things are clicking for me now that didn't before. I get the need to individualize the prominent clone characters. It's just the clones that are in close contact with the Jedi who develop more individuality, most of the background clones are still "shiny." And really the only major clone character we saw in the films, Cody, was unique, so the idea was there since RotS.
I also get that they jumped straight into the Anakin from the beginning of RotS, in terms of his characterization and voice. I guess that's fine since the micro-series already covered the ground right after AotC to his knighting. I still prefer Mat Lucas' Anakin to Matt Lanter's, though.
I'm still not a big fan of Ahsoka in this show. I get the idea to give Anakin a padawan, and the need for a female protagonist, since Padmé couldn't be around most of the time, but I just find her to be kind of in the way. I would have loved that unfinished Utapau arc with just Anakin and Obi-Wan on an adventure, which felt like the micro-series and the beginning of RotS.
I think this show has quite a bit of filler. Which is nice if you want to spend some extra time in the GFFA, but for a saga marathon, I will probably just watch the essential arcs that connect to the films (Mortis, Order 66, Sifo-Dyas, Yoda) and bookend them with the micro-series.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jan 7, 2022 23:42:30 GMT
The thing I have always liked about Ahsoka is that it is just so, so so, very sweet to watch her disobey Anakin in all of the ways Anakin disobeys Obi-Wan.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jan 8, 2022 6:52:01 GMT
The thing I have always liked about Ahsoka is that it is just so, so so, very sweet to watch her disobey Anakin in all of the ways Anakin disobeys Obi-Wan. That I liked also. Anakin being put in Obi-Wan's shoes is conducive to his growth. I just can't get behind her as a character in the show. I like her more in Rebels and especially The Mandalorian.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jan 12, 2022 15:31:18 GMT
I think giving Anakin a Padawan was brilliant. Along with helping him mature, it also allowed us to see aspects of him we wouldn't have been able to otherwise. SW: Can you talk about the inspiration behind Ahsoka and Ventress? Lucas: I wanted to develop a character that would help Anakin settle down, because... at the end of Episode II he was kind of a wild child. He and Obi-Wan don't get along. So the idea was to see how they become friends, how they become partners, you know, how they become a team. One of the ways to do that was, when you become a parent, when you become a teacher, you kind of have to become more responsible. It kind of forces you into this adulthood thing. So what I wanted to do was take Anakin and force him into this situation. "Now I have to teach somebody, and now I have to be slightly more responsible." And so it was a juxtaposition. I happen to have a couple of daughters, so I have a lot of experience with that particular situation, so I just said, "Rather than make it another guy, why don't we make her a girl?" Because that's fun and I have a lot of girls, and they're just as hard to deal with when they're teenagers as boys are. And just as importantly, we get to see him as a parent, so to speak, something he didn't get to do with Luke and Leia. And we got to see someone who cared about him besides his wife and master. It's just like SW to introduce a new prominent character with each new project. And it would've been remiss of them not to give Anakin a Padawan. One that would be a force unto herself and become beloved by many.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jan 12, 2022 16:40:26 GMT
I really like the artworks that put Ahsoka with Hayden Christensen's Anakin. They make it easier to imagine what she would be like in the films. Hopefully we get some flashbacks in her show to the Clone Wars that show her with Anakin as played by Hayden. That might solidify her place for me.
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Post by Gen on Mar 6, 2022 8:23:52 GMT
Is it true that Lucasfilm was producing TCW at a financial loss?
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Post by Alexrd on Mar 7, 2022 10:47:59 GMT
Is it true that Lucasfilm was producing TCW at a financial loss? No, but since it was a very expensive show, it was barely making money, and viewership on Cartoon Network was decreasing. Remember that this was before the streaming boom. The moment they put TCW on Netflix it got more views than it ever had in its entire run combined. If you're referring to something Lucas said, he was mostly talking about projects like Red Tails and Strange Magic.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Apr 26, 2022 10:20:38 GMT
I started a marathon to rewatch through the whole of The Clone Wars with the micro-series volume one and chapter one of the second volume where Anakin is knighted, then moving to The Clone Wars movie. I had only seen the movie once in theaters, and rewatching it surprised me. I remembered the animation being much rougher, but it is actually quite fluid. The story is nothing groundbreaking, but the battles are well done and it's fun to spend more time in the galaxy far away. Matt Lanter's voice didn't bother me as much. I noticed that his voice in the movie is lighter and more like Hayden's in AotC, which is fitting. Towards the end of the series, his voice gets lower like Hayden's in RotS, so I guess they did put some thought into matching the performances. Ahsoka I found much more tolerable this go around. I had forgotten the explanation for giving Anakin a padawan, and that Anakin was at first resistant to getting one. You have to watch the movie before the series, because it plants the seeds for their entire relationship. I had done the mistake of skipping the movie before when watching the series, because of its bad reputation, which I think is undeserved. It's a fun little adventure.
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Post by Alexrd on Apr 26, 2022 13:27:36 GMT
The movie is composed of four episodes bundled together. The first 25 minutes of the movie was a late production in Season 1, that's why it holds up better than rest of the feature, which are among the very first episodes produced.
And I agree that the reputation of the movie was undeserved. People judged it as the next cinematic Star Wars production instead of a Star Wars animated movie which was the pilot of a TV series. A lot of people unfortunately skip the movie out of genuine ignorance about its existence, since they Lucasfilm never bothered to promote it as the pilot that it is.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Apr 26, 2022 16:45:11 GMT
youtu.be/cwCefiGi-hgI've been watching using this radically different (but very logical) episode order, and I'm having a lot of fun. Can't stop watching it. I'm never like that with TV.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 8, 2022 0:48:18 GMT
youtu.be/cwCefiGi-hgI've been watching using this radically different (but very logical) episode order, and I'm having a lot of fun. Can't stop watching it. I'm never like that with TV.
I'm also doing that at the moment. I watched in episodic order last time around, and it sure is making a big difference. The first episode of the first season, for example, goes from flat to filled with context.
Every time I come back to this show, I'm immediately struck by how grown up much of the dialogue is, especially when it comes to the Clone troopers. I also love how the camera moves around, it doesn't have any of that dull immobility of your typical cartoon.
It's a very polished programme. The revival of Darth Maul did very little for me on my previous viewing, and his hotshot brother even less, let's see if I can change my mind. Unlike a lot of the fanboys, I really admired what Filoni was doing in the first two seasons. I always welcomed episodes involving Jar Jar, diplomacy and the Anakin-Padmé relationship.
I decided to let a podcast accompany my rewatch. Bad move! The one I ended up picking, mostly from its name, A More Civilised Age, ended up being a bunch of prequel-bashing smartasses. I might post the idiotic episodes in question to the debunking thread.
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Post by jppiper on Jun 8, 2022 1:16:47 GMT
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 8, 2022 4:44:58 GMT
youtu.be/cwCefiGi-hgI've been watching using this radically different (but very logical) episode order, and I'm having a lot of fun. Can't stop watching it. I'm never like that with TV.
I'm also doing that at the moment. I watched in episodic order last time around, and it sure is making a big difference. The first episode of the first season, for example, goes from flat to filled with context.
Every time I come back to this show, I'm immediately struck by how grown up much of the dialogue is, especially when it comes to the Clone troopers. I also love how the camera moves around, it doesn't have any of that dull immobility of your typical cartoon.
It's a very polished programme. The revival of Darth Maul did very little for me on my previous viewing, and his hotshot brother even less, let's see if I can change my mind. Unlike a lot of the fanboys, I really admired what Filoni was doing in the first two seasons. I always welcomed episodes involving Jar Jar, diplomacy and the Anakin-Padmé relationship.
I decided to let a podcast accompany my rewatch. Bad move! The one I ended up picking, mostly from its name, A More Civilised Age, ended up being a bunch of prequel-bashing smartasses. I might post the idiotic episodes in question to the debunking thread.
Star Wars fandom is mind-blowlingly disappointing. It's massively popular, and with no one to keep them out, the riffraff rule the roost. At least Juggalos have standards.
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