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Post by stampidhd280pro on Aug 21, 2023 7:09:02 GMT
I watched Rebels so I'm thinking about watching this. I still havent finished my Andorlorians tho
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 21, 2023 13:29:36 GMT
I watched Rebels so I'm thinking about watching this. I still havent finished my Andorlorians tho
You're in luck. It does seem like it's going to be a fifth season of Rebels.
I'm trying to keep an open-mind. While I don't like the Reblesness of it (the green character and the one with the short hair, which appear to make a trio), I do appreciate that Anakin is pretty much confirmed with the recent vocieover clip.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Aug 21, 2023 15:11:27 GMT
I forsee the franchise jumping the shark and going full Filoniverse. As if it hasn't already. Not that there's anything completely awful about that. Just, meh.
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Post by jppiper on Aug 22, 2023 1:21:13 GMT
I forsee the franchise jumping the shark and going full Filoniverse. As if it hasn't already. Not that there's anything completely awful about that. Just, meh. It already jumped the shark with the ST. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 23, 2023 0:35:05 GMT
We're getting very close to the release now and I think the lack of engagement in the run-up on this thread is telling. People are estranged from Disney Lucasfilm, Kenobi was the last straw for a lot of people, they've lost all passion for discussing the mythology.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 23, 2023 2:38:26 GMT
To save you watching, the predictions are: - Flashbacks to the Clone War era that include Anakin in his armoured uniform (they first made this one a few months ago, to be fair)
- The appearance of Clone Troopers in the present timeline
- The appearance of Bobba Fett and casting of Temura Morrison.
My own thoughts...
Would casting the now 20 something actor who played the child Bubba in Episode II not be more appropriate? Morrison, who did Jango Fett, would have to be de-aged considerably to play the character between III and IV. Paying too much attention to these age dynamics may be restrictive to the story though: think of how much better Christensen's Anakin as a force ghost in ROTJ is, despite oddly appearing young enough to be his own son's son. Also, we're going to have ageing gripes with McGregor as an older Kenobi no matter what.
The Clone Troopers are thought to have supposedly vanished sometimes after the proclamation of empire, and been quickly replaced by the Storm Troopers we see in the OT. Yet how and exactly why this happens has never been properly covered, beyond an obscure comic. I see no reason why an animation or a live-action series can't explore this footsoldier changeover in more depth, the wisdom from the comics is just too blunt and rushed. The presence of some clones by Vader's side in the early empire will really sell the connection to the prequels, being already demonstrated in the highly successfully fan film, Shards of the Past. Morrison will slot in nicely for any unhelmeted clone. A portrayal of Clones turning on Palpatine, before inevitably loosing and being discarded, would be cool, but I don't think its within the scope of a show like this.
No information about the possible inclusion of Ahsoka, Padmé or Palpatine. As significant as Ahsoka is to Anakin's storyline, given that this show primarily revolves around Obi-Wan, I cannot see her playing much of a part, if any. To be sure, she'll be referenced, which would certainly help bridge Lucas' prequels with his final hurrah in animation, but the relationship between her and Anakin has always been of more significance that her one with Obi-Wan, especially from TCW season 5. To address Anakin-Ahsoka, you'd have to look to another format, and it would seem that the newly announced Ahsoka TV show is begging for such. It'll be post-ROTJ, so at long last will be Anakin's debut as a talking ghost, which raises countless questions. Of all the main PT characters, Padmé receives the least attention when discussions thread on new shows or films. Lucasfilm have definitely made a start with the Queen's Shadow novel, which we should all commend, but at the fan level it is hard not to notice the apathy. Partly this is the inescapable fact that she died in ROTS, and that as a mere mortal she can't come back out of the blue like all the magical characters (which is starting to become comical if I may say), partly this may be the actresses own estrangement from Star Wars over the years, which differed from the always open, grateful attitude of Christensen, and has not helped endear fans. If, however, Shards of the Past proofed anything, it's that the inclusion of Padmé as a device for peering into Vader's new life does work. But if flashbacks to the Clone Wars era are on the cards, is it beyond the realms of possibilities that this series female director/show runner may want to explore the PT's most important female character? Let's not forget that Obi-Wan has taken it upon himself not only to raise Anakin's son, but also of Padmé's son. Though the Kenobi-Padmé relationship wouldn't be fully explored until TCW (there understandably wasn't the time in ROTS), it is hard not to overstate how important their friendship was, for it was upon that Anakin's paranoia and demented imagination was fuelled ("You turned her against me!), ultimately leading to the faithful duel.
Let's see how much of this we get in Ahsoka. We have Filoni manning to ship now, whose been in SW since the mid 2000s, its bound to be a different feel to the folks who did Kenobi.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 23, 2023 3:51:03 GMT
1st Episode: the most Lucasian (live action) Star Wars material I've seen since 2005.
It's good folks, please watch it. While Kenobi has my beloved characters, this has more soul.
It would make a fine replacement for an Episode VII. There's no spitting on the Maker's legacy as we got in that TFA recycled thrash.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 23, 2023 4:48:23 GMT
I think the show will make or break it depending on your view of the Sabine character. As I'd guessed from the trailer, she was going to play a major role, in fact you have a triad with the green Hera character (the girlboss one, which may well also annoy fans)
There's a lot of Rebels references made in this show. Maybe even too many, it does comes across like a live-action 5th season of that (again made obvious in the trailer).
I'm here for the Clone Wars references, the series where Ahsoka was introduced and became a integral part. I'm not aware that Ahsoka was a big deal in Rebels.
Sabine may well be the Reva for viewers. I'm not totally lost yet, but I do feel like it could go horribly wrong in the coming episodes. I really couldn't care less about Sabine, especially with that butch hairstyle.
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 24, 2023 4:01:33 GMT
I was not prepared for hot Sabine and hot Hera.
Also, I re-watched AOTC today and this series did many thematic reprisals from that movie, so that was a great double feature for me. This show is indeed very promising.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 24, 2023 20:10:36 GMT
I think most of us were very positive when the first two Kenobi episodes came out too. Then all the backlash slowly crept into the thread. I would be cautious.
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Post by jppiper on Aug 24, 2023 21:54:25 GMT
We're getting very close to the release now and I think the lack of engagement in the run-up on this thread is telling. People are estranged from Disney Lucasfilm, Kenobi was the last straw for a lot of people, they've lost all passion for discussing the mythology. The only way to win fans back is to retcon the ST which many hoped Filoni would do but it's just not the case with The Mandalorian Kenobi and BOBF setting up events in the ST (Like Luke's Jedi Temple why Leia named her son Ben how the NR is incompetent). |
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 25, 2023 1:02:45 GMT
Yeah, people are projecting their hopes for a Sequel retcon onto Filoni.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Aug 25, 2023 9:43:01 GMT
I tried to watch the first episode and it didn't really grab me. I think I'll have to rewatch Rebels before embarking on with this new series. Call on me when Anakin makes an appearance. Then I'll come running.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Aug 25, 2023 16:48:49 GMT
I watched it, and like a lot of Disney+ SW, it's really beautiful. The music is what makes it stand out for me. Kiner has captured the tones and rhythms of the film scores, but referenced some musical phrases gracefully and without outright lifting them. The cast are all great actors, and the dialog feels authentic. On the other hand, the story beats sound too familiar to TFA, where you find a map that leads to a lost Jedi. And the villains are a bit boring so far. Too human. Though, we eventually see Thawn. Hopefully he comes off as fully alien. Dont they have Cumberbatch playing him? That might help.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Aug 25, 2023 16:52:35 GMT
I would also say that watching all the Rebels series is a bit much unless you have a lot of time. You could read the cliffs notes version online and feel just fine. If you try to watch Rebels, you might get halfway through and realize you need to rewatch The Clone Wars, which would take up 2 more years of your life. By then, the Ahsoka show will be over.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Aug 25, 2023 17:11:01 GMT
You might be right, stampid. But I'm happy to watch Rebels again now that the full series is finally available here on Disney+. I think it's the finest Star Wars outing from Disney. But if you endorse this Ahsoka show, that is a big sign to me that it must be pretty good. You mention the villains being too human, which is what threw me off too. And what are they supposed to be, Dark Jedi? Are they bringing that back into canon now? Rosario Dawson was excellent as Ahsoka in the previous series, so I guess I'll try to watch it for her. She finally made me like Ahsoka. And I'm eagerly waiting for Anakin.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Aug 25, 2023 17:59:49 GMT
Give it space. Another glaring flaw from the outset, it's TOO SLOW. A lot of Sabine sitting around in her little hole with her cat.
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Post by Somny on Aug 25, 2023 18:43:01 GMT
Give it space. Another glaring flaw from the outset, it's TOO SLOW. A lot of Sabine sitting around in her little hole with her cat. I agree. A classic, oft-ridiculed direction to SW actors was clearly not in place in these two episodes. Perhaps deliberately so? |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Aug 25, 2023 18:44:30 GMT
Give it space. Another glaring flaw from the outset, it's TOO SLOW. A lot of Sabine sitting around in her little hole with her cat. I agree. A classic, oft-ridiculed direction to SW actors was clearly not in place in these two episodes. Perhaps deliberately so? its a TV show. Theyre filling time instead of restricting it. |
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Post by jppiper on Aug 25, 2023 19:16:50 GMT
I watched it, and like a lot of Disney+ SW, it's really beautiful. The music is what makes it stand out for me. Kiner has captured the tones and rhythms of the film scores, but referenced some musical phrases gracefully and without outright lifting them. The cast are all great actors, and the dialog feels authentic. On the other hand, the story beats sound too familiar to TFA, where you find a map that leads to a lost Jedi. And the villains are a bit boring so far. Too human. Though, we eventually see Thawn. Hopefully he comes off as fully alien. Dont they have Cumberbatch playing him? That might help. Lars Mikkelsen is playing Thrawn. |
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