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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 18, 2023 23:19:14 GMT
Really? I don't remember so much of a discussion of that then. Though you may be completely right. It seems like it's taken this live-action depiction of Ahsoka to make it really hit home for much of the audience. Anakin is pretty much 20, he is not a child, soldiers get recruited and can hit the battlefield at 18 in real life.
When Hayden talks of a "genuine recollection" with Dave is interesting. It may well be the first post-ROTJ version of Anakin, and not Ahsoka's subconscious after all.
Another prominent talking point after this episode, which Naberrie Fields members will be particularly aghast with. To be fair, the guy on the right does push bach when it comes to Episode III, though unfortunately - and so predictably - he has only an ill choice of words to describe its Anakin-Padmé scenes. You should rip them apart in the comments smittysgelato.
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Post by Somny on Sept 18, 2023 23:48:51 GMT
A poor man's Kenneth Branagh.  The man isn't long after passing. Barging in here like that isn't so respectful, Sommy, it's childish.
Stevenson was one of the leads on Rome, which is widely considered to be one the greatest television series of the 2000s (and a personal favourite of mine). In the last few films I saw him in, Branagh was awkwardly put pretending to be a non-native English speaker. You think those kind of roles makes a quality actor?! Stevenson's work is viewed by millions and will likely live on longer than most people you'll ever meet. His memory can take a casual ribbing... the generic white patriarchal figure that he is in Ahsoka. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 19, 2023 0:40:17 GMT
The man isn't long after passing. Barging in here like that isn't so respectful, Sommy, it's childish.
Stevenson was one of the leads on Rome, which is widely considered to be one the greatest television series of the 2000s (and a personal favourite of mine). In the last few films I saw him in, Branagh was awkwardly put pretending to be a non-native English speaker. You think those kind of roles makes a quality actor?! Stevenson's work is viewed by millions and will likely live on longer than most people you'll ever meet. His memory can take a casual ribbing... the generic white patriarchal figure that he is in Ahsoka.
You just don't get it, do you? You've jumped in the discussion with absolutely nothing to add only trite cynicism of a recently deceased actor. If you want to criticise the show, fine, there is nothing is stopping you, but make it more than two lines (ie not some Nelson hawhaw) and show some respect in the process.
As for "generic", you do realise the whole premise of Star Wars is the heroes journey, right? There's absolutely nothing new about that, it is all recycling. And honestly, get out of here that racialised BS. In a Galaxy of zillions of species, the shade of a human is utterly meaningless.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Sept 19, 2023 1:32:20 GMT
Totally off topic, but the Empire was almost explicitly a white male supremacist power. While the Rebels and the Republic era had like Wookiees and Queen Amidala and stuff.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 19, 2023 4:31:54 GMT
The big difference between Prequel Anakin and Ahsoka Anakin is the fact that he gets to show off his skills in a very manly and confident manner. This is a fully matured Anakin who has gone to hell and back. This isn't a young, petulant Anakin who is full of resentment against the Jedi for not recognizing his talent in a manner that is most pleasing to him. Therefore...most people will easily like this version of him more.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 19, 2023 4:43:16 GMT
Totally off topic, but the Empire was almost explicitly a white male supremacist power. While the Rebels and the Republic era had like Wookiees and Queen Amidala and stuff. I always thought that was more a reflection of the times the movies were made in. Leia and Mon Mothma are basically the only female rebels (In the OT movies) if I recall, right? Now, when it comes to aliens, the Empire clearly prefers humans, lol. In other news, to quote Grand Moff Tarkin, this bickering is pointless because both Kenneth Branagh and Ray Stevenson are fucking awesome. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 19, 2023 18:39:49 GMT
However, we can't forget that the Empire denigrates the feminine in many ways. So, it makes sense that the Rebels have Leia in their ranks. So the Empire being so male-dominated is a combination of the times the movies were made in and thematic reasons.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Sept 23, 2023 12:46:35 GMT
This topic sure seems like it's headed nowhere. Kinda like this show. Okay, there was an inexplicable Anakin episode, now they finally find Thrawn and Ezra... So what?
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 23, 2023 18:37:49 GMT
This topic sure seems like it's headed nowhere. Kinda like this show. Okay, there was an inexplicable Anakin episode, now they finally find Thrawn and Ezra... So what? I don't get why you think the show is headed nowhere. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Sept 23, 2023 22:04:18 GMT
Well, barely anything has happened yet. Same with 3/4 seasons of Mandalorian.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 23, 2023 23:06:56 GMT
Well here are the major plot progressions that have happened so far, so it seems like stuff has indeed happened:
1. Ahsoka uncovers a plot to bring Thrawn out of exile.
2. Ahsoka takes Sabine back on as a Padawan.
3. Ahsoka loses the fight with Baylan Skoll and Sabine decides to go with Baylan to the other galaxy.
4. Ahsoka finishes her training with Anakin and follows Sabine to the other galaxy.
5. Sabine finds Ezra.
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Post by Somny on Sept 24, 2023 5:14:23 GMT
This topic sure seems like it's headed nowhere. Kinda like this show. Okay, there was an inexplicable Anakin episode, now they finally find Thrawn and Ezra... So what? Storytelling malaise. It seems like everyone's offering the primordial campfire experience these days. Lucas wanted to temporarily try his hand at classic, status quo Hollywood filmmaking. He got sucked into it and it became his legacy. I can appreciate that after spending some time with the likes of Reggio, Coppola (maybe less so here) and pre-SW Lucas in your viewing order thread, this whole studio filmmaking schtick can turn rather tiresome. It's worn on me too. How many times can we stand villains with vaguely justified world (or universe) dominating plans? To name one symptom.  |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Sept 24, 2023 8:07:21 GMT
You know, that's exactly my expectation with Star Wars, but there are ways to do variations on these themes. I'll paste one of my recent TFN posts. Sorry, I'd be posting more here, but the conversations have been moving so slowly:
There are a lot of good things about all of these new shows, but speaking about all the Star Wars on D+, or Disney Star Wars in general, if not all of Star Wars since Return of the Jedi: where is the story going? What has actually happened? The prequel trilogy really just set up the story told in the originals. Since then, it's all been filling up gaps and introducing new characters, whose stories, just go on, with no conclusion in sight. Ahsoka's story has spanned two animated series and so far one season of a live action show. Even if this series and other projects end up tying some of these loose ends and connecting them to the sequel trilogy, we already know how that story ends, and it's basically the same ending as Return of the Jedi, with the Emperor defeated and the rebellion celebrating in the woods. Yes, this may be the most live action Star Wars we've ever been treated to, but it's like, sure, you get to keep playing the game and come back and do all these side missions, but once you beat it most of the thrill is gone. Even with the prequels, I was motivated by the idea that the story would go somewhere. And while we all knew the ultimate outcome, it succeeded in subverting expectations and making people think. I had to trust George Lucas had some kind of intention. With all these new shows and unfinished storylines (even TROS is getting an epilogue, supposedly), and nearing ten years of Disney Star Wars, for the first time as a fan, I'm beginning to feel like nobody knows where we are, or where we're going. We could be going in circles, and part of me would be like, yes! I hope this ride never ends! But really, I'd be lost in the same sandbox I've been playing with since I taped the originals off the USA network, during Christmastime of '94.
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Post by jppiper on Sept 24, 2023 15:51:26 GMT
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Post by Somny on Sept 25, 2023 0:51:23 GMT
Even with the prequels, I was motivated by the idea that the story would go somewhere. And while we all knew the ultimate outcome, it succeeded in subverting expectations and making people think. I had to trust George Lucas had some kind of intention. True. Despite the world domination sickness at play in the PT, at least the evil wizardly perpetrator reveals his motivation as springing from a desire for "peace"... in a movie series called Star Wars! A brilliant awareness and subversion of the cliche. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Sept 25, 2023 3:04:42 GMT
Even just seeing the Jedi leading stormtroopers, for fans of the original movies, was such a mindfuck.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 28, 2023 5:22:46 GMT
I re-watched Ep. 7 tonight. On the first viewing, I was like yeah, this is basically just action filler. On the second viewing, I think that is mostly right, but there are at least three plot points: Hera and Leia convince The New Republic to get their shit together, Ahsoka arrives, and Ahsoka re-united with Sabine and Ezra. But yeah, the ratio of action vs. story weighs heavily towards action. That being said, it was entertaining action.
Senator Xiono reminds me of the bureaucrats that were on the payroll of the Trade Federation. That guy is TOTALLY in Moff Gideon's pocket, no question!
I especially liked Thrawn's reaction to Ahsoka being Anakin's apprentice. His reaction SCREAMED: "THIS is the ONLY relevant piece of information about this person!" xD I agree, Thrawn, I agree, THAT IS THE KEY piece of information on Ahsoka, indeed!
Circling the wagons Western style was great.
Baylan is being as cryptic as ever with his agenda. He is one mysterious cat. They better give us SOMETHING in regards to what he is up to before the season ends.
Ahsoka's samurai-style robes and stances are just completely FLY in my opinion. That woman has STYLE. I'm actually surprised she didn't wind up crash landing her ship Anakin-style, but her dismount was pretty sick.
We also see that Ezra has not ceased being a total dork in his exile. Not surprised, really, lol. I like that he fights without a lightsaber, that was something a little different for a Jedi.
At this point, I am ready for all the things to happen next week.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 30, 2023 0:40:20 GMT
Here's my video about Ahsoka, Episode 5. I don't know if I got beyond a "Thank You, Captain Obvious" level of analysis here, but I will let you all be the judge of that.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Oct 4, 2023 12:27:30 GMT
Final shot of Ahoska was like a big F-U to the ending of TROS. Loved that  |
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 4, 2023 19:09:27 GMT
Welp, my video was kinda right, kinda not lol. I will right some more in depth thoughts about the finale later.
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