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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 14, 2023 22:52:05 GMT
Now I see people are using the idea of a Clone Wars era live-action movie or series as yet another attempt to "correct" the Prequels and "do what the Prequels should have done in the first place," that is, focus more on the Clone Wars. Sometimes I just want the aliens to come and beam me off of this God-forsaken rock. Take me to an alien civilization where the Prequels are exalted and held sacred as they deserve to be.
Wait...
This forum already beamed me up to such a civilization! Neat! We ARE on Naboo!
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 15, 2023 5:04:12 GMT
Guys, do you think it makes sense for me to watch episode 5 only? I don't care for Ahsoka very much and have never been into TCW, let alone Rebels, and all those cartoon characters. But, the Anakin scenes intrigue me... yeah if you just want to watch the Anakin part that would work on its own i think, no worse than avid fans who still dont quite understand what the point was.
Any Ahsoka based live-action show was bound to have some involvement of Anakin. Her backstory is of being Anakin's padowan, as sanctioned by the Maker himself, which is a pretty big deal when you think of it. By showing her relationship with Anakin, the causal audience can quickly go from "Who the f*ck is this?!" to "Ahhhhhhh...".
As to whether we actually saw Anakin, or if it was something else, well, my guess is as good as yours.  |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 15, 2023 5:40:53 GMT
Now I see people are using the idea of a Clone Wars era live-action movie or series as yet another attempt to "correct" the Prequels and "do what the Prequels should have done in the first place," that is, focus more on the Clone Wars. Sometimes I just want the aliens to come and beam me off of this God-forsaken rock. Take me to an alien civilization where the Prequels are exalted and held sacred as they deserve to be.
Yeah, Kristian Harloff here is fairly guilty of that, in the sense of Hayden "redeeming himself" in this episode. Nevertheless, it's a warm, positive discussion, and his guest does push back at the suggestion of a need for redemption.
It should be noted that the first act of Episode III is literally the Clone Wars, with the Battle of Coruscant being its last major military conflict. There was little time for any more because they had to sort out all the political events that would lead to Palpatine's self soup and proclamation of empire. They also had to deal with all the unravelling character relationships: Anakin and his master, Anakin and the Jedi Council, Anakin and his wife; and vice-versa, the growing relationship between Anakin and his new master.
I thought it was far more interesting that Lucas chose to show us how the dictatorship (the Galactic Empire) originated, then plunge us into a war without any context. If we'd had the latter, we'd presumably have had even less focus on Padmé, and that surely wouldn't have been good, would it? I'm still of the opinion that Padmé is widely overlooked in the mythology, with some of this, let's be honest, having to do with the fact that she doesn't neatly fit into the girlboss trope that's all the rage these days.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Sept 15, 2023 8:24:31 GMT
Guys, do you think it makes sense for me to watch episode 5 only? I don't care for Ahsoka very much and have never been into TCW, let alone Rebels, and all those cartoon characters. But, the Anakin scenes intrigue me... I liked Rebels, and I'm still guilty of skipping the non-Anakin parts in this episode. I think the Anakin stuff works as a standalone that kind of remedies the sad fact that he wasn't seen in the Disney sequel trilogy. It's a treat to any prequel fan. I really want a live action Clone Wars show or movie with Hayden and Ewan, now that they are both properly back in the fold. Have Lucas direct and/or write it, and I would be one happy camper. Imagine if they did the unfinished TCW arcs in live action. The Utapau arc would be incredible with Hayden and Ewan. That would be the dream. I've been very big into the idea ever since the revived 7th Season of TCW came out, which disappointed me in its brief 12 episode run (normally 20+) and lack of screentime for Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padmé. It was very Ahsoka focused and the fans jumped for joy. With so many random ass shows, that nobody asked for, like Book of Bobba Fett and Skeleton Crew, surely a Clone Wars adaption isn't too much to ask for? People enjoy this era, it is by far the most interesting in my own opinion. The idea seems to be picking up momentum online now, let's hope the pressure on Lucasfilm only builds from here on. I don't think we can really count any more Clone War era flashbacks from Ahsoka. They're hardly going to spend another episode in the WBW, they've not even introduced their big baddie Thrawn yet, and there's only three episodes left. While I wish we could get more, I have to admit we've been treated thus far. But is this the end of Anakin in the series? I think there must surely be more of him in store, as a Force Ghost.
Yeah, I wasn't very interested in the episodes they ended up with in the seventh season of TCW for that very reason. I don't really dislike the character all together, but I'm just not a big Ahsoka fan. I was excited for some adventures with just Anakin and Obi-Wan, like the Utapau arc. The fan response to Anakin's appearance in this show has been tremendous, and hopefully Disney takes a hint. This could end up like Ahsoka's appearances in Mandalorian and Boba Fett, from which she sprung to her own series. |
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Post by jppiper on Sept 15, 2023 9:52:56 GMT
Now I see people are using the idea of a Clone Wars era live-action movie or series as yet another attempt to "correct" the Prequels and "do what the Prequels should have done in the first place," that is, focus more on the Clone Wars. Sometimes I just want the aliens to come and beam me off of this God-forsaken rock. Take me to an alien civilization where the Prequels are exalted and held sacred as they deserve to be. Wait... This forum already beamed me up to such a civilization! Neat! We ARE on Naboo! Case in point the whiny fans on Saltier than Crait complained that 23 was too young an age for Anakin to become Darth Vader along with the whole he should have been older in TPM BS. |
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Post by jppiper on Sept 15, 2023 11:24:07 GMT
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 15, 2023 19:10:26 GMT
Let's not get our hopes up too much, but I'm still going to post this... |
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 15, 2023 19:13:29 GMT
Yeah, she isn't a Jedi so you can't stick her into the action in the same way as many of the other characters. Plus she has the traditional tragic romance angle and role as a mother.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 15, 2023 20:00:37 GMT
Yeah, she isn't a Jedi so you can't stick her into the action in the same way as many of the other characters. Plus she has the traditional tragic romance angle and role as a mother.
And TCW, people don't seem to acknowledge, was much more action-orientated than the PT even was. While you could get away with being a non-combatant politician in the films, in the animation you were going to be left behind. That's why I think they felt under pressure to shove Padmé into as many of the action sequences as they could, they knew they couldn't fit her in otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I adored TCW as much anybody else, but I think it could have reached even greater heights if they allowed themselves more drama-intensive, conversation scenes. I guess that's animation for you, it prioritises spectacular action, making it a good fit for a war era.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 15, 2023 23:08:10 GMT
"Listen, I'm teaching you how to lead, how to survive"
The way Hayden acts that, it reminded me very much of the arguments Anakin gets into with Padmé during Episode III. Think of the scene on the sofa at her apartment, in particular, where Anakin says "I'm doing this to protect you." So I don't really understand all these "He's channelling Matt Lanter" comments. Hayden's voice is deeper, for sure, but beyond that I don't notice a massive change in his portrayal.
"You know, teaching isn't all its cracked up to be"
As for bantering, do people not remember the first act of Revenge of the Sith? That's technically the Clone Wars era and we see him make plenty of jokes to Obi-Wan there, much to the latter's annoyance. And as for the even more castigated Anakin of Attack of the Clones, did he not play dead with Padmé on the fields of Naboo, an image of which we see in this very forum? He could be a joker when he wanted to be, and would tease Snips too, but in a more older brother manner.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Sept 16, 2023 8:57:39 GMT
While the portrayal from TCW certainly influenced some of the flashback scene, I thought Hayden perfectly recaptured Anakin in his more eased moments from the PT. Mostly we saw Anakin be more relaxed when he was doing what he loved most, which was flying, such as the whole speeder chase in AotC, and the Battle over Coruscant in RotS. Anakin made jokes during the former scene, to which Obi-Wan even commented that he practiced his wit a lot. And as for Anakin's voice being deeper, he had moments in the PT where he lowered his voice when he was more confident and assertive.
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Post by Samnz on Sept 16, 2023 12:37:21 GMT
While the portrayal from TCW certainly influenced some of the flashback scene, I thought Hayden perfectly recaptured Anakin in his more eased moments from the PT. Mostly we saw Anakin be more relaxed when he was doing what he loved most, which was flying, such as the whole speeder chase in AotC, and the Battle over Coruscant in RotS. Anakin made jokes during the former scene, to which Obi-Wan even commented that he practiced his wit a lot. And as for Anakin's voice being deeper, he had moments in the PT where he lowered his voice when he was more confident and assertive. "I am going to end this war." comes to mind. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 16, 2023 16:03:40 GMT
While the portrayal from TCW certainly influenced some of the flashback scene, I thought Hayden perfectly recaptured Anakin in his more eased moments from the PT. Mostly we saw Anakin be more relaxed when he was doing what he loved most, which was flying, such as the whole speeder chase in AotC, and the Battle over Coruscant in RotS. Anakin made jokes during the former scene, to which Obi-Wan even commented that he practiced his wit a lot. And as for Anakin's voice being deeper, he had moments in the PT where he lowered his voice when he was more confident and assertive.
Yes, the speeder chase in Episode II is another good example. He was a joker in that sequence more than any other one.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 16, 2023 22:55:58 GMT
Today I finished Draft II of my Ahsoka video. It is good enough to go with so tomorrow I will proofread it and polish it up so that I can get to recording it. I don't think I will have this done by the time 6th episode is available, but hopefully before the seventh episode.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 17, 2023 1:42:10 GMT
Today I finished Draft II of my Ahsoka video. It is good enough to go with so tomorrow I will proofread it and polish it up so that I can get to recording it. I don't think I will have this done by the time 6th episode is available, but hopefully before the seventh episode.
Aren't you going to need to use video footage, as well? That's going to take more time.
I'm really enjoying reading, and listening, to the various interpenetrations of the force netherworld scenes (or World between Worlds, officially). You know one has spawned a good discussion when the audience can't quite nail down what Anakin is trying to teach.
Though I've never been able to make my mind up on what Force Ghost Anakin should say, I do have to nod my head in agreement at the ethereal way Disney presented the character in this realm, leaving Ahsoka on a hopeful note before mysteriously vanishing.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 17, 2023 2:09:22 GMT
Yeah, the video editing portion is where progress will slow. It took me 2 months to record and edit the video essay. This one should be faster because it will be shorter and there are errors I made last time that I know to avoid this time. But how much faster, I don't know for sure.
As for the lesson, I think it is fairly simple, something she already knew but she took her eyes off the ball so to speak.
I don't go too much into crazy fan theory territory. One theory is saying Anakin has taken over the role of The Father from Mortis (keeping the balance). Another is that it isn't really Anakin, just the Force intervening. I'm not too interested in wild theorizing though, honestly.
I'm trying to keep my commentary fairly straightforward. Hopefully it won't be boring or too much stating the obvious haha.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 17, 2023 3:51:59 GMT
It'll be very interesting to see if the show will capture the first meeting between Ahsoka and Luke. It will have to be awkward to come degree: Luke intends to make resurrecting the Jedi Order is life's mission, while Ahsoka clings tightly to her status as an ex-Jedi.
People say Ahsoka and Luke will be BFFs, but when you look beyond the surface, I'm not so certain. I've sure we've all had the life experience where you expected to bond and get on really well with this new person, because of matching CVs and whatnot, only for you to have no chemistry whatsoever.
I feel like if I was to make a Star Wars analysis channel smittysgelato , my first one would be on the bipolar relationship that exists between much of today's audience and Yoda. These people, who never spare an opportunity to take a dump on the Jedi Order, don't seem to realise that Yoda is effectively the leader of said institution, and rarely name and shame him for his part in its demise or Anakin's turning. Instead, by the time it comes to Episode V, they drop their guard and cosy up to the character like he was a teddy bear who could do no wrong. Though Mace Windu is also culpable, it is desperately unfair that he is the one who has to absorb all the criticism. Cast your mind back to what Yoda told 10 year old Anakin in Episode I.
I caught an eye-catching thumbnail on YouTube some weeks back with the sensational title "Chopper: murderous, psychopathic, war criminal". I think I would go for a similar vibe on a video on Yoda. I mean, he talks about all these vague allusions to failure to Luke in TLJ, without the slightest admittance of his own major slip-ups. It's like one of those politicians on the election campaign, totally obscuring the skeletons in his own closet whilst giving platitudes.
When people talk of "Jedi Order", I want to hear them start naming names. Or else they can shut up about their invisible punchbag.
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Post by jppiper on Sept 17, 2023 3:56:11 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 17, 2023 4:38:04 GMT
It'll be very interesting to see if the show will capture the first meeting between Ahsoka and Luke. It will have to be awkward to come degree: Luke intends to make resurrecting the Jedi Order is life's mission, while Ahsoka clings tightly to her status as an ex-Jedi.
People say Ahsoka and Luke will be BFFs, but when you look beyond the surface, I'm not so certain. I've sure we've all had the life experience where you expected to bond and get on really well with this new person, because of matching CVs and whatnot, only for you to have no chemistry whatsoever.
I feel like if I was to make a Star Wars analysis channel smittysgelato , my first one would be on the bipolar relationship that exists between much of today's audience and Yoda. These people, who never spare an opportunity to take a dump on the Jedi Order, don't seem to realise that Yoda is effectively the leader of said institution, and rarely name and shame him for his part in its demise or Anakin's turning. Instead, by the time it comes to Episode V, they drop their guard and cosy up to the character like he was a teddy bear who could do no wrong. Though Mace Windu is also culpable, it is desperately unfair that he is the one who has to absorb all the criticism. Cast your mind back to what Yoda told 10 year old Anakin in Episode I.
I caught an eye-catching thumbnail on YouTube some weeks back with the sensational title "Chopper: murderous, psychopathic, war criminal". I think I would go for a similar vibe on a video on Yoda. I mean, he talks about all these vague allusions to failure to Luke in TLJ, without the slightest admittance of his own major slip-ups. It's like one of those politicians on the election campaign, totally obscuring the skeletons in his own closet whilst giving platitudes.
When people talk of "Jedi Order", I want to hear them start naming names. Or else they can shut up about their invisible punchbag.
Yeah, analyizing an audience's relationship with a series/movie/game etc. is a whole different level that you can get into. Sometimes I think my preoccupations with Star Wars aren't really going to be what a large audience is going to be into but I can't help myself because I love those aspects of the series so much. I am not even sure a large audience will understand me but what can you do? I totally cuddle up to Yoda all the time, but yeah, the leaders of the Jedi f'd up big time by not pushing more for diplomacy instead of jumping on board with going to war. Padme is the REAL Jedi it seems! A funny side note: I was re-watching Episode 5 today. You gotta love Captain Carson, played by Canadian Paul Sun-Hyung Lee. He has such a Canadian moment in this episode. You can tell he is Canadian because he is SO POLITE when telling Fleet Command to fuck off. Just so you know, THAT'S what it looks like when a Canadian tells you off. xD |
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Post by jppiper on Sept 17, 2023 5:50:27 GMT
It'll be very interesting to see if the show will capture the first meeting between Ahsoka and Luke. It will have to be awkward to come degree: Luke intends to make resurrecting the Jedi Order is life's mission, while Ahsoka clings tightly to her status as an ex-Jedi.
People say Ahsoka and Luke will be BFFs, but when you look beyond the surface, I'm not so certain. I've sure we've all had the life experience where you expected to bond and get on really well with this new person, because of matching CVs and whatnot, only for you to have no chemistry whatsoever.
I feel like if I was to make a Star Wars analysis channel smittysgelato , my first one would be on the bipolar relationship that exists between much of today's audience and Yoda. These people, who never spare an opportunity to take a dump on the Jedi Order, don't seem to realise that Yoda is effectively the leader of said institution, and rarely name and shame him for his part in its demise or Anakin's turning. Instead, by the time it comes to Episode V, they drop their guard and cosy up to the character like he was a teddy bear who could do no wrong. Though Mace Windu is also culpable, it is desperately unfair that he is the one who has to absorb all the criticism. Cast your mind back to what Yoda told 10 year old Anakin in Episode I.
I caught an eye-catching thumbnail on YouTube some weeks back with the sensational title "Chopper: murderous, psychopathic, war criminal". I think I would go for a similar vibe on a video on Yoda. I mean, he talks about all these vague allusions to failure to Luke in TLJ, without the slightest admittance of his own major slip-ups. It's like one of those politicians on the election campaign, totally obscuring the skeletons in his own closet whilst giving platitudes.
When people talk of "Jedi Order", I want to hear them start naming names. Or else they can shut up about their invisible punchbag.
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