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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 13, 2023 4:49:57 GMT
I had a looooot of concerns about how the de-aging of Christensen would work out after what we got at the very end of last week. But this folks, this just knocked it out of the park, I couldn't haven't pictured Anakin looking any more authentic in these flashbacky scenes:  |
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 13, 2023 4:50:54 GMT
It is insane how the de-aging jumped in quality from the last episode to this one. Way more effort was invested in this one I guess.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 13, 2023 5:08:23 GMT
It is insane how the de-aging jumped in quality from the last episode to this one. Way more effort was invested in this one I guess.
Anakin is still very pasty (incorrect white balance) in the World Between Worlds scenes, there's an Adams Family vibe about him, he does look rather disturbed and haughty. Remember that Lucas tanned him up - makeup and lighting etc - in Episode II, and to a degree in Episode III as well, so this feels off, putting aside the whole ageing/de-aging topic. I'm left guessing that Filoni has presented Anakin in this unusual way on purpose, to give him some kind of ethereal quality that's also distinct from what one sees in a Force Ghost.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 13, 2023 5:11:33 GMT
I am actually wondering if we are going to see Force Ghost Anakin towards the end of the season.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 13, 2023 5:53:14 GMT
I am actually wondering if we are going to see Force Ghost Anakin towards the end of the season.
Hard to say. But you damn well know we'll be getting more of this:
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Sept 13, 2023 8:19:16 GMT
Hopefully we get that Force Ghost Anakin, as well as flashbacks to the Clone Wars. I wonder how they would do it, though. Slightly deage Hayden and cast someone else as young Ahsoka? Or perhaps do a digital Ahsoka like that Togruta youngling in AotC. Either way, this show is my second most anticipated thing from Disney Star Wars after Obi's series. The prospect of seeing something like these images is very exciting.   Yeah, that was good. I got what I wanted. I had been fantasizing about a live action Clone Wars scene with Hayden like these images for a long time. Everything about the Anakin scenes was near perfection. The lightsaber choreography was excellent unlike in some other Disney SW content, reminding me of the prequels. Hayden is as good as ever with a lightsaber, and Dawson wasn't bad either. Hayden looked really good as Anakin, especially in the Clone Wars scene. That slightly shorter hair style was really cool. My only gripe is that the clone troopers were guys in costumes that looked too plastic and inhibited their movement. I just really like CGI clones. I thought the costumed clones looked better in the Obi-Wan series flashback. |
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Post by jtn90 on Sept 13, 2023 9:31:26 GMT
Hayden was great in this episode, and I'm glad people finally gives him the respect he deserves. Is sad there is still people who see this as proof that "he was just given a poor script and direction in the prequels", I think that undermines my enjoyment of this a bit, I don't want to spread negativity here, but can't keep my mouth shut ith this,because there is still prequel hate,it just evolved.
BVack to the episode Honestly it left me wanting more of Anakin trying to make amends or atleast closure with people he made suffer, like in legends when he made amends with Leia.
I think the idea of exploring another galaxy apart could be the right direction to see something fresh,the closest we had were the Yuuzhan vong
,and made me notice that the people on the Star Wars galaxy doesn't care about space exploration. but lets ait to see how they handle it.
I'm glad the rumors about recreating the battle of mustafar with Ashoka instead of Obi Wan weren't true(for now) because that would undermine the importance of Obi Wan and the uniqueness of Revenge of the Sith.
Speaking of Obi Wan I would have like to see here,but i gess they couldn't find anything to him to do and I prefer a substancial role like Anakin over just a fanservice cameo like Rex.
By the way is no one gonna metion,that Ashoka became Gandalf the white?
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 13, 2023 19:10:23 GMT
jtn90Yup, I saw that same sentiment going around the internet last night too. It doesn't make me like this less, it just makes me roll my eyes. I wonder if this rumour got started as a result of the fact she does fight Young Sith Anakin, and then disarms him? So someone may have interpreted this as "she would have defeated him on Mustafar." She was totally salted by the white dove of the alchemists.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 13, 2023 22:04:21 GMT
Is sad there is still people who see this as proof that "he was just given a poor script and direction in the prequels", I think that undermines my enjoyment of this a bit, I don't want to spread negativity here, but can't keep my mouth shut ith this,because there is still prequel hate,it just evolved.
I haven't seen any of this so far with regards Ahsoka. I did, however, notice it with Kenobi, and it got a few on the forum here irked alright. I'd be mindful of not falling prey to the "my enemies like it, therefore I must reject it" mentality. Ignore the prequel bashers and make up your own mind independently.
Hayden Christensen isn't any Al Pacino, he may not be the world's best actor, but sure as hell has always played Anakin wonderfully, and that's all we need.
To be honest, I'd save your anger for the hack writers saying "Star Wars can't escape its own nostalgia". These were the same people who were falling over themselves applauding TFA in 2015.  |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 14, 2023 1:12:21 GMT
One has to commend this episode for how well it conveyed the sense of brutality, desperation and utter chaos that was the Clone Wars era. I don't care what the Rogue One fans say (and they are a loud bunch), war has never been better captured in Star Wars than in TCW and now in this live-action version. Only there are themes of infantry brotherhood and the fog of war so embedded.
I don't know if it was the music, the way it was edited, or shot, but these Clone Wars flashbacks show you just how frail and vulnerable even the Jedi Generals were too. It is no longer a whack-a-mole routine, everything appears so much more raw, visceral and unrelenting.
You do get the feeling that Anakin is even enjoying some of this. And it is chilling. Nothing impacts the human psyche like war does.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 14, 2023 4:20:23 GMT
The fog adds to the overall goal as well, Ahsoka being able to see through her own uncertainty. I am actually thinking of trying my hand at making a quick video about this episode (because I love it that much) that I can have up by next week. (A big challenge for me to get it done that quick!).
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Sept 14, 2023 6:59:53 GMT
I really want a live action Clone Wars show or movie with Hayden and Ewan, now that they are both properly back in the fold. Have Lucas direct and/or write it, and I would be one happy camper. Imagine if they did the unfinished TCW arcs in live action. The Utapau arc would be incredible with Hayden and Ewan.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 14, 2023 16:02:22 GMT
I really want a live action Clone Wars show or movie with Hayden and Ewan, now that they are both properly back in the fold. Have Lucas direct and/or write it, and I would be one happy camper. Imagine if they did the unfinished TCW arcs in live action. The Utapau arc would be incredible with Hayden and Ewan.
That would be the dream. I've been very big into the idea ever since the revived 7th Season of TCW came out, which disappointed me in its brief 12 episode run (normally 20+) and lack of screentime for Anakin, Obi-Wan and Padmé. It was very Ahsoka focused and the fans jumped for joy.
With so many random ass shows, that nobody asked for, like Book of Bobba Fett and Skeleton Crew, surely a Clone Wars adaption isn't too much to ask for? People enjoy this era, it is by far the most interesting in my own opinion. The idea seems to be picking up momentum online now, let's hope the pressure on Lucasfilm only builds from here on.
I don't think we can really count any more Clone War era flashbacks from Ahsoka. They're hardly going to spend another episode in the WBW, they've not even introduced their big baddie Thrawn yet, and there's only three episodes left. While I wish we could get more, I have to admit we've been treated thus far.
But is this the end of Anakin in the series? I think there must surely be more of him in store, as a Force Ghost.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 14, 2023 18:55:58 GMT
The fog adds to the overall goal as well, Ahsoka being able to see through her own uncertainty. I am actually thinking of trying my hand at making a quick video about this episode (because I love it that much) that I can have up by next week. (A big challenge for me to get it done that quick!).
Oh man, I think we'll be studying this episode for months if not years to come. There's an immense amount to decipher, and its so mysterious, so otherworldly in its construction. Do you interpret this Anakin within the context of the character we see in TCW, the Prequel era altogether, or his entire life of which half was spent as a Sith Lord? Each one presents you with new perspectives. Heck, is this even Anakin at all, is it some figment Ahsoka's memory/imagination, or could it be the Force itself? So many conundrums! And if it was Anakin, was he trying to impart a lesson to her? If so, what?
While your doing a video you might want to mention the Anakin line "There's always a price to be paid". He said that one in a uber Canadian accent, did he not?  |
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Post by Samnz on Sept 14, 2023 19:04:46 GMT
Guys, do you think it makes sense for me to watch episode 5 only? I don't care for Ahsoka very much and have never been into TCW, let alone Rebels, and all those cartoon characters. But, the Anakin scenes intrigue me...
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Sept 14, 2023 20:19:06 GMT
Guys, do you think it makes sense for me to watch episode 5 only? I don't care for Ahsoka very much and have never been into TCW, let alone Rebels, and all those cartoon characters. But, the Anakin scenes intrigue me... yeah if you just want to watch the Anakin part that would work on its own i think, no worse than avid fans who still dont quite understand what the point was. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 14, 2023 20:27:52 GMT
The fog adds to the overall goal as well, Ahsoka being able to see through her own uncertainty. I am actually thinking of trying my hand at making a quick video about this episode (because I love it that much) that I can have up by next week. (A big challenge for me to get it done that quick!).
Oh man, I think we'll be studying this episode for months if not years to come. There's an immense amount to decipher, and its so mysterious, so otherworldly in its construction. Do you interpret this Anakin within the context of the character we see in TCW, the Prequel era altogether, or his entire life of which half was spent as a Sith Lord? Each one presents you with new perspectives. Heck, is this even Anakin at all, is it some figment Ahsoka's memory/imagination, or could it be the Force itself? So many conundrums! And if it was Anakin, was he trying to impart a lesson to her? If so, what?
While your doing a video you might want to mention the Anakin line "There's always a price to be paid". He said that one in a uber Canadian accent, did he not? My short answer is yes, it is Anakin and yes he is trying to teach her something. His teaching method isn't unlike that of the Clone Wars Episode, The Gathering, in which Yoda and Ahsoka tell the Younglings that if they get trapped in the cave they can't get out until the next day. This isn't true, because the point of the lesson is to see through the illusion. The ice blocking the entrance is a false barrier. Here, Anakin gives her a choice to live or die, which sounds like: kill or be killed. But what it really means is, "be compassionate, which is the source of spiritual life, to kill is to experience spiritual death." She has to sus out what he is really getting at, and he messes with her by going Sith mode (a reflection of her own fear that she will inherit his legacy of death and war). This is why he gets upset with her when she doesn't get it at first when he tells her, "You're more than death and war because I'm more than that" (lots of people like to reduce Anakin to his crimes). She has to see through, or cut through her own fear. So Anakin is very much Anakin, but he is playing a role in Ahsoka's inner drama. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 14, 2023 20:37:46 GMT
I honestly didn't notice. I guess Canadian accents are invisible to me. Unless it is a Newfoundland accent. Those REALLY stick out.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 14, 2023 21:56:46 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 14, 2023 22:41:17 GMT
Well, I just finished a very messy first draft of a video script for Ahsoka Ep 5. I will attempt a rewrite tomorrow and see what happens.
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