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Post by jppiper on Oct 30, 2021 20:50:03 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Nov 3, 2021 17:14:58 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 4, 2021 17:19:18 GMT
Yeah, okay, Joe. I can't really keep up with all this. And I'm not really looking at the SW YouTube fan world like I was, say, a year ago. As much as I can't stand woke bullshit and all the thought control and heresy-hunting that goes with it, I like conservative dogwhistle and shrill fanboy complaining even less. Honestly, humans do my head in, sometimes. No, wait. Make that most of the time. Lucasfilm is a corporate-left organisation. The people employed there really do seem to think they're bringing truth and enlightenment to the world. I had a taste of it myself after I friended Matthew Wood on Facebook. He was okay at first and I agreed with him about Trump (who was POTUS at the time). However, when I dared to bash the Great White Hope Joe Biden on my own wall, that was it -- he instantly unfriended me. As far as I can tell, most Lucasfilm employees follow Anakin's reasoning: "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." How ironic. So, Joe, please: Don't bother me with these meat bags. I don't want to know. TFN is dominated by self-righteous woke thugs and the people at Lucasfilm are scarcely any better. And I suppose what happened with Matthew Wood perfectly exemplifies the saying "Never meet your heroes". Then again, the late Jonathan Rinzler seemed like a much more down-to-Earth person, and I was happy to have his acquaintance. He was evidently much more tolerant or relaxed and never waded into politics on his wall, nor did he ever bash me for my views (if he ever read my wall posts in the first place -- probably not), and maybe it was for the best. The online world is a pretty unpleasant place. Tribalism and kneejerk thinking are everywhere. People are rarely given any latitude on anything. The basic attitude out there seems to be: "I'm happy to tolerate a range of opinions from you, provided they don't deviate from my own." As Voltaire memorably put it (a man who pissed off religious and secular authorities with equal abandon):
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Post by smittysgelato on Nov 4, 2021 20:15:14 GMT
I met Matthew Wood in person. He was very nice to me and easy to talk to. Thankfully we didn't discuss politics. There is always the risk of incurring someone's wrath if you say the wrong thing. Even I get triggered by certain opinions so I can't totally condemn anyone without condemning myself too.
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 4, 2021 20:53:05 GMT
I met Matthew Wood in person. He was very nice to me and easy to talk to. Thankfully we didn't discuss politics. There is always the risk of incurring someone's wrath if you say the wrong thing. Even I get triggered by certain opinions so I can't totally condemn anyone without condemning myself too. There's still a difference between getting "triggered" -- whatever that means, these days -- and plain removing someone, especially after you were pleasantly conversing only a week or two before. That's how reactive and dogmatic people are now, thanks to social media. It's not that you're wrong here, because I don't think you are. But there's a definite pattern with Lucasfilm. They expect conformity and agreement. And that's not how people fucking are. We all differ in our views and temperaments and that's okay. Maybe Rinzler was more tolerant because he was booted. He knew what it was like to be shown the door. He probably wasn't fanatical enough (read: arrogant/brainwashed enough) to be a good fit with modern-day Lucasfilm, anyway.
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Post by smittysgelato on Nov 4, 2021 23:42:16 GMT
I met Matthew Wood in person. He was very nice to me and easy to talk to. Thankfully we didn't discuss politics. There is always the risk of incurring someone's wrath if you say the wrong thing. Even I get triggered by certain opinions so I can't totally condemn anyone without condemning myself too. There's still a difference between getting "triggered" -- whatever that means, these days -- and plain removing someone, especially after you were pleasantly conversing only a week or two before. That's how reactive and dogmatic people are now, thanks to social media. It's not that you're wrong here, because I don't think you are. But there's a definite pattern with Lucasfilm. They expect conformity and agreement. And that's not how people fucking are. We all differ in our views and temperaments and that's okay. Maybe Rinzler was more tolerant because he was booted. He knew what it was like to be shown the door. He probably wasn't fanatical enough (read: arrogant/brainwashed enough) to be a good fit with modern-day Lucasfilm, anyway. I guess, for me, "triggered" is synonymous with agitation, irritation, upset, etc. I see your point that getting triggered and unfriending someone are two separate things. At least that's what I think you're saying. Getting triggered precedes unfriending someone. You know, for all the shit liberalism gets these days, it is still kind of the best. After all, I don't know of any other ideology that champions tolerance.
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 5, 2021 0:16:19 GMT
There's still a difference between getting "triggered" -- whatever that means, these days -- and plain removing someone, especially after you were pleasantly conversing only a week or two before. That's how reactive and dogmatic people are now, thanks to social media. It's not that you're wrong here, because I don't think you are. But there's a definite pattern with Lucasfilm. They expect conformity and agreement. And that's not how people fucking are. We all differ in our views and temperaments and that's okay. Maybe Rinzler was more tolerant because he was booted. He knew what it was like to be shown the door. He probably wasn't fanatical enough (read: arrogant/brainwashed enough) to be a good fit with modern-day Lucasfilm, anyway. I guess, for me, "triggered" is synonymous with agitation, irritation, upset, etc. I see your point that getting triggered and unfriending someone are two separate things. At least that's what I think you're saying. Getting triggered precedes unfriending someone. You know, for all the shit liberalism gets these days, it is still kind of the best. After all, I don't know of any other ideology that champions tolerance. Liberalism is superior to conservatism -- I don't disagree with you there. However, it sometimes works better on paper than in reality. Maybe because human beings are ignorant, egotistical, nasty little lumps of slime, all in all. Too cynical or misanthropic? Okay, fine. Here's Pascal:
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Post by smittysgelato on Nov 5, 2021 20:14:21 GMT
Blaise Pascal is a funny guy, hahahaha.
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 6, 2021 0:07:09 GMT
Blaise Pascal is a funny guy, hahahaha. Maybe he'd just completed his tax forms.
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Post by jppiper on Apr 7, 2022 22:41:03 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Apr 7, 2022 23:33:22 GMT
Sorry, Joe. I don't really "do" Filoni. Not all that familiar with his output. In any case, GL entrusted Star Wars to Dave Filoni, and people really need to live with it.
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Post by jppiper on Apr 25, 2022 15:11:40 GMT
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Post by tonyg on Jul 5, 2022 19:35:47 GMT
First, I appreciate the fact that Filoni is PT fan and he openly admits it. Also he openly pays respect to Lucas. And he made some very interesting contributions to SW. That being said, there are things in the TCW that I just didn't like no matter that they are approved by Lucas or are Filoni only initiative. I like Ahsoka and I like the fact that she is much more like Anakin at the beginning: an impatient, pick headed teenager no matter that she is raised in the temple. It is obvious why Anakin accepts her as his Padawan (while I'm still not sure that he even should formally have such). Anyways, she shouldn't survive this episode in Rebels or she should just escape the explosion. The inhibitors of the clones: it is not a good idea, in my opinion. They are not allowed to choose and it is naive to consider that they will choose Jedi's side only because they are "the good guys". The soldiers generally choose the Army's side and while this is more cynical, is more realistic. I understand that there are clones that became also heroes of the show and it would be a shock to see them "switch sides" but still this would be more in harmony with the film's. Anakin and Padme's romance: is not something that I like in general in TCW, a difference from the movies. The depiction of the main characters, especially Anakin. I understand that this is more fan oriented Anakin that the Lucas-one from the movie, still I dislike the concept of Han Solo 2.0 with ocassional bursts towards the Dark Side. Mortis: again not my cup of tea. Anakin going back to Tattoine in Clone Wars the movie. I'm not sure it is the best idea. The useless retcon of some interesting EU stories (some of them are useful but some of them are kind of pointless). For example, why exactly Depa Bilaba should be Kanan's master. Could be anyone else. I understand that it is impossible everything to be according to someone's taste or always good or whatever. But generally, post Lucas SW even in animation has it postmodern vibe, as the rest of the Disney products and the difference between them and Lucas time is obvious.
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Post by jppiper on Jul 5, 2022 20:39:50 GMT
tonyg here's a comment from youtuber Mohi Master Filoni is the dark lord of baloney and his overrated show started the destruction of Star Wars.
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Post by jppiper on Jul 5, 2022 20:56:45 GMT
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Post by deliveranze on Jul 13, 2022 22:18:38 GMT
Clone Wars Anakin is boring typical “masculine” tropes and honestly probably should be more compared to Luke or Han as a character since even the VA says that’s what his performance is based on (but that’s a debate those fans wouldn’t want to have because that would probably force them to talk down on the OT).
Plus I never liked the way Matt Lanter talks about Hayden’s performance. It always feels backhanded with the “Hayden just didn’t have the time to flesh this character out like I did” approach.
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Post by nickromancer on Jul 13, 2022 22:23:53 GMT
Clone Wars Anakin is boring typical “masculine” tropes and honestly probably should be more compared to Luke or Han as a character since even the VA says that’s what his performance is based on (but that’s a debate those fans wouldn’t want to have because that would probably force them to talk down on the OT). Plus I never liked the way Matt Lanter talks about Hayden’s performance. It always feels backhanded with the “Hayden just didn’t have the time to flesh this character out like I did” approach. Despite the elements of that added by other people, he isn’t totally out of character because the stories were George Lucas’. I also get the sense that George was fine with the characters being caricaturized in animation, look at whatever the hell was going on in Detours.
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Post by jppiper on Jul 14, 2022 0:34:08 GMT
Clone Wars Anakin is boring typical “masculine” tropes and honestly probably should be more compared to Luke or Han as a character since even the VA says that’s what his performance is based on (but that’s a debate those fans wouldn’t want to have because that would probably force them to talk down on the OT). Plus I never liked the way Matt Lanter talks about Hayden’s performance. It always feels backhanded with the “Hayden just didn’t have the time to flesh this character out like I did” approach. For Many He is Anakin Skywalker Not Hayden
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 16, 2022 11:59:44 GMT
Labelling Dave Filoni as Felonious is a bit strange jppiper . You do realise that he's an Italian-American, and you're giving him a dodgy Latin version of his name? I've seen him wearing a few Italy t-shirts behind the scenes of TCW, so I can imagine he'd be quite proud of his ancient heritage too.
To imply anyone in Star Wars is a felon is way over the top. You need to be more measured with your language. "Hack" may be the word your looking for, it's what we use for Abrams. As much as I may dislike TFA, to call him a criminal or a felon is way out of line. You're essentially morphing into the OT fanboy of the 2000s with that talk, we shouldn't be stooping that low as prequelists.
I've seen a few commentators on YouTube who've attacked Abrams' heritage via a joke about what JJ stands for, in a vicious spout of anti-Semitism. This is not how one discusses and debates Star Wars, such vile people have no business in the fandom.
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Post by jppiper on Jul 16, 2022 16:51:33 GMT
ArchdukeOfNabooSomeone renamed the post i never called him Felonius and i'm not an OT Fanboy I'm an OT/PT Fanboy
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