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Post by Subtext Mining on Oct 22, 2021 21:21:53 GMT
Well, when the cosmic stuff takes a backseat, you know it ain't Lucas.  Midi-chlorians and Mortis are peak Star Wars for me. Like I said in the thread titled "The Mandalorian (Spoilers)": Forget The Mandalorian, I want to watch The Midichlorians. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 22, 2021 22:23:31 GMT
Well, when the cosmic stuff takes a backseat, you know it ain't Lucas. Midi-chlorians and Mortis are peak Star Wars for me. Like I said in the thread titled "The Mandalorian (Spoilers)": Forget The Mandalorian, I want to watch The Midichlorians. You can be my friend. |
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Oct 23, 2021 2:42:26 GMT
The EU would have been retconned anyway had George stayed... none of those ideas came from him, so why should he make his stories based on the limitations of what was basically officially licensed fan fiction?
As far as Dave, he's arguably the only one left at Lucasfilm who still cares about the legacy of Star Wars and what it meant to George... everyone else in the Presidio either has no say or is a cynic about the whole thing, like Pablo.
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Post by jppiper on Oct 23, 2021 2:48:32 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 23, 2021 5:29:12 GMT
One thing I find interesting about Filoni, is that he is really good at marketing to the audience. He really knows how to juice 'em up. PR master class. Just watch him at pretty much any panel and you will see what I mean. George, in contrast, gives no fucks about winning the audience over.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Oct 23, 2021 10:40:04 GMT
Yeah, I was gonna say, whereas George is concerned with what the story needs, what the audience needs and what he wants to try, Dave, especially with Disney, is quite willing to focus on what the audience wants. In fact, I feel Dave has sold out to the Mouse and compromised somewhat. But if he hadn't he wouldn't still be working for them, I suppose. So it's to be expexcted. With that said, I find it difficult to think of a reason why having Ahsoka live is not the better idea. My problem of course is that, yes, Disney is milking her way too much. And Filoni is more than happy to oblige. She along with SW in general are starting to become mere icons of gluttonous consumerism, alongside all the other franchises in the machine.  (Bearing in mind I have not seen The Mandalorian, etc. Only Rebels). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 10:43:04 GMT
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Post by natalie on Oct 23, 2021 16:24:32 GMT
So does everyone else apparently. Even games haven't been the same. If Mando is the best Disney LFL can offer then we're doomed to suffer mediocrity in the foreseeable future. In my mind, the only thing mediocre about Mando is the fact that it leans into the space-western aspect of Star Wars, which very much limits the aesthetics of the production design. Star Wars does indeed have western aspects to it, but it has so much more. This is why I prefer Clone Wars, it has far more variety aesthetically speaking. And the way it's written and how the main character is sooo bland (not sure how you can make a Mandalorian bounty hunter bland, but they somehow managed it). Star Wars standards are so low now that anything that looks nice and doesn't break legacy characters seems better than it really is. |
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Post by Ingram on Oct 23, 2021 19:26:51 GMT
With that said, I find it difficult to think of a reason why having Ahsoka live is not the better idea. I suppose I shouldn't 'internet' without my daily coffee because this sentence has shoe-stringed my brain into an orgy of knots.
Anyhow, I will say that it feels like I've seen more Baby Yoda, ahem, "The Child" novelty products in the past two years of my life than all other Star Wars merchandise combined.
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 24, 2021 14:52:03 GMT
Afternoon, folks.
Our friend Alessio wanted me to share the following defence he penned last night of Dave Filoni and Filoni-run projects like "The Clone Wars", "Rebels", and "The Mandalorian". He is an ardent supporter of Dave Filoni and "The Clone Wars" in particular. He's been trying to get me into the series. Alessio likes to give all Star Wars creatives a fair shake. Anyway, here it is:
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 24, 2021 16:58:10 GMT
The fact that Filoni is a Prequel fan is what makes me trust him more than any of the other next-gen Star Wars filmmakers. He and Giancarlo would geek out over them together while working on The Last Airbender, for example. To be fair, though, Rian Johnson also had positive things to say about the Prequels too. And the showrunner for Acolyte as well. However, Filoni's passion for the Prequels is evident. He dressed up as Plo Koon even.
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 24, 2021 17:45:30 GMT
The fact that Filoni is a Prequel fan is what makes me trust him more than any of the other next-gen Star Wars filmmakers. He and Giancarlo would geek out over them together while working on The Last Airbender, for example. To be fair, though, Rian Johnson also had positive things to say about the Prequels too. And the showrunner for Acolyte as well. However, Filoni's passion for the Prequels is evident. He dressed up as Plo Koon even. I reckon a lot of people privately geek out over prequels -- or bits of them, at the least. Some of it is just pure necessity: i.e., the Original Trilogy isn't much of a universe on its own. You need the prequels to really get lost in Star Wars and its variegated lore (sumptuous and goofy). Also, as Rian Johnson once said, "There [is] something beautiful about the prequels." Nobody can figure out what it is. To quote Morpheus: "It's like a splinter in your mind." The itch that can never be scratched. A scintilla, perhaps, of god-consciousness. Also, to quote Alessio back for just a second: "The Clone Wars" is certainly recognised, in some sense, as "official canon". I think it's fair to say we also recognise it on Naberrie Fields as broadly belonging to The George Lucas Era. That is: It can be discussed in that section without those discussions being kicked out and placed elsewhere. The series was incepted on George Lucas' watch and done with his guidance and blessing. I might personally desire to quibble the precise canonicity of it compared to the movies, but it doesn't really matter. It's an official George Lucas thing. I know Alessio was addressing the mentality of certain posters toward TCW, but the fact remains: It has a home here on Naberrie Fields and always will. |
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Post by Ingram on Oct 24, 2021 20:03:36 GMT
Afternoon, folks. Our friend Alessio wanted me to share the following defence he penned last night of Dave Filoni and Filoni-run projects like "The Clone Wars", "Rebels", and "The Mandalorian". He is an ardent supporter of Dave Filoni and "The Clone Wars" in particular. He's been trying to get me into the series. Alessio likes to give all Star Wars creatives a fair shake. Anyway, here it is: Yeah, no. I'm good. Star Wars isn't the Bible. I don't need anyone telling me I'm "not a real fan" (e.g. believer) of Lucas' Star Wars because I don't preload the notion of canonicity into my engagement with said media like it's scripture. It isn't. I shared in a post above why I think the whole premise in this case is fundamentally more tentative and should be weighed with adult-minded understanding and a bit of nuance rather than some nerd-fandom-denominational bullshit. I'll leave it at that; suffice to say, it is simply a false-premise.
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 24, 2021 20:17:22 GMT
Afternoon, folks. Our friend Alessio wanted me to share the following defence he penned last night of Dave Filoni and Filoni-run projects like "The Clone Wars", "Rebels", and "The Mandalorian". He is an ardent supporter of Dave Filoni and "The Clone Wars" in particular. He's been trying to get me into the series. Alessio likes to give all Star Wars creatives a fair shake. Anyway, here it is: Yeah, no. I'm good. Star Wars isn't the Bible. What?! Blasphemy! Of course. I like Alessio, but it's for exactly that sort of rhetoric that he ended up being removed from this website. I just relayed the message because he requested it (and I saw some value in it). Maybe I'm too accommodating. That said, when you get to know him, I think Alessio is an alright guy. I actually agree with you. Although very overextended, see this clash in a prior thread: The bulk of it is on Page 7. Personally, I think the movies and the spinoffs are separate things, and a lot of people still don't grasp how special the former are. That's our man George's chosen medium -- and boy, does he excel in it (duh). And yes, nuance over denominational bullshit is key. |
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Post by Ingram on Oct 25, 2021 1:44:38 GMT
Of course. I like Alessio, but it's for exactly that sort of rhetoric that he ended up being removed from this website. I just relayed the message because he requested it (and I saw some value in it). Maybe I'm too accommodating. That said, when you get to know him, I think Alessio is an alright guy. Oh, I'm only saying no to argument, not to its accommodation, which is something I'm always up for. But, indeed and generally speaking, if one cornered Lucas himself on the subject outside-and-away from media relations, I'd put down rent money that his investment in the idea of Saga Films/TCW canonicity is not of the nature that many seem quick to assume. I go back to a word I used earlier; that for Lucas TCW offered a great opportunity to riff those characters/storylines into a cool little (or lengthy) animated medium expression all its own, and where he and Filoni could get wild(er) with some concepts. Yes, such as time travel. Even the fact that Darth Maul's resurrection was then pulled back into what Lucas might regard as an arced continuity from the PT as a work of drama... even then, such constitutes nothing beyond its own whim. There are no statutes here. There are no conditions that when met yield categorical absolutions where Saga and Series become one per some abstract supremacy. It's just Lucas riffing back and forth between artworks. Which is pretty cool for fans who like to drink it all in one smoothie AND for fans who might prefer their berries and kale separate. |
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Post by natalie on Oct 25, 2021 18:54:59 GMT
Lucas changed opinions on quite a few things over the years... and if TCW is supposed to be on the same canon level as the movies how come it was still a different canon level (T cannon) during Lucas's era?
As for HC in Ahsoka show I don't see how that validates anything since it's happening without George's involvement. Leonard Nimoy has a cameo in Star Trek'09, does it mean all the trekkies must love it as much as the original series? (yes I know it's a different timeline... that's how I view all the Disney stuff now regardless of what the "official" cannon is).
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Post by Alexrd on Oct 25, 2021 21:27:57 GMT
Lucas changed opinions on quite a few things over the years... and if TCW is supposed to be on the same canon level as the movies how come it was still a different canon level (T cannon) during Lucas's era? Because George Lucas had nothing to do with Licensing's canon tiers. To him, there's only one canon: his own. And it's composed of all his works (which at the time were the six movies and the two TV series he was developing). |
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Post by natalie on Oct 25, 2021 22:49:22 GMT
Fair enough, I still can't take TCW very seriously. I guess I'm a movies only person.
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Post by Alexrd on Oct 26, 2021 11:02:50 GMT
Fair enough, I still can't take TCW very seriously. I guess I'm a movies only person. That's fine. At the end of the day, both TV series that Lucas was developing were spin-offs of the main work: the movies. They simply share the same plane of "reality", unlike the licensed works. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 11:05:47 GMT
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Midi-chlorians and Mortis are peak Star Wars for me.
