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Post by Cryogenic on May 22, 2021 10:51:19 GMT
And droids appear to have a lot more personality than your average stormtrooper -- and droids, of course, are replaced by stormtroopers as the basic keystone cops of the galaxy. Again, we seem to have Lucas counterpointing the dehumanising effects of fascism, or simply the "business as usual" approach where people become bland enforcers or cogs in a blind machine. When the droids arrive on the Death Star, they are conspicuous in their colouration. They bring some joy and zest to the place. They are machines, but they seem lively, fussy, creative (e.g., Threepio tricks the stormtroopers that enter the control room), and improbable. In other words, they seem human (or their human characteristics are more apparent) when set against the relatively cold and lifeless decor and ambiance of the psych-ward innards of the Death Star. ... Thus, many of the droids in Star Wars always have a spark of life about them; even if their sapience is perhaps limited. As Seeker said: they are valuable companions that rescue the heroes from sticky situations multiple times. The humans could not succeed without them; and they have their own way of navigating the strange world, full of bizarre sights and hidden dangers, and yet they tend to come out relatively unscathed; but not necessarily unchanged. Threepio seems to have partially come to grips with human ways by the end of the OT, and while it's not technically "Lucas", he even trolls Poe in the ST ("Irony, sir!" / "So do I. We should leave"). All in all, they seem pretty human to me. Then again, that's probably an insult -- it is to Jabba when Han calls him that in ANH, at least. "To be angry is to be human." Well, maybe. But emotions aren't exclusively the preserve of humans. Perhaps we need better terms; perhaps we murder others and imprison ourselves with language. Humans do not have a monopoly on life or consciousness -- surely one of the things the Star Wars Saga (even with its focus on human characters and relationships) repeatedly hints at. "I heartily agree with you, sir." -Threepio, ANH That subtle dialogue touch pretty much sums up and clues one into the general anthropomorphic approach to robots in the GFFA. Ah, yes! I love that line. God, I love Threepio! Hey, now... I'm a Jar Jar lover, too! Is it so strange?  As far as your line goes, there's even a resonance with Anakin there: Episode I:
ANAKIN: Will I ever see you again?
SHMI: What does your heart tell you?Episode II:
ANAKIN: My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.Episode III:
PADME: Anakin, you're breaking my heart...
(The golden braid Anakin-Padme-Shmi factor). Bonus (Episode II): Yoda telling Padme that seeing her alive after her "tragedy on the landing platform" brings "warm feelings" to his heart. So I guess that means he sees her in the afterlife? Her tragedy on the landing platform was, indeed, terrible (ROTS). But good catch on the Threepio line. It's in that darn Death Star control room that Threepio really shows some very "human" ways. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 22, 2021 15:51:40 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 22, 2021 16:58:07 GMT
Seeker of the Whills Outstanding cinematographic detailing you just found! And ignoring Dooku's aristocratic accouterments (cape, chain, belt), Luke wears a similar tunic in ROTJ. Notice also a strange diamond-like "tear" pattern that appears in the wall pattern behind Dooku in the interrogation scene where those scimitar filaments overlap:  This same pattern occurs a few times in regard to Kamino -- the strange world that Dooku may have been responsible for "erasing" from the Jedi Archives. Here it is, in distorted "flame" form, as a rip in Dex's stained overalls, where Dex tells his friend that the system he's searching for is called Kamino:  Jocasta herself is adorned in various forms of this same shifting pattern (and her tautly-tamed white hair frames her resentment of Obi-Wan's suggestion as much as Dex's dirty white overalls frame his salacious encouragement):  Finally, here it is in close-up hexagonal form on a computer screen when Obi-Wan is searching for Kamino in the Jedi Library (activated by finger presses from doubting Jocasta) -- it's like the digital computer screen interface cannot capture all the peculiarity and subtlety of the underlying multitudinous form:  A "curious" detail, in my opinion -- and perhaps a metaphor for the digitally-filmed (and now digitally-dissected) moviescape we are here analysing and discussing. One must use the Force to "see" the elusive and interact with it.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 22, 2021 17:59:59 GMT
Cryogenic Impressive. Most impressive. A similar shape is also on Jango Fett's armor. 
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 22, 2021 20:11:38 GMT
Two Jedi and a Sith caught in a force field.   The first field is a decidedly dark side red, inside the Theed palace (light side). The second one is a light side white, inside the Invisible Hand (dark side). |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 23, 2021 5:28:19 GMT
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 23, 2021 8:11:39 GMT
George Lucas: "We have the scene where Anakin decides to save Palpatine and join him, so they could learn how to save Padmé. The equivalent scene in VI is where the Emperor's trying to get Luke to kill his dad so he can save his sister." "Learn to know the dark side of the Force, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death."  "Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends."  I had speculated that these two were connected. It was quite a surprise to see Lucas confirm it in The Star Wars Archives prequels book. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 23, 2021 11:02:18 GMT
Two Jedi and a Sith caught in a force field. The first field is a decidedly dark side red, inside the Theed palace (light side). The second one is a light side white, inside the Invisible Hand (dark side). Infinite doors down infinite corridors. And dualities interfacing endlessly with trialities. (i) STAR WARS (ii) Episode I (iii) THE PHANTOM MENACE See what I mean? This is so cool. I've said before that there are many beams, barriers, bubbles, etc., in the PT -- or as Ol' Blue Eyes might say: baubles, bangles, and beads... Baubles, bangles
Hear how they jing, jinga-linga
Baubles, bangles, bright shiny beads
Sparkles, spangles
Her heart will sing, singa-linga
Wearing baubles, bangles and beadsThe Prequel Trilogy definitely "glitters and gleams" and certainly makes us all "dream"; so that someday, prequel fans may buy a ring, ringa-linga (or a Ring Theory). See, I've heard, that's where it leads, if you're wearing baubles, bangles, and them cool, cool beads! Anyway, yes: the PT is positively rippling with Force energy; packed full of gorgeous surfaces, strange contraptions, and this bizarre array of containment fields and glowy things. By the OT, there is next to none of that. Another measure of the PT's wondrous opulence (visual/thematic) and portal-obsessed nature (transition points, holding areas). Also... Well done, Anakin, you found the REY shields. www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/comments/g7o30f/activate_rey_shields/ Nice catch. I have quite a few visual riffs on the meditation scene (as I call it). You can basically build a whole trilogy around that one scene! Oh, wait. George Walton Lucas did.  George Lucas: "We have the scene where Anakin decides to save Palpatine and join him, so they could learn how to save Padmé. The equivalent scene in VI is where the Emperor's trying to get Luke to kill his dad so he can save his sister." "Learn to know the dark side of the Force, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death." "Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends." I had speculated that these two were connected. It was quite a surprise to see Lucas confirm it in The Star Wars Archives prequels book. Golden Lesson: everything in Star Wars is interconnected! Still, it's nice when The Maker confirms a connection, isn't it? The Sith love themselves (some trolling). They have been every voice Vader's grandson ever heard inside his head. Did you hear about that one? It's in some Disney movie or something. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 23, 2021 11:29:23 GMT
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 23, 2021 17:29:33 GMT
Very perceptive. Fits with AotC's theme of the shroud/cloud. The characters are walking like in a haze.  BONUS (just for fun): Goofy Threepio flipbook dance!    (Put the last three frames in separate tabs and keep jumping between them -- it's... satisfying). I could parse AOTC and mash things up all day!  |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 23, 2021 19:51:03 GMT
Seeker of the Whills Balance of the Force Anakin. Gotta love the attention to detail, even the graphics on computer screens, and in the designs, in general, are meaningful. A reminder to look closer. Before I wrote Prequel Posts #4 I never really looked that closely at the design of the Japor Snippet, for example. Cryogenic That Rey meme makes my entire week. Hahaha.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 23, 2021 21:30:52 GMT
Both Qui-Gon and Chirrut meditate behind locked doors in a perilous situation.   Qui-Gon trained with a Shaman of the Whills, and Chirrut was a Guardian of the Whills. I wonder if the Force Priestesses from TCW were avatars of the microscopic Whills. I guess Lucas has never confirmed that. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 23, 2021 22:32:39 GMT
Both Qui-Gon and Chirrut meditate behind locked doors in a perilous situation. Qui-Gon trained with a Shaman of the Whills, and Chirrut was a Guardian of the Whills. I wonder if the Force Priestesses from TCW were avatars of the microscopic Whills. I guess Lucas has never confirmed that. Chirrut is a Disney Star Wars character, not a George Lucas Star Wars character, and it doesn't belong in this section. If you would kindly move this post to the Disney section, it would be much appreciated. Also, because this post contains both George Lucas and Disney related content, I propose a new subsection of the forum for mixed discussion GL and Disney-era topics, and an individual Chirrut thread for this post. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 23, 2021 22:59:40 GMT
 Balance of the Force and Anakin. I also love how this moment highlights how the dark side, like Sebulba, is a saboteur. Greed, jealousy, hate, anger, and fear are always trying to sabotage the characters in one way or another. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 23, 2021 23:29:17 GMT
George Lucas: "We have the scene where Anakin decides to save Palpatine and join him, so they could learn how to save Padmé. The equivalent scene in VI is where the Emperor's trying to get Luke to kill his dad so he can save his sister." "Learn to know the dark side of the Force, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death." "Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends." I had speculated that these two were connected. It was quite a surprise to see Lucas confirm it in The Star Wars Archives prequels book. It stings so bad to see Anakin use his own weak spot against Luke. Such a scumbag move. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 23, 2021 23:57:37 GMT
Both Qui-Gon and Chirrut meditate behind locked doors in a perilous situation. Qui-Gon trained with a Shaman of the Whills, and Chirrut was a Guardian of the Whills. I wonder if the Force Priestesses from TCW were avatars of the microscopic Whills. I guess Lucas has never confirmed that. Chirrut is a Disney Star Wars character, not a George Lucas Star Wars character, and it doesn't belong in this section. If you would kindly move this post to the Disney section, it would be much appreciated. Also, because this post contains both George Lucas and Disney related content, I propose a new subsection of the forum for mixed discussion GL and Disney-era topics, and an individual Chirrut thread for this post. TROLL-LOL-LOL-LING DETECTED! When it comes to Disney content, the dose makes the poison. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 24, 2021 0:30:52 GMT
  "R2, stay with the ship." In the first instance, Anakin tells R2 to stay behind as part of a genuine moment of caring for his little droid, keeping him out of trouble (at least he hopes) and allowing him to remotely aid with the mission. In the latter, it's a clipped, terse instruction for R2 to stop him getting in the way of his business. This is also the same moment in which Anakin pulls up his hood, fully subsuming himself back into his new role as a Sith enforcer. As clear a transition from Anakin to Vader as could be illustrated. R2 is a very interesting character to watch. When R2 is separated from the main characters, it often forebodes negative consequences for said characters. In the examples above, Anakin is about to go off and do something foolish (i.e. Kill Dooku and the Separatist Leaders). In Episode V something similar happens, Luke is separated from R2 before his confrontation with Vader (temptation from the dark side). He also leaves R2 behind during his Ordeal in the Cave on Dagobah. In Episode II, R2 is left behind in the arena while Anakin and Obi-Wan go off to botch their confrontation with Dooku. In Episode IV, Vader blasts R2 at the battle of Yavin, leaving Luke vulnerable to attack. Again, in Episode VI, R2 is shot by a storm trooper, resulting in the brief capture of Han, Leia, and 3P0. Basically, if R2 isn't around, the characters are vulnerable physically or to moral temptation. R2 is a little guardian angel so to speak. He rescues these silly humans so many times, after all. To be fair though, this little theory isn't a hard rule. R2's presence isn't always a guarantee of a character's safety. However, many times it is a bad sign if R2 isn't present. For example, Anakin and Padme still get captured in the droid factory even though R2 is accompanying them. Also, R2 isn't present for Luke's final duel with Vader, but Luke comes out of that conflict alright. There is even that one joke in Episode II where Anakin tells Padme not to worry because they have R2 with them. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 24, 2021 5:57:08 GMT
Both Qui-Gon and Chirrut meditate behind locked doors in a perilous situation. Qui-Gon trained with a Shaman of the Whills, and Chirrut was a Guardian of the Whills. I wonder if the Force Priestesses from TCW were avatars of the microscopic Whills. I guess Lucas has never confirmed that. Chirrut is a Disney Star Wars character, not a George Lucas Star Wars character, and it doesn't belong in this section. If you would kindly move this post to the Disney section, it would be much appreciated. Also, because this post contains both George Lucas and Disney related content, I propose a new subsection of the forum for mixed discussion GL and Disney-era topics, and an individual Chirrut thread for this post. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the Disney section, or another new section, to allow for mirrors from the Disney era movies. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 24, 2021 10:52:01 GMT
Chirrut is a Disney Star Wars character, not a George Lucas Star Wars character, and it doesn't belong in this section. If you would kindly move this post to the Disney section, it would be much appreciated. Also, because this post contains both George Lucas and Disney related content, I propose a new subsection of the forum for mixed discussion GL and Disney-era topics, and an individual Chirrut thread for this post. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the Disney section, or another new section, to allow for mirrors from the Disney era movies. Indeed. There are options to mull over. Everyone please see the new thread in our private forum: naberriefields.freeforums.net/thread/134/lucas-disney-issue-where-putDiscussion of all the glorious mirroring and symbolism of the Lucas/Disney saga (call it what you will) should, in this thread, in the meantime, continue unimpeded.  |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 24, 2021 11:42:09 GMT
Clone/stormtroopers riding creatures.   |
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