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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 17, 2021 13:38:20 GMT
I too missed the rhyming and symbolism discussions of TFN, which is why I created this thread. It's posters like you and HevyDevy and others that got me into thinking about the rhyming of the saga and greatly deepened my love for it. It is so bursting with great imagery and imaginative ideas that it's a source of endless food for thought. Thank you, Seeker -- that's very gratifying to hear. Since you mentioned him: I wish HevyDevy would pick up his account and begin posting here, but I can't force anyone to be here. They must do what they feel is right, of course. Forests are sources of sanctuary, repose ("for/rest"), and regeneration. And why are forests so beautiful? Why, because of trees, of course! It's awful to think of the sheer number of trees and forests that no longer exist, even in just the past decade, due to human expansionism and greed. The continuous destruction of the Amazon rainforest is a blight on the soul of humanity (and bad for climate change), along with the loss of biodiversity and its impact on the Amazonian tribes that live there (and all those illegally killed by greedy loggers and gangsters paid to torture and execute activists and tribespeople who resist or speak out against this appalling ecological crime). The heart of humanity is very sick, and I think Star Wars is there to remind us of that -- how there is dark in light, but also light in dark; with balance being the key. Anyway, that's another great collection/concatenation of images -- what a majestic dream (of light, colour, sound, landscape, theme, rhyme, and detail) this glorious Saga is!!! For some reason, I keep being inspired to post poetic verse. It might be because the Saga itself is so poetic. An ode to trees (people may recognise a snatch of the following from "Superman II"): Trees By Joyce Kilmer I think that I shall never see A poem lovely as a tree.
A tree whose hungry mouth is prest Against the earth’s sweet flowing breast;
A tree that looks at God all day, And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
A tree that may in Summer wear A nest of robins in her hair;
Upon whose bosom snow has lain; Who intimately lives with rain.
Poems are made by fools like me, But only God can make a tree.
----------------- Why does this, BTW, sound so familiar? "My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar." "I've been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life." Hmm... Old Romance (and Old Romantics) will never die! Yes, it's terrible what's happening to forests the world over. Star Wars definitely has a good message about that that is valuable to learn, especially for kids. I certainly learned a lot about morality from Star Wars when I was a kid. Coexistence with nature and with different peoples is at the core of Star Wars. Another beautiful poem! The dialogue of the prequels is very poetic indeed. Some people didn't appreciate the old fashioned nature of the dialogue, or they didn't understand that it was intentional. To me it's one of the things that makes the prequels more beautiful than the originals. Here's still a few Anakin/C-3PO parallels, though they're getting a little obscure. Hanging C-3PO almost gets burned like Anakin
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 17, 2021 19:50:49 GMT
A random visual link inspired by the site banner. The AT-RT is like the mechanical successor of the kaadu.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 17, 2021 19:56:59 GMT
Yes, it's terrible what's happening to forests the world over. Star Wars definitely has a good message about that that is valuable to learn, especially for kids. I certainly learned a lot about morality from Star Wars when I was a kid. Coexistence with nature and with different peoples is at the core of Star Wars. The philosophic intelligence and all-round thematic grounding of Star Wars never cease to amaze me. It's a phenomenal work of edutainment: teaching people -- young minds in particular -- an impressive degree of visual literacy, introducing them to aesthetics and symbolism, and inculcating a cardinal set of life values and ways of seeing the world. And beyond all that, it's some bloody great escapism. Seismic charges! PWWWWWAAANG! I love how you assert that with such crystal clarity and unselfconscious openness. More beautiful than the originals? Yes -- I'll have me some of that! The fact that Lucas put these movies together undaunted, and got to say what he wanted with very little compromise or outside interference, is quite remarkable and worth celebrating. It repeatedly makes these films so satisfying to watch and parse through in our own ways. The prequel well never runs dry. Obscure is good. Don't forget the full name of the basic cinematic capture device; or the full name of its ancestor: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscuraThis is also an interesting little read: aphelis.net/camera-obscura-ideology-guy-debords-spectacle/But yes -- more neat parallels! Loving all the Anakin-Threepio stuff. Loving it all.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 17, 2021 20:51:17 GMT
I have been thinking about the parallels between Anakin and 3P0 a lot lately, so I am VERY excited about Seeker of the Whills bringing this topic up. View AttachmentOne could interpret Anakin having overlooked 3P0's missing eye as foreshadowing for his own loss of vision... View Attachment ...when it is obscured by the "greedy, red eyes of the dark side"... View Attachment...followed by Luke helping to repair Anakin's vision, so that Anakin can again see with his own eyes, that is, the "compassionate, blue eyes of the light side." P.S. Still struggling to figure out how to get screenshots to appear in the forum as bigger than thumbnails. I'll also drop a link to my latest blog post because it touches upon a lot of what has been covered in this thread in regards to Anakin and 3P0, but I also manage to connect all of that to the Japor Snippet necklace in a slightly different manner than I've seen anywhere else online. I'm might be totally wrong about it, and maybe, I went a bit too far in a few places, but I decided to just go for it Or maybe the way to put it is that I elaborate on the relationship between 3P0, Anakin, and the necklace in a slightly different manner. Anyways, I'll let you all be the judge of that. Reply #1, Cryo: "a cleansed/celestial state of being (elevation to "godhood"). Reply #5, Cryo: "you know, it's like a spirit/jinn leaving the body." YES, Cryo. EXACTLY. The Gnostic Nous escaping the chains of Physis and all of that. I also enjoy 3P0's mock apotheosis in Episode VI when the Ewok's mistake him for a deity. I believe I have seen that mentioned somewhere online, heck maybe it was from this very forum. I don't remember. smittysgelato.wordpress.com/2021/05/04/prequel-posts-4-anakins-limbs-and-japor-snippet/Fascinating analysis in your blog post. I never thought of that, and I think you're onto something. Anakin gives the Japor snippet to Padmé, and he also "gives up" his remaining three limbs in his quest to save her, totaling four lost limbs, like the four lines on the snippet.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 17, 2021 21:20:45 GMT
Yes, it's terrible what's happening to forests the world over. Star Wars definitely has a good message about that that is valuable to learn, especially for kids. I certainly learned a lot about morality from Star Wars when I was a kid. Coexistence with nature and with different peoples is at the core of Star Wars. The philosophic intelligence and all-round thematic grounding of Star Wars never cease to amaze me. It's a phenomenal work of edutainment: teaching people -- young minds in particular -- an impressive degree of visual literacy, introducing them to aesthetics and symbolism, and inculcating a cardinal set of life values and ways of seeing the world. And beyond all that, it's some bloody great escapism. Seismic charges! PWWWWWAAANG! I love how you assert that with such crystal clarity and unselfconscious openness. More beautiful than the originals? Yes -- I'll have me some of that! The fact that Lucas put these movies together undaunted, and got to say what he wanted with very little compromise or outside interference, is quite remarkable and worth celebrating. It repeatedly makes these films so satisfying to watch and parse through in our own ways. The prequel well never runs dry. Obscure is good. Don't forget the full name of the basic cinematic capture device; or the full name of its ancestor: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_obscuraThis is also an interesting little read: aphelis.net/camera-obscura-ideology-guy-debords-spectacle/But yes -- more neat parallels! Loving all the Anakin-Threepio stuff. Loving it all. Thanks, Cryo. I'm always impressed by your ability to see connections in everything.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 17, 2021 22:43:22 GMT
@seeker of the Whills "Where is everybody?" - 3P0: I have never thought of that line in the way you described. Subtext loves to hide in plain sight! I think JJ built very well on what Lucas laid out with 3PO with this moment from Episode IX: 3P0 gets to have his own going to the dark side moment, red eyes included. It is yet another one of those nightmarish fugue states, as Cryo described 3P0's brief career as a battle droid on Geonosis. Furthermore, before going into "red eye mode," 3P0 takes one last, loving look at his friends, tying the moment back to Seeker's interpretation of the line, "Where is everybody?" from Episode I. Like Anakin with Vader's mask, 3P0 will be unable to see his loved ones until after the mask comes off. Gotta love the blocking of the characters in the screenshots Seeker cited from Episode I and Episode VI, Anakin surrounded by the Jedi Council, 3PO surrounded by Ewoks. Golden boys to be feared and admired. Not only do the Jedi think Anakin might be the Chosen One, the Ewoks believe 3P0 to be a god, but the Jedi also initially reject him for the training (as Cryo points out in Reply #17), which draws a comparison between Anakin and Jar Jar. So, a bit of 3P0 and a bit of Jar Jar all at once. Cryogenic "I think it also makes for a very sweet sense of completion when Anakin's own tin-man creation is finally elevated to a "god"---followed in a sense, by Anakin himself." - Cryo, Reply #17. Completion is the perfect word to use here. Anakin laments his inability to complete 3P0, to give him coverings. They are both on journeys to become complete. I completely overlooked the significance of Luke being the one to levitate 3P0's chair. Great catch! Doesn't the forest of Endor have its own kind of hierarchy, though? I mean, the Ewoks see Han, Luke, and Chewie as a meal ticket until their God (the top of the hierarchy) commands them not to eat the Jedi and his 2 pals. Maybe I'm missing your larger point, though. I love this bit from the quotation you shared with us, Cryo: "In Episodes I, II, III, all the symbiotic relationships are torn apart." There's so much that can be said from just that bit alone! This goes back to all that you have said about how the Prequels can be read through the theme of "communication." To be in relationship, you have to communicate. If Anakin's limbs are the portals, or gateways to the mandala, when he himself is torn apart, he is no longer able to access, communicate with, or be in relationship with the god of compassion that sits at the centre of the mandala. Thanks for sharing the poem by Kilmer. Anyone who appreciates poetry is my type of human being. I shouldn't be surprised though, you appreciate the Prequels, which after all, are like poetry, they rhyme! ;P I'll also share a poem that I discovered recently that reminded me of Anakin's journey into becoming a robot man (his old failure) and his elevation to "godhood" as you put it: Last night as I was sleeping, I dreamt—marvelous error!— that a spring was breaking out in my heart. I said: Along which secret aqueduct, Oh water, are you coming to me, water of a new life that I have never drunk? Last night as I was sleeping, I dreamt—marvelous error!— that I had a beehive here inside my heart. And the golden bees were making white combs and sweet honey from my old failures. Last night as I was sleeping, I dreamt—marvelous error!— that a fiery sun was giving light inside my heart. It was fiery because I felt warmth as from a hearth, and sun because it gave light and brought tears to my eyes. Last night as I slept, I dreamt—marvelous error!— that it was God I had here inside my heart. -by Antonio Machado @seeker of the Whills That Kaadu/Walker parallel really captures the gradual mechanization of the Republic. In the first shot, it is the native who ride their organic steeds, while in the second shot it is the invaders (soon to be Imperial troops) riding their mechanized steeds, with natives dead on the ground. Chilling juxtaposition!
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 17, 2021 23:59:50 GMT
smittysgelato I haven't seen TRoS and I planned not to, but this really makes me want to watch it just for that moment. Seems like such a bizarre yet cool idea, and there weren't that many in the other sequel films, in my opinion. Of course, C-3PO also had a replaced arm in TFA. The parallels just keep coming.
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Post by Moonshield on May 18, 2021 8:34:14 GMT
A man and a woman The brute force and the wisdom Father's iron hand and mother's mercy Dictatorship and Democracy Old Romance (and Old Romantics) will never die! really.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 18, 2021 9:43:50 GMT
I thought this was a cool dialogue link. "This path has been placed before you, the choice is yours alone." "You're going down a path I can't follow."
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 18, 2021 13:04:26 GMT
Anakin was enslaved by the Hutts and had a transmitter/bomb placed inside his body. C-3PO was captured, fitted with a restraining bolt and sold by the Jawas.
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Post by Somny on May 18, 2021 13:42:23 GMT
I've been sitting on this observation for a while now and this is the perfect spot to finally share it. At the end of ROTS's staggeringly beautiful but tragic rumination sequence between Anakin and Padme in the Jedi Temple and Padme's apartment, respectively, Anakin makes his fateful choice to ally with the newly revealed Sith Lord Palpatine and exits the frame - or frame-right, to be exact. In the following shot, Threepio enters from frame-right and bows to Padme. In light of the elaborated upon link between Anakin and Threepio in this thread, this pair of shots suggests that Anakin, in deciding to interfere in Mace's seizure and potentially save Padme's life, has seemingly transformed into or re-entered the cinematic space, albeit briefly, as a subservient (again, Threepio bows) machine-man before Padme, the principal catalyst for Anakin's ultimate metamorphosis from man to machine. It's a nice touch.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 18, 2021 15:25:28 GMT
I've been sitting on this observation for a while now and this is the perfect spot to finally share it. At the end of ROTS's staggeringly beautiful but entrenchantly tragic rumination sequence between Anakin and Padme in the Jedi Temple and Padme's apartment, respectively, Anakin makes his fateful choice to ally with the newly revealed Sith Lord Palpatine and exits the frame - or frame-right, to be exact. In the following shot, Threepio enters from frame-right and bows to Padme. In light of the elaborated upon link between Anakin and Threepio in this thread, this pair of shots suggests that Anakin, in deciding to interfere in Mace's seizure and potentially save Padme's life, has seemingly transformed or re-entered the cinematic space as a subservient (again, Threepio bows) machine-man before Padme, the principal catalyst for Anakin's ultimate metamorphosis from man to machine. It's a nice touch. C-3PO seems to be like an avatar of Anakin. There are interesting parallel storylines between the two that rhyme with each other. It's still controversial, but Anakin being the creator of C-3PO is a fascinating part of the saga. I had no idea how many connections there were when I started this thread, so it's great to see others chime in with their discoveries.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 18, 2021 16:50:03 GMT
SomnyI think your observation may also explain why 3P0 claims to feel helpless as Anakin flies off to Mustafar. Anakin is trying very hard to be in control, but in the end is helpless, unable to save Padme.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 18, 2021 19:16:59 GMT
What about when 3P0 has his memory wiped? It is possible this is done purely for continuity, as 3P0 has no memory of the events of the Prequels in the OT, but thematically it works as well. Anakin, when he turns to the dark side, forgets who he is, a compassionate person, so he too has his memory wiped. As I said in my blog post, it is up to Padme and Luke to help Anakin remember and "re-member" himself.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 18, 2021 20:03:35 GMT
What about when 3P0 has his memory wiped? It is possible this is done purely for continuity, as 3P0 has no memory of the events of the Prequels in the OT, but thematically it works as well. Anakin, when he turns to the dark side, forgets who he is, a compassionate person, so he too has his memory wiped. As I said in my blog post, it is up to Padme and Luke to help Anakin remember and "re-member" himself. "It is the name of your true self. You have only forgotten." Padmé still calls him Anakin just prior to this. This is when he is fully transformed into Vader. "What? I couldn't have. She was alive, I felt it. NOOOOO!" "What? Oh, no."
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Post by Somny on May 18, 2021 22:34:30 GMT
I feel this whole Anakin/Threepio conceit would be more readily apparent if Threepio wasn't one half of cinema's foremost dysfunctional married couple. The droid duo's reputation for humorous cantankerousness has done much in my mind to obscure the more profound implications laid out here.
I believe Lucas initially intended for Threepio to behave, or at least sound like, a rough-around-the-edges, used car salesman instead of the prim, British-accented personality that ended up stealing the show to some degree. The ultimate choice, arrived at under fortuitous circumstances as the story goes, may have compromised a more immediate reading of the deeper relationship between Anakin and Threepio. Plus, where does Artoo fit into this symbolic paradigm? Such questions now arise.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 19, 2021 4:16:46 GMT
I feel this whole Anakin/Threepio conceit would be more readily apparent if Threepio wasn't one half of cinema's foremost dysfunctional married couple. The droid duo's reputation for humorous cantankerousness has done much in my mind to obscure the more profound implications laid out here. True, perhaps. Since the model for Artoo and Threepio (and their "lowly" characters being the ones the story is told through) was the bumbling peasants in "The Hidden Fortress", it feels inherently incongruous to compare either of them to the cold, glowering, deep-voiced wraith of Darth Vader. Their personalities could scarcely be any different; and on the moral axis, they are about as equally estranged. But that's also the genius of it: the genius of Lucas, the genius of Star Wars. His creation has always had these extremely contrasting, playful overtones -- and to heck with anyone that denies it! Jar Jar is more or less a synecdoche for that idea, in fact. Indeed, Jar Jar is rather explicitly equated with Threepio in some ways. When Jar Jar is helping to get Anakin's podracer in racing condition, for example, Artoo and Threepio chat between themselves, and it's Threepio who remarks, showing his propensity for dishing judgements against alien lifeforms (like the Jawas in ANH: "Disgusting creatures"), "You know, I find that Jar Jar creature to be a little... odd." Artoo then apparently backs him up, echoing his consciousness, and Threepio doubles down, "You're quite right. He's very odd, indeed." It's quite amusing that Threepio, of all people, is the one quietly commenting on Jar Jar's awkwardness, given who the "Jar Jar" of the OT actually is! That's another thing. I just referred to Threepio as a person. But Lucas has said several times that droids aren't really people; more like toasters. I've always found that comment "a little... odd" myself. But in formulating this response, I just realised it could be a bash of Darth Vader. Lucas has bluntly said that when he turns into Darth Vader, Anakin essentially loses his humanity. In other words, he is a shell of a person; a flicker of what he could have been. And therefore, in a way, he is barely a person anymore at all. Thus, paradoxically, the droids are imbued with vivid personalities in a kind of mocking contrast to Anakin. One can also read into the droids a similar critique of the PT Jedi -- they, after all, largely "make" Anakin into the awkward lump of clay that Palpatine then distorts/molds into Vader for his own purposes. Well, to sum up the Anakin-Threepio connection here: Threepio is very clearly an analogue for Anakin in various ways, from starting off “naked” and half-blind, to getting covers and becoming a bit more competent and sure of himself; even poignantly on the verge of conquering his fear of spaceflight. Only to “fall from the sky”, in a manner of speaking, and lose his wings in the Original Trilogy, gradually proving himself once more, until he is revered as a god by the Ewoks in the final chapter -- much as Anakin falls and is remade as Darth Vader, ultimately assisted in his ascension by his son, Luke, and becoming one with the Force at the end of the final installment. Artoo, on the other hand, is clearly the keeper of the flame -- the flame of Padme. He's the one that starts off on the queen's ship in Episode I, while Threepio is made by Anakin (one is in the service of royalty, the other is a work-in-progress peasant boy's creation -- but their designs and personalities are conspicuously "inside out"). They meet up in Episode I, but are then separated once the heroes leave Tatooine (for Episode I is, in many ways, a preview of what is to come) -- much as Anakin and Padme are separated (if misleadingly "joined in symbolic matrimony" at the celebration on Naboo) after the events of that introductory movie. In Episode II, something interesting happens: Artoo and Threepio meet up again, much like Anakin and Padme, and now start to emerge as the classic bickering duo of the OT (but only once Anakin and Padme head into the skies, working as a team, for Geonosis). They even "swap" places: in Episode III, Artoo is now essentially Anakin's droid, while Threepio stays with Padme. Further, Artoo is more of an action hero than ever, zapping and setting on fire any droids that dare take him on, while Threepio seems to have found his place in the opulent surroundings of Coruscant and the Coruscanti. But then tragedy hits and the whole thing falls apart, and a great big "reset" happens at the end of the movie -- yet all is not lost: Artoo effectively remembers everything (and maybe, deep down, Threepio does, too). Of course, it's symbolically apt that Artoo plays the message of Anakin and Padme's daughter, who is following in her mother's footsteps, to Obi-Wan, to bring him and Luke into the wider galactic situation (and Obi-Wan is going by the name "Old Ben", of course, and denies all knowledge of Artoo until Artoo plays the message and then his demeanour dramatically changes). All of these story choices are obviously quite deliberate by Lucas -- regardless of what he may have come up with or tweaked along the way. He legitimately wanted the droids to play a part in all six movies; and maybe go through the fuller nine. And they are clearly offering indirect commentary on the proceedings as they go. Anakin assembling Threepio in Episode I and switching him on (to show Padme) should have been the big knock-down clue to what Lucas was up to. Unfortunately, all most people could do was complain that he had "shrunk" the SW universe with too many implausible connections (showing an ignorance of mythological storytelling and the general motifs of this form of social/metaphysical commentary). Lucas himself placed some of the blame not on the final realisation of Threepio under Anthony Daniels (who did, yes, steal the show -- you couldn't have asked for a better choice), but rather on Darth Vader and the "icon of evil" he turned into. I don't mean Lucas specifically commented on people not "getting" the PT with this quote; but I certainly find his framing of the problem useful. Indeed, Vader's iconicity didn't just overshadow this connection between boy and droid, but also seems to have played a role in people struggling to accept Anakin's circumstances and personality in the PT. Of course, this mismatch was also exploited by Lucas (remember the Episode I teaser poster?) -- again, he was trying to indicate: "The prequels will be different to what you experienced before." Or in the words of Yoda: "You must unlearn what you have learned." I think a bigger issue here is that people tend to deny interconnectivity much more than they're willing to look for or accept the inexorability of it. They're rather like Boss Nass shunning the notion that the Gungans and the Naboo form a "symbiont circle"; and that what happens to one of them "will affect the other". We see that playing out right now in our contemporary politics and in the attitude and conduct of many on social media. "Social media". Those words seem very ironic. We often hear that human beings are "social animals", but we spend a lot of time ridiculing societal notions and tearing each other down. Indeed, the root word means "comrade" or "companion". The word "media" has the root meaning of "middle" or "central". But there's nothing particularly centered or moderate, let alone comradery, about the way we hector and dismiss one another; almost now as a matter of daily routine. This sickness seeped into prequel discussions early on -- indeed, before there even was any "social media" (excluding message boards) as we now understand the term. If, as a prequel fan, you earnestly tried to argue for some connection, or some deeper meaning to something, you'd often be greeted with a lazy disavowal like, "Nah, bro, that link can't mean anything". Or worse: "You're an idiot. These movies are for babies. You can read this deep meaning into the ingredients on a soup can." There's a hostility to the idea that things go together or echo one another. I don't know if materialism is to blame for this malady or what (science, at the least, does recognise connections between things, and is finding new connections all the time, on all scales of nature). I just think the prequels uniquely fell victim to it. But actually, virtually all items of popular culture are victims. Most, however, are quiet victims -- the prequels, by contrast, glow white-hot with all the disdain people have projected onto them, yet they give such a warm glow for people who understand. In other words, the more opprobrium they receive, the better they answer that opprobrium: they absorb it, reflect it, metabolise it, re-emit it... but as useful light... providing plenty of illumination and guiding its fans to ever greater depths of discovery. Ultimately, prequel bashing is -- dare I say it? -- a failure of the imagination; as, perhaps, is all pain and suffering in the universe. Guy Davenport tells us the "Good News": "These boundaries can be crossed". And we don't just call him Brer Rabbit. We also call him Jar Jar Binks.
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Post by Moonshield on May 19, 2021 4:54:45 GMT
For me, the real poetry of C3PO and R2D2 is when in TPM R2D2 is Padme's robot and C3PO is Anakin's robot, but in III R2D2 helps Anakin and C3PO helps Padme.
(UPD. In fact it is Anakin/Padme's poetry.)
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Post by smittysgelato on May 19, 2021 5:00:52 GMT
For me, the real poetry of C3PO and R2D2 is when in TPM R2D2 is Padme's robot and C3PO is Anakin's robot, but in III R2D2 helps Anakin and C3PO helps Padme.
(UPD. In fact it is Anakin/Padme's poetry.)
They exchange droids the way most couples exchange rings? Cool!
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 19, 2021 12:32:35 GMT
Obi-Wan's attitudes towards droids (and clones) seem a little short-sighted. Obi-Wan: "Well, if droids could think, there'd be none of us here, would there?" C-3PO to R2-D2: "For a mechanic, you seem to do an excessive amount of thinking." He doesn't think much of or care for droids ("Flying is for droids", "Oh, dear" when R4's head is ripped off), wanting to leave a lost R2-D2 behind in The Clone Wars because it's "just a droid", and leaves clones to their deaths. Perhaps this is to show more of the prejudice against droids that Lucas showcased with the bartender in ANH, and the droid on the refugee ship in AotC. Obi-Wan also considers some life forms to be "pathetic". This seems to be in stark contrast to his master Qui-Gon's teachings, which emphasize the importance of all life and symbiotic circles among them. Anakin, who is described by Lucas as a rebel to the Jedi, just like he does Qui-Gon, cares deeply for droids and wants to help clones. This may indicate another way how the PT Jedi have strayed from their principles. Obi-Wan is warmer to R2-D2 in ANH, calling him little friend. Maybe a lesson learned.
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