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Post by Moonshield on Jul 17, 2023 4:23:07 GMT
The taboo I refer to is us, the audience, praising the romantic storyline or suggesting Lucas did well on any aspect of it. Even amongst online prequelist communities like "Prequel Memes", they constantly bemoan the romance
Prequel Memes is not the prequelist community but the another TESB sect, which disdain the PT and GL and thinks that the boring trash comedy about the broken hyperdrive is the another Citizen Kane or Godfather II. People tried, worked very hard to destroy the beautiful and sublime love story. This is one of the vilest parts of the western agitprop - if it wants to destroy something, it takes its most beautiful part and destroys it in the most ugly way.
The another instance is how Padme was destroyed, because Leia is a flat character compared to her. Actually she is an absolutely flat character even without this.
The fact that Anakin/Padme's love story is beautiful, realistic, sublime and precise, can be objectively proved by different methods, for example, being compared to Nikolay Gogol's "Taras Bulba", when Andrii fells in love with Polish girl and says to her: "My queen! What do you need? Command me! Impose on me the most impossible task in all the world!" and then betrays his father, brother and his country (and later he was killed by his own father. Does it remind anything?), Emily Bronte's "Wuthering Heights" ("I cannot live without my soul"), or to the Michael Mann's hyperrealistic film "Thief", when after Frank's long revelation Jessie says to him: "I can't..."
What is really bad love story, is the story of Han and Leia.
But, unfortunately, nobody interests in all these things.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 17, 2023 4:44:20 GMT
This set my truth buzzer off. That's Anakn and Padme exactly.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 17, 2023 10:58:31 GMT
western agitprop - if it wants to destroy something, it takes its most beautiful part and destroys it in the most ugly way.
agitprop ăj′ĭt-prŏp″ noun
Agitprop (/ˈædʒɪtprɒp/;[1][2][3] from Russian: агитпроп, tr. agitpróp, portmanteau of agitatsiya, "agitation" and propaganda, "propaganda")
1. Political propaganda, especially favoring communism and disseminated through literature, drama, art, or music.
2. Agitation and propaganda; -- used especially for such activities carried out on behalf of communist activists.
You guys started it under your Bolsheviks. 70 odd years of spreading the cancer around the globe.
"Let he who is without sin, throw the first stone."
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 17, 2023 19:46:38 GMT
One of the most interesting things about communism is whether or not the democratic socialists are correct when they claim that Soviet communists bastardized Marx. I don't know the history well enough to asses that claim but it is certainly something to wonder about.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 17, 2023 21:26:13 GMT
One of the most interesting things about communism is whether or not the democratic socialists are correct when they claim that Soviet communists bastardized Marx. I don't know the history well enough to asses that claim but it is certainly something to wonder about.
Regardless, my point is that Russians haven't a leg to stand on when accusing the West of some kind of shadowy cultural propaganda. It was Moscow who began all that radical, deconstructionist crap under the diktats of Marxist-Leninism, where it was later imported to Maoist China to cause further havoc, that is the Cultural Revolution. Some of this has indeed now reached the Western World, but we've covered that in plenty detail on our Disney thread, amongst other places.
A Russian pretending to be the vanguard of traditional values is the biggest joke going. That's not what history shows us
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 17, 2023 22:25:06 GMT
Well, his point may have been that he knows what communist propaganda looks like because of his country's history.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 18, 2023 12:52:39 GMT
Well, his point may have been that he knows what communist propaganda looks like because of his country's history.
Perhaps, and it would be most welcome (a surprise to be sure), but I would sincerely doubt it; Moonshield is a veteran. Russians rarely admit the mistakes of their state to foreigners. It's either chest-thumping, jingoistic, exceptionalism or this bleak, apathetic form of defeatism. They like to pretend they've never hurt a soul, then accuse you of being some American stooge when you press them, as if everything in geopolitics were black or white. I've spend more than enough time being critical of GW Bush et all to have to deal with that.
While it's true that some elements of what Marx wrote about have been picked up and adopted by the wider politik (eg state intervention), Marxist-Leninism, which you might describe as "Lenin's bastardisation of Marx", was unquestionably terminally flawed from the beginning, being inherently anti-democratic like fascism. Stalin didn't bastardise anything, he simply implemented the ideology. Trotsky wouldn't have been much of an improvement, look at how brutal he behaved in the war against Poland, he was no angel either.
I'm not sure if Democratic Socialism is going anywhere in the US, given how the two party system is furiously guarded. Society there is also quite consumerist, which puts them in the arms of the corporations, making meaningful change difficult. The American mainstream left, as in Canada, is actually rather capitalist if one considers the phenomenon that is woke capital (alliance between Trudeau/DNC, pandering corporations and Davos elites), and because the politics is bogged down on culture debates, it again makes it hard to have a serious discussion on economic inequality and class (not unintentionally one might ponder). Indeed, since the rise of the neoliberalism in the West, once unthinkable positions have become reality. You now have some US conservatives harbouring a - traditionally leftist - anti-war, isolationist perspective, whilst social democrats adore bankers who push their social justice message.
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Post by Moonshield on Jul 19, 2023 3:45:53 GMT
Perhaps, and it would be most welcome (a surprise to be sure), but I would sincerely doubt it
My friend, in your messages you write so much idiocy, that I am, firstly, laugh at it, and, secondly, I am too lazy to dismantle all your trash, lol.
The word "agitprop" is just a synonym to the word "propaganda". Propaganda exists 5000 years, it wasn't created by communists or marxists.
And how the franchise was poisoned and destroyed, we all see.
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Post by Ingram on Jul 19, 2023 20:14:34 GMT
A lotta sparks flying in this thread all the sudden. I'll let you guys sort it out, but there is one lesser finer point I think needs clarification: You now have some US conservatives harbouring a - traditionally leftist - anti-war, isolationist perspective...
There is nothing traditionally liberal about anit-war movements here stateside. As the media age blossomed the anti-Vietnam-War protest fast established itself as an easy cultural reference to leftism, no doubt, but such was also something of an outlier in the grander history of our nation. US isolationism dates back to our 1rst President, cross-pollinating all political parties for such a time and with a lifespan that dwarfed that of latter-half 20th century optics wherein 'American Imperialism' may have been equitable with baseball and apple pie. There's an irony to it. While the US today is viewed default and even (self)mocked as the nation that polices world affairs, once upon a time it was viewed, if not dismissed outright, as a plainly isolationist country—leading up to and during WWI and during the intervening years leading up to WWII with said sentiments perhaps being not only the most vocal/widespread but likewise spearheaded by right-wing politicians, orators, influencers etc.
The truth of the matter is more of a mixed bag. Even modern conservatism here has, under a nuanced lens, been far less pro-war than simply pro-vet, if one is to appreciate the difference; not "support our government's invasion" but rather simply "support our troops". Conservatives have only generally been pro-war when referencing the lowest common denominator: in their dumbest, laziest depictions, whether accurate or merely caricatured (neither should be denied). Modern liberalism meanwhile, at least when manifested into its close-knit political parties, has proven, how shall we say, selective with its anti-war sentiments, depending on a multitude of sociopolitical, economical and ideological factors deep in the bedrock of whatever engagement... depending on which way the wind's blowing.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 20, 2023 11:57:50 GMT
I am too lazy to dismantle all your trash, lol.
So, you come on to the forum for the first time in a year, and you can't be be bothered to write? Great plan.
The word "agitprop" is just a synonym to the word "propaganda". Propaganda exists 5000 years, it wasn't created by communists or marxists.
We've also had projectile weapons for millennia. Does that then diminish the significance of the arrival of the machine gun? No, for nothing comes out of a vacuum - things evolve, and every once and there are leaps or accelerations. The Bolsheviks were master innovators in propaganda, taking information and public manipulation to a new height. They were never content with keeping it in Russia either, being thoroughly globalist in their scope, using all the newest means of communication and transport available, as well as revolutionising (if you'll excuse the pun) the secret police, Cheka.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jul 20, 2023 12:40:21 GMT
I may have confessed before that Im not a big John Carpenter fan but I saw They Live last night and it's the first of his I enjoyed. Even though it sticks to that abrupt ending formula I didnt love at first, but I'm starting to appreciate the dedication.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jul 20, 2023 13:17:52 GMT
Back to our regular programming...
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 20, 2023 17:45:38 GMT
Back to our regular programming...
Fair enough. But the slide into geopolitics was coming with the release of Oppenheimer anyway
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Post by smittysgelato on Jul 25, 2023 22:11:27 GMT
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jul 25, 2023 22:30:34 GMT
i will definitely try to catch it in theaters. hopefully this also means that the streaming services will be updating to the new transfer soon. A couple of those scenes are so black, you can't see them.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 4, 2023 12:04:52 GMT
I finally watched the noir classic The Third Man. Being a post-war film it makes a poignant follow up to Oppenheimer, and the questioning of mankind's value.
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 4, 2023 20:12:20 GMT
I finally watched the noir classic The Third Man. Being a post-war film it makes a poignant follow up to Oppenheimer, and the questioning of mankind's value. I watched it again a few months ago too (March or April). I think it felt the most depressing to me out of any other previous viewing.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 16, 2023 10:03:36 GMT
How am I just now realizing Nicole Kidman's character (McGregor's love interest) in Moulin Rouge is named Satine?
I watched that movie about 20 years ago, but forgot her name.
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Post by tonyg on Aug 17, 2023 21:38:21 GMT
I may have confessed before that Im not a big John Carpenter fan but I saw They Live last night and it's the first of his I enjoyed. Even though it sticks to that abrupt ending formula I didnt love at first, but I'm starting to appreciate the dedication. I'm not a big fan of him either and honestly, I hate horror movies in general (and they are his speciality). The Thing, however is a decent movie but I wouldn't watch it again for the same reason,it is a horror movie.
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Post by tonyg on Aug 17, 2023 21:46:21 GMT
I finally watched the noir classic The Third Man. Being a post-war film it makes a poignant follow up to Oppenheimer, and the questioning of mankind's value. The last noir I saw was quite new, from 2021, Reminiscence: a noir sci Fi, actually. I saw it on small screen, but is not that the noir movies require a wide screen, actually. It surprised me a lot, very capably made, very interesting photography and ideas. I would say,a decent movie that doesn't step away from some politically incorrect topics from our times. In a way it reminded me of Strange Days of K. Bigalow, but less violent (it is the thing I dislike in her movie) and more open to social problems (that was peripheral in Strange Days). I have never watched the Third Man, but I have plans to see it.
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