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Post by Subtext Mining on Aug 17, 2023 22:03:57 GMT
I finally watched the noir classic The Third Man. Being a post-war film it makes a poignant follow up to Oppenheimer, and the questioning of mankind's value. The last noir I saw was quite new, from 2021, Reminiscence: a noir sci Fi, actually. I saw it on small screen, but is not that the noir movies require a wide screen, actually. It surprised me a lot, very capably made, very interesting photography and ideas. I would say,a decent movie that doesn't step away from some politically incorrect topics from our times. In a way it reminded me of Strange Days of K. Bigalow, but less violent (it is the thing I dislike in her movie) and more open to social problems (that was peripheral in Strange Days). I have never watched the Third Man, but I have plans to see it. One thing to note about noirs, The Third Man as a prime example, is that it's common for the bad guy, in this case Orson Welles' character, to be built up but not appear until over halfway through the movie. Lucas was following this classic model, which is fitting in that the assassination/mystery/army aspect of AotC is a noir. I see some people complain about Dooku's late appearance, but... |
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Post by tonyg on Aug 18, 2023 17:21:59 GMT
The last noir I saw was quite new, from 2021, Reminiscence: a noir sci Fi, actually. I saw it on small screen, but is not that the noir movies require a wide screen, actually. It surprised me a lot, very capably made, very interesting photography and ideas. I would say,a decent movie that doesn't step away from some politically incorrect topics from our times. In a way it reminded me of Strange Days of K. Bigalow, but less violent (it is the thing I dislike in her movie) and more open to social problems (that was peripheral in Strange Days). I have never watched the Third Man, but I have plans to see it. One thing to note about noirs, The Third Man as a prime example, is that it's common for the bad guy, in this case Orson Welles' character, to be built up but not appear until over halfway through the movie. Lucas was following this classic model, which is fitting in that the assassination/mystery/army aspect of AotC is a noir. I see some people complain about Dooku's late appearance, but... I had never understood this argument about Dooku. The whole point of the detective story within AOTC is to see the investigation through the point of view of the investigators (The Jedi and more precisely, Obi Wan). Obi Wan understood about Dooku in a certain moment of the investigation, so the viewer should also know this fact in the same moment. I'm not an expert in genres, but my personal "definition" of noir movie is Phillip Marlowe type of movie: typically it includes a detective story and typically ( not obligatory) the protagonist is the investigator (no matter that he is professional or not). It is also typical to have a voice-over: exactly to see the things through protagonist's perspective. In this aspect Blade Runner international cut (which is not the theatrical nor the director's one) is a typical noir. Also, noir means "black" in French, so it should be "dark" movie : the majority of the plot happens in dark places during the night. This is for me the strongest argument against the thesis that AOTC is a noir: it is very bright movie. Let's not forget the femme fatale: she always appears to put an obstacle in the protagonist's way, sometimes he(it should be he in the noirs) has to choose between her and the "good woman" that always helps. Well, Padme is so far away from the femme fatale (second argument). AOTC borrows from this genre, I agree, but its own genre is much more complex. Reminiscence, however is typical noir while with sci Fi elements: the antihero, the good woman, the femme fatale and the lately revealing of the mean villain are present. Hugh Jackman is playing the mentioned Phillip Marlowe type. Interesting movie, I would disagree with some of the "answers" that movie shows but still it could produce an interesting discussion. I compared it with Strange Days for a very different reason: they both present a situation when there is a stronger female and a weaker male but this looks, how to explain it, natural and not agenda-induced (something that Disney failed to do in the sequels). As I said, Strange Days, has also interesting premise but I would prefer to be less violent. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 24, 2023 3:51:26 GMT
The last noir I saw was quite new, from 2021, Reminiscence: a noir sci Fi, actually. I saw it on small screen, but is not that the noir movies require a wide screen, actually. It surprised me a lot, very capably made, very interesting photography and ideas. I would say,a decent movie that doesn't step away from some politically incorrect topics from our times. In a way it reminded me of Strange Days of K. Bigalow, but less violent (it is the thing I dislike in her movie) and more open to social problems (that was peripheral in Strange Days). I have never watched the Third Man, but I have plans to see it. One thing to note about noirs, The Third Man as a prime example, is that it's common for the bad guy, in this case Orson Welles' character, to be built up but not appear until over halfway through the movie. Lucas was following this classic model, which is fitting in that the assassination/mystery/army aspect of AotC is a noir. I see some people complain about Dooku's late appearance, but... Also, the noir villain is often the one who hires the hero to investigate the plot. Palpatine assigns Anakin and Obi-Wan to watch over Padme, while Orson Welles invites Joseph Cotten to Vienna. And of course, from a certain point of view, Padme is both the good woman and the femme fatale. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 24, 2023 5:17:22 GMT
Let us be totally fair here, though. If Padme is a femme fatale, Anakin is Padme's mortiferous masculine.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Aug 24, 2023 10:06:51 GMT
What the heck is a mortiferous masculine lol
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 24, 2023 18:38:32 GMT
What the heck is a mortiferous masculine lol The male version of a femme fatale. |
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Post by tonyg on Aug 25, 2023 7:14:21 GMT
Let us be totally fair here, though. If Padme is a femme fatale, Anakin is Padme's mortiferous masculine. Neither, I would say. They have a tragic, Tristan and Isolde type of story, however, for a character, there is a "condition" to be femme fatale: she is not in love with the protagonist, but only pretends to be. Also, she intentionally brings him down, no matter the motives or at least help the villain in his plans. For a different reasons she can regret that later, but in the beginning she is Delilah who cuts Samson power from him, pretending to love him. As I said, while AOTC borrows from different genres, for me it is closer to the chivalry romance for all that happened and the Knight feats and tests Anakin should pass through. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 25, 2023 23:27:02 GMT
Let us be totally fair here, though. If Padme is a femme fatale, Anakin is Padme's mortiferous masculine. Neither, I would say. They have a tragic, Tristan and Isolde type of story, however, for a character, there is a "condition" to be femme fatale: she is not in love with the protagonist, but only pretends to be. Also, she intentionally brings him down, no matter the motives or at least help the villain in his plans. For a different reasons she can regret that later, but in the beginning she is Delilah who cuts Samson power from him, pretending to love him. As I said, while AOTC borrows from different genres, for me it is closer to the chivalry romance for all that happened and the Knight feats and tests Anakin should pass through. Yes, you are right, I am wrong. Although, there is slight overlap in that the lovers act as a temptation that leads to their downfall, but that is really the only similarity. The differences you point out are very real. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Sept 3, 2023 12:20:15 GMT
Yesterday I watched Reflecting Skin (1990). An obscure film about a boy and a very small, rural town in the 1950s. It's very unique, shot very beautifully, and grippingly strange (it often gets compared to Lynch). Full film youtu.be/3zyuaEZWZNE?si=2jLC85Ax7Kt8sLAo |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Sept 28, 2023 18:37:56 GMT
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Post by tonyg on Sept 28, 2023 20:36:20 GMT
Well, your tip was unmistakable. Guessed it in 4 attempts. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Oct 13, 2023 11:28:42 GMT
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Post by tonyg on Oct 14, 2023 8:40:03 GMT
I was late. Superman came to the scene. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Oct 14, 2023 9:25:52 GMT
The one on September 28th was Attack of the Clones. And the one on October 13th was The Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Oct 19, 2023 22:52:02 GMT
watched One from the Heart, The Outsiders, Rumble Fish, and I've started Cotton Club. Trying to catch up with my 80s Coppola. I'd seen Rumble Fish before in college, stoned. As far as I knew it was just "some weird movie with Tom Waits in it". I never knew how much Tom Waits was in his movies. One from the Heart really is fantastic. A lot in common visually, as Apocalypse now. You can really start to see a timeless visual style solidify in the 80s.
Looking forward to catching up with his filmography. I've been picking at some early Spielberg movies in the meantime too, but I wasn't too impressed with Duel, and I had trouble getting into Sugarland Express off the bat. I'm gonna have to watch his big three someday: Jaws, Close Encounters, and E.T.
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Post by Somny on Oct 20, 2023 4:12:21 GMT
I'm gonna have to watch his big three someday: Jaws, Close Encounters, and E.T.  I hope you're implying a re-viewing marathon for all our sakes. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Oct 20, 2023 4:52:17 GMT
I'm gonna have to watch his big three someday: Jaws, Close Encounters, and E.T. I hope you're implying a re-viewing marathon for all our sakes. Naw dawg. I'm saving them for a rainy day. I've tried Jaws multiple times but get bored with it pretty quick. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Oct 20, 2023 4:57:46 GMT
I also recently re-watched Back to the Future II and..... honestly, I don't feel like it holds up to my love of it when I was younger. Maybe, because the characters become cartoons of themselves starting in part II, the Back to the Future "trilogy" works better for kids.
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Film club
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Oct 31, 2023 19:22:26 GMT
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Post by Subtext Mining on Nov 4, 2023 0:29:11 GMT
I finally saw Double Indemnity the noir classic. Exceptionally well written and shot. I like how after awhile they make you realize you're rooting for the bad guys. And that feeling of sympathy you get when you, along with the main character realize the femme's intentions. I'm just surprised how much they actually talk about insurance.
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