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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 11, 2020 23:14:32 GMT
Hello there!
Let this be a place where we can share our thoughts, predictions and ideas towards the upcoming Obi-Wan based TV series for Disney+, which is due to start filming this year.
This blog reports some interesting news...
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Post by Cryogenic on Jan 12, 2020 1:05:51 GMT
I'll jump in with more later.
But I find it funny the colour tones in those images are so similar. Never really equated Jar Jar with Obi-Wan before.
Obee? OBEEE!!!
Prequels are still amazing. It's where Star Wars started to marinate in minutiae and become something grand and excellent.
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Post by Ingram on Jan 12, 2020 8:47:21 GMT
If The Mandalorian is any barometer, I remain numbly indifferent. That show existed strictly for the sake of content consumption, little more. I watched it all the way through, un-chaffed, and will likely never watch it again. Still, that was just one TV show. Their first. Greater (or odder) ambitions might be at work with the upcoming in question. I doubt it but who knows.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jan 12, 2020 9:16:51 GMT
One man's trash is another man's DeLorean.
But yeah, I would hope there would be more to Obi-Wan's series. If TCW or Rebels are any indication of what Filoni and friends are capable of, we might be in for something more worthwhile than the first season of the Mandalorian.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 15, 2020 4:29:25 GMT
Nice take from this YouTuber on the possibility of Jar Jar coming back.
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Post by rayo1 on Jan 17, 2020 21:46:54 GMT
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Post by clonewarsfilonifan1 on Jan 22, 2020 20:45:44 GMT
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 24, 2020 0:58:39 GMT
Looks like their was some substance to that after all. I don't think like this new report:
I've no idea why they would want to change the story at this point. Wasn't it supposed to be done and dusted with a few years? There seems to be a lot of odd things happening behind the scenes at Lucasfilm right now.
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Post by rayo1 on Jan 24, 2020 1:01:47 GMT
Looks like their was some substance to that after all. I don't think like this new report:
I've no idea why they would want to change the story at this point. Wasn't it supposed to be done and dusted with a few years? There seems to be a lot of odd things happening behind the scenes at Lucasfilm right now. More than that, Kathleen Kennedy disapproved of the scripts. This is EXACTLY what happened to TFA, R1, Solo, and TROS. Four films she disapproved of (two of which only suffered financially, and one of which didn't suffer much outside of Gareth Edwards being fired), and she somehow DOESN'T see the pattern. |
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Post by jppiper on Jan 24, 2020 1:30:54 GMT
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 24, 2020 2:07:00 GMT
I don't think we have any firm evidence that it's Kennedy making the call. It may be, but it could also be another (lower ranking) producer at Lucasfilm or it might just be pressure from the suits at Disney after the poor performance of TROS.
But why would it be delayed? Why re-write it when you were quite clear the writing was over and done with?
Is it this:
"Kenobi story treaded similar ground as Mandalorian, seeing the Jedi master lending a protective hand to a young Luke and perhaps even a young Leia"
Surely not? Lucasfilm would have been aware of the story of The Mandalorian's first season ever since Favreau proposed it in what, 2017 or 16? It's not like its news to them as it has been for the audience in recent months on Disney Plus. So when they announced the Kenobi TV show last August, they knew exactly where both stories stood.
Why did they put so much emphasis on "scripts ready to go" at the announcement? If they still had doubts on the story, would it really have hurt them to forgo mentioning scripts? It wouldn't have altered any of the excitement the fans were experiencing from hearing Ewan McGregor was returning.
It's all so strange...
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Post by jppiper on Jan 24, 2020 2:25:45 GMT
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Post by rayo1 on Jan 24, 2020 2:30:21 GMT
@archduke He Can't meet Leia That screws up the canon Well, emphasis on "even". Bail Organa could've made an appearance and they could have shown a younger Leia through holograms. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 24, 2020 2:36:57 GMT
@archduke He Can't meet Leia That screws up the canon
That's correct. But he should be in close contact with Bail Organa - her adoptive father. If anyone is to playing the no. 2 in this show, it's got to be Jimmy Smits. I would hate to see them inventing some silly new patronising character in his place.
If it turns out they're reworking the script in order to let it play out over multiple seasons, then I'll happily come on board. But if it's to reduce it even further to one season of 4 episodes? Why bother. Why should prequel fans have to put up with scraps all the time? |
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Post by Alexrd on Jan 24, 2020 13:01:11 GMT
If he was in close contact with Bail, why would Leia need to specify the Clone Wars when she tried to make contact with Obi-Wan? The implication is that the Clone Wars was the last time Obi-Wan served him. And isn't contact with Obi-Wan meant to be avoided since he's in hiding?
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 25, 2020 19:42:33 GMT
If he was in close contact with Bail, why would Leia need to specify the Clone Wars when she tried to make contact with Obi-Wan? The implication is that the Clone Wars was the last time Obi-Wan served him. And isn't contact with Obi-Wan meant to be avoided since he's in hiding?
Because Leia didn't know him. She was still something like 19 in ANH, and barely into her career with the rebellion. Bail and Obi-Wan knew each other during the Clone Wars and, as we saw in ROTS, prepared to work together. I'm pretty confident those two would have been in communication in spearheading the fledgling rebellion movement. Who else is going to be involved in it?
Nobody is saying Obi-Wan is slaying dragons at the other end of the galaxy every three months. That would be silly. But is quite logical that the veteran senator and the veteran member of the Jedi Council would be covertly linking up in the years after the proclamation of empire.
You want Obi-Wan stuck in the dessert for 2 decades? Fine, but I and many others believe he should still be keeping tabs with Bail now and then. This is no contradiction - a fight with Vader before ANH is.
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Post by Alexrd on Jan 25, 2020 23:32:05 GMT
Leia didn't know him, but she would know the last time Obi-Wan helped her father. But what would be the point of Bail keeping contact with Obi-Wan, if not for Obi-Wan to assist him? And if he did assist him, then Leia would have mentioned it in ANH ("years ago you helped my father in such and such", as opposed to a war decades ago). That's the whole point of that dialogue: to establish that Obi-Wan has been hiding since the wars.
I don't see how Obi-Wan, stationed in the remote regions of a remote planet, could help with the Rebel Alliance. Bail and the other senators were already planning things before the Empire formed.
Obi-Wan is supposed to be on Tatooine, in hiding, watching over Luke and training with Qui-Gon until R2 shows up.
I'm not the one asking for a series about Obi-Wan after ROTS, so what I want is not really relevant. I'm just pointing out which things wouldn't make sense considering what has been established in the movies.
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Post by tonyg on Jan 27, 2020 17:52:31 GMT
Leia didn't know him, but she would know the last time Obi-Wan helped her father. But what would be the point of Bail keeping contact with Obi-Wan, if not for Obi-Wan to assist him? And if he did assist him, then Leia would have mentioned it in ANH ("years ago you helped my father in such and such", as opposed to a war decades ago). That's the whole point of that dialogue: to establish that Obi-Wan has been hiding since the wars. I don't see how Obi-Wan, stationed in the remote regions of a remote planet, could help with the Rebel Alliance. Bail and the other senators were already planning things before the Empire formed. Obi-Wan is supposed to be on Tatooine, in hiding, watching over Luke and training with Qui-Gon until R2 shows up. I'm not the one asking for a series about Obi-Wan after ROTS, so what I want is not really relevant. I'm just pointing out which things wouldn't make sense considering what has been established in the movies. Agree. In this aspect the book of EU for Kenobi did it well showing that Obi Wan 'indirectly" interfered so a family of Tattoine could establish a new life in Alderaan but never ever at any point Bail and Obi Wan met (I mean personally). Is something like "I know that you come from Tattoine so I know who sent you". Is fine to have such "hints" but real contact, no it would go directly against what is established still in OT. |
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Post by Alexrd on Jan 27, 2020 18:24:18 GMT
One thing that would make sense, as far as an Obi-Wan series set between ROTS and ANH, would be a more introspective approach to the character, with the trials and challenges that Qui-Gon's training would entail. But that's a topic that I would only want Lucas to touch on, and since he's not involved anymore, I'd would prefer if Disney stood as far away from it as possible.
Another option would be to show the various instances in which he had protected Luke throughout those 20 years without him (or virtually anyone) knowing. But that would eventually get repetitive and there would be no story in it.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 28, 2020 0:15:16 GMT
But that's a topic that I would only want Lucas to touch on, and since he's not involved anymore, I'd would prefer if Disney stood as far away from it as possible. We get it: anything Star Wars that isn't made by Lucas is blasphemous. But the premise of this thread is that a spin-off series is being developed by Disney, and that we are interested in what it may be about. That implies giving this project the spirit of goodwill.
The reality is that nothing this show could ever do would possibly please you. It may be a very deep introspective take on an Obi-Wan suffering from PTSD, with him questioning himself and on what he's become, and you'd still be up in arms, just like the social media mob you so deplore - how fabulously ironic.
I've been a vocal critic of Disney Lucasfilm, and I do not need to be reminded of their past failings, but I don't think for a minute think I have any right to condemn new projects like this to oblivion. There are a lot of good folks still in the company, like Dave Filoni, John Knoll and Doug Chiang and I think they are perfectly capable of producing a good drama when given sufficient time and creative control.
If it's your philosophy that new projects like this need to be shot down immediately, then you're wasting your time commenting here. That kind of attitude, which also includes ridiculing a film you haven't even bothered to see (ie the TROS thread) is simply ridiculous.
Debating with you on whether or not Obi-Wan should meet Bail, or indeed any merits of this planned series, is pointless. I will be moving on.
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