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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Mar 31, 2021 21:02:55 GMT
Now that you remind me, Anthony, I too am glad to see the Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru actors from Episode III reprising their roles. Joel Edgerton is an interesting, creative fellow. I'm thrilled for Bonnie Piesse after hearing what nightmarish personal circumstances befell her since the prequels.
With the Lars onboard, we're definitely getting child Luke, folks. I just hope it's not for too long because it could sidetrack us from Obi-Wan.
Rupert Friend was outstanding in Homeland. I can see him making a convincing imperial villain, maybe like a son of Tarkin? We'll have to wait to find out.
I think we could to go very deep into Darth Vader. There are many questions about him in that period following ROTS.
I don't think Ahsoka will appear, though who know knows what surprises they have lined up for us.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Apr 11, 2021 20:39:21 GMT
I do like Harloff's suggestion here that Owen could possibly team up with Obi-Wan. It is a character relationship that would be interesting to explore, as we know it had become very sour by Episode IV.
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Post by thephantomcalamari on Apr 19, 2021 13:21:01 GMT
The annoying thing is that one of two things will happen based on Hayden Christensen's performance in this series:
1) People will respond negatively to it, and once again use it as an opportunity to bash George for casting him in the prequels 2) People will respond positively to it, and use it as an opportunity to bash George for failing to direct him properly
Should be fun!
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Post by jtn90 on Jun 10, 2021 15:57:55 GMT
I don't want to hate on Ewan, I think no one of us here want it,I still apreciatte him for what he did in the prequel trilogy, but It would be nice from him to say something nice of the prequels instead of beating the dead horse of the blue/green screen
Althought Obi Wan is my favourite star was character, I was always against the idea of this series,maybe due to fear of ruinig Obi Wan, but Ewan acting like this makes things not much better, if he will bring how much a "painful/regretable was acting in the prequels,then better don't return, because slanding the source material that made you able to be in this new one to promote it is disrespectful, and I'm sure that is not a good idea to anger the fans of those movies who made you be in the place you are now to please the haters who don't deserve anything from you.
I don't want to dictate what he should opine,is his right and is respetable that he found hard to act in front on green screen,I see what he means, but he already has murned a lot to it to make us clear what he fells, making it over nad over and over again will not change the prequels, If this is all what the promotional campaing will e about then that means the show itself regarding story,characters and all isn't so good to be promoted.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 10, 2021 16:19:29 GMT
I look forward to the day when a major Prequel fan boy or girl becomes a major director and just rips the world a new asshole for all the shit that has been hurled at the Prequels.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jun 10, 2021 17:13:54 GMT
I'm quite excited to see what this series is about, especially for the return of Hayden (who should have been in Rogue One), but I'm also worried for retcons or other slights at the prequels. I'm also preparing for the choir of "It fixed the prequels", like it happened with The Clone Wars. And if Hayden's performance is received badly, the prequels will get more hate, and if his performance is well received, it will be a lot of "He redeemed himself from those awful prequels." So either way there will be shit coming our way. Trying to stay optimistic though. I want to be able to enjoy this since it's Disney giving us prequel fans a bone. I don't want to hate on Ewan, I think no one of us here want it,I still apreciatte him for what he did in the prequel trilogy, but It would be nice from him to say something nice of the prequels instead of beating the dead horse of the blue/green screen Althought Obi Wan is my favourite star was character, I was always against the idea of this series,maybe due to fear of ruinig Obi Wan, but Ewan acting like this makes things not much better, if he will bring how much a "painful/regretable was acting in the prequels,then better don't return, because slanding the source material that made you able to be in this new one to promote it is disrespectful, and I'm sure that is not a good idea to anger the fans of those movies who made you be in the place you are now to please the haters who don't deserve anything from you. I don't want to dictate what he should opine,is his right and is respetable that he found hard to act in front on green screen,I see what he means, but he already has murned a lot to it to make us clear what he fells, making it over nad over and over again will not change the prequels, If this is all what the promotional campaing will e about then that means the show itself regarding story,characters and all isn't so good to be promoted. You really have to commend the older actors like Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee and Liam Neeson for not having any trouble with or anything bad to say about greenscreen. They have been very professional about it. I think Natalie Portman also actually appreciated the work and called it the purest form of acting. I look forward to the day when a major Prequel fan boy or girl becomes a major director and just rips the world a new asshole for all the shit that has been hurled at the Prequels. I think Filoni is the best we're going to get on that front for a while. He has been injecting a bit of the prequels to the projects he's worked on. I would honestly trust the Kenobi series more in his hands.
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Post by Samnz on Jun 10, 2021 17:42:29 GMT
Ewan is Ewan, you know what get with him. The thing is, he is just not a filmmaker. He is no creative. He could never write or direct a film. He couldn't even produce a film, because he - apparently - neither has the knowledge nor the love for the actual process of making a movie. There is more to it than a bunch of actors standing in front of a set, reading stupid lines and it would be nice if Ewan would a least once acknowledge the work of hundreds of artists that went into the films that gave him the opportunity to star in that Disney show. I don't know if Ewan ever bothered to speak with someone like Christopher Lee about the matter. I don't know if he cares enough.
I like Obi-Wan, but I never got the hype for the character. It's a good character, but I always thought Anakin and Padmè were more interesting and complex. And it's a shame that the actor who understood the Prequels the least actually got the best reception. Among all of them.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 10, 2021 19:19:19 GMT
You really have to commend the older actors like Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee and Liam Neeson for not having any trouble with or anything bad to say about greenscreen. They have been very professional about it. I think Natalie Portman also actually appreciated the work and called it the purest form of acting. Well, Natalie's comment could be considered a backhanded compliment. I suspect her real feelings are closer to Ewan's. As for Ewan himself: I think he has a different perspective, seeing as he came onboard as a genuine fan of the series, perhaps also believing he was getting to play a young and edgy version of Obi-Wan, when he was basically relegated into the role of a loyal, uptight squire in Episode I. That said, at least he was appearing with Liam Neeson: a great Irishman and a great Scot as the two most significant Jedi of all time! Furthermore, Ewan was the only principal cast member who never went to Tunisia, Italy, or Spain. The majority of his scenes were on soundstages. In Episode II, he did a lot of acting against cardboard place-holders, or in the arena, fending off invisible monsters. In Episode III, he rode Boga by basically sitting on a box surrounded by greenscreen, battled Hayden over a greenscreen landscape, and even the last scene of the movie, where Obi-Wan delivers baby Luke to the Lars, was done with greenscreen. Of course, there were also some sets built, and this is where Ewan's emphasis sounds a bit disingenuous. The Invisible Hand utilised a big set for the fight with Dooku (although Obi-Wan is out cold for most of it), there was that large Jedi briefing room set ("You missed the report on the Outer Rim sieges"), Padme's apartment (Ewan had a couple of scenes here), the scenes of Padme giving birth on Polis Massa, the discussion with Bail and Yoda about the twins on the Tantive IV (or Sundered Heart after retconning) -- and that's just Episode III, the one that Ewan has previously claimed was "all green screen". Ewan is Ewan, you know what get with him. That's true. I like Ewan overall. Part of this seems to be a marketing strategy on Lucasfilm and Disney's parts, although it seems that Ewan is only too happy to play along. Very true. A lot of work goes into a movie, especially one with the technical complexity and minutiae-laden intrigue of Star Wars. But he never seems to acknowledge that, and as a result, his complaining about the green screen (or blue screen) process starts to sound ungrateful -- even insular. I agree that Obi-Wan isn't as complex as Anakin or Padme. They are really what set the PT apart in the character -- and even the acting -- stakes. That said, Ewan does give a handsome performance across the three movies, convincingly portraying Obi-Wan's growth and dashing "Jedi Everyman" maturity in a way that helps sell the final act of the final movie. Even Lucas praises his performance on the commentary track when Obi-Wan tells Padme that Anakin has turned to the Dark Side. Basically, Obi-Wan is needed as the anchor, and Ewan delivers what the role requires with aplomb. He can just be a tad... surly outside of his character.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jun 10, 2021 19:34:13 GMT
You really have to commend the older actors like Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee and Liam Neeson for not having any trouble with or anything bad to say about greenscreen. They have been very professional about it. I think Natalie Portman also actually appreciated the work and called it the purest form of acting. Well, Natalie's comment could be considered a backhanded compliment. I suspect her real feelings are closer to Ewan's. As for Ewan himself: I think he has a different perspective, seeing as he came onboard as a genuine fan of the series, perhaps also believing he was getting to play a young and edgy version of Obi-Wan, when he was basically relegated into the role of a loyal, uptight squire in Episode I. That said, at least he was appearing with Liam Neeson: a great Irishman and a great Scot as the two most significant Jedi of all time! Furthermore, Ewan was the only principal cast member who never went to Tunisia, Italy, or Spain. The majority of his scenes were on soundstages. In Episode II, he did a lot of acting against cardboard place-holders, or in the arena, fending off invisible monsters. In Episode III, he rode Boga by basically sitting on a box surrounded by greenscreen, battled Hayden over a greenscreen landscape, and even the last scene of the movie, where Obi-Wan delivers baby Luke to the Lars, was done with greenscreen. Of course, there were also some sets built, and this is where Ewan's emphasis sounds a bit disingenuous. The Invisible Hand utilised a big set for the fight with Dooku (although Obi-Wan is out cold for most of it), there was that large Jedi briefing room set ("You missed the report on the Outer Rim sieges"), Padme's apartment (Ewan had a couple of scenes here), the scenes of Padme giving birth on Polis Massa, the discussion with Bail and Yoda about the twins on the Tantive IV (or Sundered Heart after retconning) -- and that's just Episode III, the one that Ewan has previously claimed was "all green screen". That might be true about Natalie, but at least she hasn't gone on record about it. She's been very professional and appreciative of her role, while Ewan sounds a bit ungrateful of the chance he was given. He wouldn't be acting in this new series without having been cast in the prequels. And like you point out, it was never just all green screen. He got to act with other actors and on real sets.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 10, 2021 20:07:46 GMT
That might be true about Natalie, but at least she hasn't gone on record about it. She's been very professional and appreciative of her role, while Ewan sounds a bit ungrateful of the chance he was given. I dunno. She did ruffle some feathers a few years ago when she seemed to take a shot at the way people perceived her in Episode I: Many sources reported the comments, including: The Independent
The Radio TimesDen Of GeekABC NewsThe New Zealand HeraldI've pulled those from the first page of Google results pertaining to "Natalie Portman" and "horrible actress" (I mean no direct correlation there ). Even Jonathan Rinzler suggested in one of his blog entries, and then deleted the comments, that Ewan and Natalie "had been wounded" -- which was then changed to " may have been wounded" -- by the negative reviews toward Episodes I and II. He also furnished us with a shining example of Ewan's personality, which he also deleted: So Ewan and Natalie -- a bit up themselves and not too fond of working on the prequels. The other actors, however, especially Samuel Jackson, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee, Ian McDiarmid, and Hayden Christensen, all seem grateful, and all seemed to ultimately get what Lucas was going for. Yep. He can be surly and sometimes comes across like he has a chip on his shoulder. Maybe Anakin was onto something in complaining about Obi-Wan and wanting to surpass him.
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Post by Samnz on Jun 10, 2021 20:30:30 GMT
I think Natalie's attitude did change over time, perhaps in part due to her experience on the Marvel movies and realizing that George did know what he was doing all along. I simply can't picture Ewan doing what Natalie did a few years ago on whatever American light night show it was when she dressed up as Queen Amidala again.
Nobody gets to beat Hayden, thought. He appears to be a great guy and I remember Rinzler applauded him in his book too.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 11, 2021 1:03:25 GMT
Ewan is Ewan, you know what get with him. The thing is, he is just not a filmmaker. He is no creative. He could never write or direct a film. He couldn't even produce a film, because he - apparently - neither has the knowledge nor the love for the actual process of making a movie. There is more to it than a bunch of actors standing in front of a set, reading stupid lines and it would be nice if Ewan would a least once acknowledge the work of hundreds of artists that went into the films that gave him the opportunity to star in that Disney show. I don't know if Ewan ever bothered to speak with someone like Christopher Lee about the matter. I don't know if he cares enough. I like Obi-Wan, but I never got the hype for the character. It's a good character, but I always thought Anakin and Padmè were more interesting and complex. And it's a shame that the actor who understood the Prequels the least actually got the best reception. Among all of them. Ewan actually directed American Pastoral: www.imdb.com/title/tt0376479/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_20I have never seen it, so I can't comment on the quality of the film. Although, apparently it didn't do well at the box office and he took that pretty hard. P.S. Out of all of the Prequel Trio, Hayden is the only one I would want to meet in person. Natalie and Ewan, I love them as actors, but as people they seem pretty unapproachable.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 11, 2021 2:27:10 GMT
Ewan is Ewan, you know what get with him. The thing is, he is just not a filmmaker. He is no creative. He could never write or direct a film. He couldn't even produce a film, because he - apparently - neither has the knowledge nor the love for the actual process of making a movie. There is more to it than a bunch of actors standing in front of a set, reading stupid lines and it would be nice if Ewan would a least once acknowledge the work of hundreds of artists that went into the films that gave him the opportunity to star in that Disney show. I don't know if Ewan ever bothered to speak with someone like Christopher Lee about the matter. I don't know if he cares enough. I like Obi-Wan, but I never got the hype for the character. It's a good character, but I always thought Anakin and Padmè were more interesting and complex. And it's a shame that the actor who understood the Prequels the least actually got the best reception. Among all of them. Ewan actually directed American Pastoral: www.imdb.com/title/tt0376479/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_20I have never seen it, so I can't comment on the quality of the film. Although, apparently it didn't do well at the box office and he took that pretty hard. Filmmaking's a tough gig. You'd think it might have given him a bit more sympathy for Lucas and the reception he got over the prequels. You reminded me that Ewan was also heavily involved in the documentary road-trip series "Long Way". Or three series, in fact: Long Way Round (2004-2005) Long Way Down (2007) Long Way Up (2020) His experiences on the first and second series, in particular, may well have coloured his perceptions toward the prequels and made him more cynical about them in time (the first series also overlaps with the shooting or re-shoot process on Episode III). Because, in a way, you're talking about polar opposites: a big-budget, sci-fi/fantasy melodrama heavily reliant on digital effects and post-production assembly, and a demanding, seat-of-your-pants real-world documentary travel series. The latter offering far more of the gruelling yet eye-opening "Call To Adventure" motif that Ewan, in his boyhood confusion, imagined he would perhaps experience, through some sort of psychological osmosis, by playing an iconic character in the elaborate backstory to the most famous work of escapism and boyish fantasy in the history of cinema. On top of that, Ewan has always had an honest and somewhat childish streak about him (neither being a bad thing), as captured in his red carpet reaction (for "Moulin Rouge") to being told the subtitle of Episode II: "Is that better than Phantom Menace? I dunno."I do like that video, though. Ewan is hard to dislike. He exudes a lot of charisma. This other video appears to be the very first time he was told the title, and seems to precede the moment captured above by only minutes: "Was it? Is that real? I don't know about that."That bloody grin, though!!! Love it. I think some of Ewan's prequel disdain ended up replacing his earlier enthusiasm (we've seen this with some fans, too). He did what Qui-Gon told him not to do: he focused on his anxieties. Probably after all the negative press, and factors like the above also playing a supporting role. It is, of course, a pretty big deal that he's playing Obi-Wan again, despite Disney/LFL's immodest emphasis on how much "better" their techniques are to Lucas' -- who did, after all, pave the way for everything his successors can now boast about doing.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 14, 2021 11:59:34 GMT
Should we start a new thread on Ewan McGregor's (and Natalie Portman too) relationship with the prequels or Star Wars over the years?
I would like to keep this thread focused on the new series (casting, crew, story, characters, themes etc), as opposed to (and not a bad one either) a look back memory lane. Your recent posts provoke a lot of good conversation though
Sidenote: The "Actors on Actors" series is the most smug, self-congratulatory, pompous, cringe-inducing, celebrity-worshipping trite going. Or, to use the internet lingo: a "circle jerk" extraordinaire.
Edit: I realise a discussion on his relationship with prequels may be unavoidable given his constant negative comparisons to the them in the press for the show. I can only hope to God that Christensen doesn't engage in this nonsense, and there's no doubt interviewers will try to bait him. The cult of celebrity worship is very valid here because its implications are that McGregor isn't challenged by the mere mortal peasant that is the interviewer.
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 14, 2021 12:49:22 GMT
It's not true. Natalie Portman studied in Harvard and had to decline some roles even, because everyone wanted to work with her. (Where the Heart Is, Garden State, GG nomination in 2000 - a year after TPM...)
And then Mike Nichols put her into the Cold Mountain... Damn, even the acting style is the same.
Cold Mountain was filmed in July 2002 - November 2002 and AOTC was released in May 2002.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 14, 2021 12:56:14 GMT
Should we start a new thread on Ewan McGregor's (and Natalie Portman too) relationship with the prequels or Star Wars over the years? Oh, definitely. It could create some tension, though. People are funny about actors and in the way(s) they personally connect to characters. A totally reasonable aim. I could see the thread was already straying. On that note: What does everyone make of the news that Liam Neeson supposedly hasn't been approached to be in the new series? naboonews.com/2021/06/10/qui-gon-actor-liam-neeson-says-he-hasnt-been-approached-for-star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi/Anthony thinks that Liam might be covering: And if you watch the clip, when it gets to that part, well, I wouldn't call Liam's answer especially serious: (If you aren't keen on Jimmy Kimmel, skip to 6:43) The added problem with the clip of Ewan you're referring to is that he is being "interviewed" by Pedro Pascal -- not the most impartial or ideologically-relaxed of fellows, given his Twitter outpourings and the fact he plays the lead character on "The Mandalorian". It's not in his makeup, or his contract, to criticise Disney or stand up for the prequels in any way. Of course, one wishes he would at least attempt the latter, but nobody working at LFL/Disney appears to have any backbone whatsoever.
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Post by Samnz on Jun 14, 2021 14:18:45 GMT
I feel bad for derailing the thread even further, but what do you mean with Pascal's Twitter outpourings? I don't follow Twitter and have no idea... Does it relate to Star Wars (and the PT)? To redeem my post: I still think Liam Neeson appearing in the Obi-Wan show is possible, regardless of what he said.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 14, 2021 15:04:10 GMT
I feel bad for derailing the thread even further, but what do you mean with Pascal's Twitter outpourings? I don't follow Twitter and have no idea... Does it relate to Star Wars (and the PT)? He isn't shy of expressing his opinions, which was obvious in the run-up to the last presidential election. His fanatical intolerance of the conservative right in America, even if I'm sympathetic to his views, may have played a role in Gina Carano, one of his co-stars, being swiftly booted from the show and disavowed by Lucasfilm with a tersely-worded public statement. Oh, it's very possible. Liam is probably playing a game here. In fact, years ago, at the 16th annual Palm Springs Film Festival in January 2005, he was equally cagey about returning as Qui-Gon for ROTS: Of course, Lucas didn't include the scene of Yoda speaking with Qui-Gon (only a snippet remains of Yoda meditating before being interrupted by Bail Organa on Polis Massa), but he was clearly thinking of retaining that exchange until late in the process. Moreover, Liam has previously returned to Star Wars to voice Qui-Gon, playing him in several episodes of "The Clone Wars", and again, more recently, as a disembodied voice in "The Rise Of Skywalker": starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Liam_Neeson
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 14, 2021 17:31:48 GMT
Definitely a strange development if Liam is telling the truth about not being on the show. His Force Ghost interactions with Obi-Wan are integral to the character's development. In terms of Hayden promoting the show, he's always been very consistent in his public appearance. At SW Celebration 2017 (I think that was the year he was there), he said a lot of the same things he said while promoting the Prequels back in the day. And 2017 is obviously post-Lucas, so he could have gotten away with talking crap about the Prequels if he felt like it.
I will be surprised if he changes tune now. I imagine he will re-iterate how grateful he is just to be a part of Star Wars like he usually does.
In terms of the show itself, I am really, really wondering if Obi-Wan is going to have to go off Tatooine at some point, and encounters Vader, and that is when he learns that Anakin has survived all of these years. There are many possibilities. Maybe Obi-Wan can even sense Vader's survival through the Force? Although, Ahsoka was not able to sense this, so I don't know why it would be different for Obi-Wan.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 14, 2021 17:53:17 GMT
Definitely a strange development if Liam is telling the truth about not being on the show. His Force Ghost interactions with Obi-Wan are integral to the character's development. That's a very good point -- and not using Ewan and Liam, when they're still around and apparently keen, would be exceptionally wasteful/negligent on Disney/LFL's part. Key sentence there. I don't know. I imagine some of it being done through vision/dream sequences. After all, while nothing is ever set in stone with Star Wars, Vader's dialogue to Obi-Wan on the Death Star does strongly imply they haven't seen each other for years. However, I can imagine them trying to do some surgery on that dialogue and recontextualise it to mean that this is the first time Vader is openly talking to (or at) Obi-Wan -- perhaps, prior to this engagement, they have an encounter or two, but they're partially separated and Vader is either unable or unwilling to speak during those encounters.
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