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Post by truestarwarsnerd01 on Dec 15, 2019 5:18:06 GMT
Hello, fellow Lucas lovers, Star Wars fans and Prequel Trilogy fans. I’m new here and I thought, since there aren’t a lot of warm feelings towards The Mandalorian and The Rise of Skywalker (even though I think the former will end up turning out better than the latter), we could HOPEFULLY talk positively and happily about something Star Wars-related that hopefully we can all get behind come early next year... THE RETURN OF STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS ON DISNEY+ IN FEBRUARY 2020 FOR IT’S SEVENTH AND FINAL SEASON! YAY! ew.com/tv/2019/08/23/clone-wars-final-season-date/amp/So, as we await the series’ LONG awaited return, what are you most looking forward to seeing in the final 12 episodes, which will be three four part arcs (Bad Batch in it’s finished form, Ahsoka in the Underworld, and The Siege of Mandalore), of the series? And what are your favorite episodes of The Clone Wars? Post comments down below and I’d be happy to chime in on what I think of your answers. Thank you. MTFBWY. Always.
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Post by tonyg on Dec 15, 2019 11:18:45 GMT
Welcome to the forum! I'm not the biggest fan of the show mostly for the portrayal of Anakin and Padme there but there is some things I like. Ahsoka in the first place. She is the best character there in my opinion and it is a pity we couldn't see her in the live movies.
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Post by truestarwarsnerd01 on Dec 15, 2019 12:55:59 GMT
Welcome to the forum! I'm not the biggest fan of the show mostly for the portrayal of Anakin and Padme there but there is some things I like. Ahsoka in the first place. She is the best character there in my opinion and it is a pity we couldn't see her in the live movies. Regarding not seeing Ahsoka in the live movies, that may actually be about to change in a few days...
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Post by Alexrd on Dec 15, 2019 22:00:36 GMT
I don't know about any warm feelings about TROS. But regarding TCW, sadly it doesn't seem that it's going to be completely faithful to the stories and scripts they've created with Lucas, since completely needless and pointless changes have been confirmed. How many of them exist remains to be seen.
What should have been (to me) something to be excited about has unfortunately turned into mild curiosity...
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Dec 16, 2019 0:31:30 GMT
portrayal of Anakin and Padme
I thought they did a great job on this front, especially in the first 3-4 seasons when it was a higher priority. You see them as a functioning couple, with the ups and downs of anyone in real-life. Did you expect him to be talking about his mother all the time? Also, fun fact: George Lucas's stamp of approval is on all of it.
Is that you, Alessio?
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Post by truestarwarsnerd01 on Dec 16, 2019 5:27:38 GMT
portrayal of Anakin and Padme
I thought they did a great job on this front, especially in the first 3-4 seasons when it was a higher priority. You see them as a functioning couple, with the ups and downs of anyone in real-life. Did you expect him to be talking about his mother all the time? Also, fun fact: George Lucas's stamp of approval is on all of it.
Is that you, Alessio?
Alessio? Who is he; this man, this Alessio that you speak of? Is he Spanish? Or is he Italian? Does he have grace? Is he a lover or a fighter? What powers does he think he has over you? I don’t think the name rings a bell. Remind me who this “Alessio” is, because I don’t know anyone named him. There could be a million other people with his name and you wouldn’t know which one is which.
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Post by truestarwarsnerd01 on Dec 16, 2019 5:38:20 GMT
I don't know about any warm feelings about TROS. But regarding TCW, sadly it doesn't seem that it's going to be completely faithful to the stories and scripts they've created with Lucas, since completely needless and pointless changes have been confirmed. How many of them exist remains to be seen. What should have been (to me) something to be excited about has unfortunately turned into mild curiosity... I don’t know if I’d say I will agree with you that they’re “pointless” until we see the final episodes, you should probably give it a fair shot and not unfairly judge the changes until we see them. Filoni has been known to say Now, if you tell me what those changes, or as I would call them “tweaks”, are, I’d be happy to talk about them with you, but, I’ve only read stories of one: and that would be taking out Nyx Okami and reworking him into the two sisters (Trace and Raffa Martez). From what I read about these changes in interviews, and I could be wrong but I will wait until we hear more before we know what is what, this was all Filoni’s choice (not people who believe it was because of Kathy Kennedy’s so-called “female or gender/identity politics”) because he feels he can make the stories BETTER. And, I believe him because he’s always talked about making The Clone Wars better when he was at panels for Clone Wars at Celebration; he said that at the Season 5 panel when he said “we always sit down in a writer’s room with George and figure out how to make this season really good and then next season, we have to figure how to one up and make it better”. Also, I can assume, being you hate Disney’s Sequel Trilogy, that you don’t like TFA for being a rehash of A New Hope. Well, one could make an argument that Ahsoka/Nyx would’ve been a rehash of Ahsoka/Lux, so, you can’t go in wanting one rehash of a subplot and not accepting a rehash of a movie. In other words, beggars can’t be choosers. And, Nyx Okami was created by Filoni, not George Lucas, per the Ahsoka’s Untold Tales panel at Celebration Europe 2016, so, it’s his right to change it if he wants to and another repeat same beats and, as he says, “take the Easy way out”. Is that the only change or is it something else I’m missing? Because that was the only change I’ve read the stories about. Also, I don’t know if I’d say they’re unfaithful to Lucas’s vision because, if we have any assumption based on this pic of The Clone Wars’ 10th Anniversary screening at Lucasfilm of George Lucas with Dave Filoni and David Collins (https://www.lucasfilm.com/app/uploads/masthead-960x383.jpg), I would like to believe this pic is at least a sign that Filoni might have at least seeked approval from George and shown him this change before proceeding. And, there’s also this quote from Filoni, in the latest issue of Disney’s D23 magazine, that his intentions of improving the story are not in bad faith and are noble: “One of the first things I had to do was go back and get all of my old notebooks out, read the things that George [Lucas] and I had been talking about several years ago... I wanted to make sure that we could do it the right way. I’m really pleased with the results of these episodes. I wanted to take the biggest swing that we could, and make it the greatest that it could be.” Does this quote really sound like he made these changes for no reason without consulting with George before proceeding and with evil intentions? Because it kind of looks like the opposite to me. U tell me.
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Post by tonyg on Dec 16, 2019 7:41:29 GMT
portrayal of Anakin and Padme
I thought they did a great job on this front, especially in the first 3-4 seasons when it was a higher priority. You see them as a functioning couple, with the ups and downs of anyone in real-life. Did you expect him to be talking about his mother all the time? Also, fun fact: George Lucas's stamp of approval is on all of it.
Is that you, Alessio?
No, their portrayal-as couple- is of two teens hanging around carefree as there is no war, secret marriage and so on. Anakin and Padme couldn't act like the couple from just around the corner, for several reasons, their relationship is more like this of Tristan and Isolde. The dramatic, doomed feeling of the live movies is missing. But I had in mind not their relationship but more their characters as a whole. I miss the melancholic, James Dean-y vibe of the live movie Anakin but of course this is animated show and so, couldn't be so dramatic. Anyway, this thread should be the appreciation, not the critics about TCW, so I have to ask: you have heard leaks that Ahsoka would appear in the Mandalorian?!
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Dec 16, 2019 21:07:41 GMT
I haven't engaged in debates with you on Naboo News, so there's been no insults for me to get offended by. I have, however, observed your tussles with others, which extends beyond just Cryogenic and Alexrd.
Okay, now you actually have insulted me, and that's out of line. Honestly, if you have to resort to those tactics, then you've lost.
Also: we're not all wishing doom on the upcoming Clone Wars. If you'd been paying attention to us on Naboo News, you'd realised that some of us (like me) are really looking forward to it. Do I have concerns? Yes, I'm appalled that it's only coming back for 12 episodes, given the long time they've been working on it. If you want to start declaring anything "crumby", then you have more legitimate target there.
If you'd offer me to opportunity of 10 more seasons of Clones Wars, but with a catch of zero movies in that period, I'd gladly accept. That is what the Clone Wars animation means to me, and I'm sure many others too.
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Post by Cryogenic on Dec 17, 2019 10:51:25 GMT
You know what, Alexrd , Cryogenic and ArchdukeOfNaboo ? Fine. You’re right. You got me. Alright. I’m Alessio Pasquali. You got me. I’m the guy who’s been insulting you for the past year. And, I’m the guy who just won’t go away. You caught me.
I haven't engaged in debates with you on Naboo News, so there's been no insults for me to get offended by. I have, however, observed your tussles with others, which extends beyond just Cryogenic and Alexrd. Give people the courtesy of a day to respond. None of us have any right to expect an immediate reply. This isn't WhatsApp - it's an old-fashioned forum and people invested here tend to do so through a desktop or laptop, which doesn't mean alerts. Cryogenic will get back to you in time, don't worry, though it's worth noting he hasn't seen the Clone Wars yet, so may be unlikely to visit here for fear of spoilers. Thank you, Arch Duke. Thank you for, first of all, for coming to my defence, and second: for summing things up correctly and in your typical perspicuous manner. truestarwarsnerd01 : I don't really care who you are. I'm not even sure why you tagged me. I didn't call you out or even respond in this thread. I'm only responding now because you tagged me. I'm not really too interested in "outing" people. That generally isn't my style. Maybe when younger, a bit, but these days, I generally take a "live and let live" philosophy around with me. I don't recall petitioning for you to be banned on Naboo News. In fact, in the past, when you were banned on some of your earlier accounts, the webmaster deleted everything, including my own responses to you -- some of which were long. I wasn't in favour of that. But it's also not my website. If other people have a problem with you, it might be because you tend to impatiently belittle them and run them down. You ambush and hector them and demand unreasonable things of them, and claim unreasonable things of them, regardless of what they've said or not said to you, and irrespective of how long you've given them to respond or consider how best to reply. Sort of as you've done in this thread: I wasn't able to put in a reply, till now, as Arch Duke said, because I was busy with other items (going to work, catching up on lost sleep, eating, grooming, cleaning, reading other material, responding to Arch Duke on Naboo News, and working on my own detailed response to something -- a prequel-bashing review that I'm rebutting, and which I'm soon to post to this community). People have their own lives. You can't expect an immediate reply on here. If people are able to respond (and willing), then they will. You need to give them time. Moreover, not everyone cares to the same degree about the same stuff. I haven't seen "The Clone Wars", as of this writing, so I can't really comment on TCW material. Plus, as Arch Duke said, if I hover over a TCW thread, I'm at risk of encountering spoiler material. So I have my own reasons for not bothering with such items. You have your right to your opinions -- opinions are free, after all. However, unwarranted personal attacks are another matter. We can't always be expected to get along with one another, but we should make some basic attempt to try. You won't get very far constantly bitching at others and tearing them down. That will only result in more animosity and more opposition to your presence. That said, it probably wasn't fair that you were being called out in this thread. I think you're entitled to a fresh start on Naberrie Fields. We try to make this a welcoming place, free of censorship and accusation. But that's also a two-way street. If you want people to take you seriously, you need to treat them seriously -- and respectfully -- in return. Good luck with your thread. It is surely an exciting one for TCW addicts. In time, the boards may get more active, and you may get a few more responses. But insults aren't fair; and they certainly aren't friendly. That's not the atmosphere we're trying to create here. If it helps, remember the forum name and pretend you're on Naboo. That's the basic idea. Thanks. That's a good example of civil disagreement. But as we differ, so shall we stand united -- as prequel fans and fellows of Naberrie Fields. Not, if we can help it, as combatants and enemies. There are other boards that run that way, but they're more like Tatooine. Here, we strive to be a bit more open and accepting. Of course, no-one is perfect. So, please, take heed of Arch Duke's words and my own, Alessio. Consider the basic premise of where you're posting and try to be a little more "Jedi". Thanks.
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Post by M-I-D-1E on Dec 19, 2019 4:00:04 GMT
Socks and Puppets creating more socks and puppets? “Machines making machines”. I appreciate TCW for seducing fans into the prequels, sometimes making them having a full on affair. We should be delighted of this fact, not hateful. The witch will die soon including all of her infected, so enjoy the mouse-pire, don’t reject it! Enjoy the House Of Mouse while you still can before the ban! Soon, men and animals will realize that they drove away God. And when they cry for his return, he will say no.
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Post by M-I-D-1E on Dec 19, 2019 4:02:09 GMT
Cryogenic“I'm not really too interested in "outing" people. That generally isn't my style. Maybe when younger” Does younger mean last year? I kid I kid!
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Dec 23, 2019 19:08:48 GMT
TCW kinda stepped on the continuity between AOTC and ROTS where Anakin and Dooku meet again (My powers have doubled since we last met, count - what, last week?), and again Sidious and Yoda (I've been waiting for this moment for a long time, my little green friend - you mean since Season 6?) So if there's any way they can retcon or explain these utterances in Episode 3, I will be very pleased.
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Post by truestarwarsnerd01 on Dec 23, 2019 20:03:03 GMT
TCW kinda stepped on the continuity between AOTC and ROTS where Anakin and Dooku meet again (My powers have doubled since we last met, count - what, last week?), and again Sidious and Yoda (I've been waiting for this moment for a long time, my little green friend - you mean since Season 6?) So if there's any way they can retcon or explain these utterances in Episode 3, I will be very pleased. The fight between Yoda and Sidious in Season 6 was more like a fight that was in their minds. The last time Anakin and Dooku would’ve met was in The Lost One which would’ve been at the beginning of 19BBY where as Revenge Of the Sith takes place at the end of 19BBY. So, that’s my way of seeing it.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Dec 23, 2019 20:19:20 GMT
TCW kinda stepped on the continuity between AOTC and ROTS where Anakin and Dooku meet again (My powers have doubled since we last met, count - what, last week?), and again Sidious and Yoda (I've been waiting for this moment for a long time, my little green friend - you mean since Season 6?) So if there's any way they can retcon or explain these utterances in Episode 3, I will be very pleased. The fight between Yoda and Sidious in Season 6 was more like a fight that was in their minds. The last time Anakin and Dooku would’ve met was in The Lost One which would’ve been at the beginning of 19BBY where as Revenge Of the Sith takes place at the end of 19BBY. So, that’s my way of seeing it. Okay, see, I didn't know that. They could still add a bit more development of his powers to justify that line. And of course avoid further hints at Sidious's identity and a forthcoming Order 66, or something to distract or obscure them, so the Jedi don't seem quite so dumb in Ep 3. Of course, I could always go for a bit more... Jar Jar.
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Post by jtn90 on Jan 20, 2020 20:17:57 GMT
Having The Clone Wars about returning,I seen some coments from different people on twitter or Youtube,reminding me some articles posted some years ago, that make obvious there still are prequel haters among the TCW fans,I'm talking about the people who say things like:
-"TCW redeemed the prequels","TCW fixed the prequels", -"TCW is the prequel we should have got", -"TCW is the best Star Wars product since the Original trilogy", -"Anakin in TCW is a better and more likeable character than Anakin in the PT,they are completely different characters", -"The prequels are only loved because TCW", -"the people who worked on TCW should have made the PT".
I love TCW as many of the Star Wars fans,but That kind of comments about trashing the PT to praise TCW are,in my opinion,poisonous,becuase they are turning a series based on the prequel trilogy against its source material,wich is something unacceptable.Because it could make prequel fans get a bit of hate toward TCW,dividing more the fandom.
In my opinion,what they call "fix" I call it "expand",TCW does a good work expanding the themes and concepts that are already in The Prequel Trilogy,without the Prequel Trilogy the Clone wars wouldn't exist,or be like it actually is.
What is your opinion about this subject?
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Post by jppiper on Jan 20, 2020 20:44:53 GMT
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jan 20, 2020 22:23:53 GMT
I already loved TPM and AotC, though, as some of you know, I didn't like RotS much for awhile. So the way I describe it is; because TCW was everything I'd imagined in my head growing up in the '80s and so much more, it got me more intrigued and I felt compelled to to look deeper into the nuances of the PT. I mean, as much I liked the PT I couldn't have explained the politics if someone had asked me, for example. And naturally in the process I also grew to understand and love RotS too. TCW was a gateway drug, if you will, to the expansion of my PT/Prequel Era fandom, so yes, expand is a good word. That said, I grew to appreciate the PT 'so much' (Anakin voice) that I mind-edit Christensen's Anakin over Lantner's when he's on screen, and in my memories of the episodes. Honestly I was really floored by the series *taps chest with fist. And it was the catalyst that propelled me back into SW full swing, and led me to TFN, and it was conversations with the folks there (most of whom are now here) that got me where I am today. So, thank you TCW crew, GL and our gang. Btw, one of the multitude of things I love about the CW micro series is their portrayal of Anakin. It's not the film Anakin exactly, but it's kind of close enough, if you know what I mean.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 21, 2020 1:20:40 GMT
I don't think anyone has called it more memorably than M-I-D-1E :
To that I would add: many divorce papers were later served
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 22, 2020 22:39:12 GMT
I've gotta say it's looking very impressive!
More on The Clone Wars here:
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