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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 17, 2022 22:13:31 GMT
Leia feeding the baby animal is definitely the female moment of the OT.
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Post by Ingram on May 17, 2022 22:20:27 GMT
There's merit to this, I think, and as you further detail. If Attack of the Clones is the feminine then Return of the Jedi for various reasons is perhaps the masculine.
Never thought of ROTJ of this way, actually. I think the fact that in it Leia finds her femenine side (not the bikini moment, is her peaceful contact with the Ewok community and her connection to her brother and her beloved that flourished then that makes the magic) make this movie gentle enough despite the hard events and all the death that happened. Well, masculine, not macho. Episode II is texturally soft and flowing, bucolic in color, watery, pensive, pained; chaste yet relenting. There's a lotta "fabric softener" and erotic lighting in that movie. It's courtly and conversational, its narrative hinging on missions of discretion and retreats. Episode VI by contrast is more of an outdoors 'eagle-has-landed' boys mission ...Oriental pirates and wilderness natives, and an Air Force movie.
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Post by tonyg on May 17, 2022 22:40:04 GMT
Never thought of ROTJ of this way, actually. I think the fact that in it Leia finds her femenine side (not the bikini moment, is her peaceful contact with the Ewok community and her connection to her brother and her beloved that flourished then that makes the magic) make this movie gentle enough despite the hard events and all the death that happened. Well, masculine, not macho. Episode II is texturally soft and flowing, bucolic in color, watery, pensive, pained; chaste yet relenting. There's a lotta "fabric softener" and erotic lighting in that movie. It's courtly and conversational, its narrative hinging on missions of discretion and retreats. Episode VI by contrast is more of an outdoors 'eagle-has-landed' boys mission ...Oriental pirates and wilderness natives, and an Air Force movie.
Yes, indeed AOTC is soft. And frankly, I almost forgot the gangsta sequence of ROTJ because of it's strange, two-part structure. In this aspect there is another detail in the "fabric" of AOTC I like. AOTC is movie based on contrasts (in harmony with it's feminine vibe). But is interesting how these contrasts are build mostly on the base of similarities, especially regarding the world building. Many would say that the opposite planet of Naboo is Tattoine as the first one is full of water and the other one is the reign of the sand. Not in this movie. The opposition of Naboo is Kamino: again a water planet which is secretive, with hostile weather and the birthplace of an army (i.e. killing machine) and Naboo is soft, friendly and the birthplace of love. AOTC is filled with such kind of contrasts that make it even more cinematically rich.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 18, 2022 2:11:20 GMT
I had a good feeling about what Hayden would bring to this press tour, and boy oh boy did that feeling not steer me wrong. He's always had the most positive attitude, it seems, out of virtually any prequel cast member, even including the likes of Liam Neeson, Ian McDiarmid, and Ahmed Best. Although, I award those guys pretty high marks, too. But it's somehow more significant when it's the young Canadian heartthrob, playing the central character, who legitimately thinks the prequels hold up and isn't afraid to gush enthusiasm for them -- especially when he was so often the subject of fanboy derision himself. There is unrest in the Galactic Senate. Several thousand solar systems have declared their intentions to leave the Republic.
This separatist movement, under the leadership of the mysterious Count Dooku, has made it difficult for the limited number of Jedi Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy.
Senator Amidala, the former Queen of Naboo, is returning to the Galactic Senate to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to assist the overwhelmed
Jedi.... Lesser amount of punch compared to crawls that would follow, but for good reason. Thoughts? "Army" is something of a theme-word in Episode II, it's repetition and use.
"This army is for the Republic" Oh, brother... You'll start Pyrogenic off on that one!!! It's a sleepy crawl. Life is but a dream. It kinda reads like Mace Windu or Qui-Gon Jinn explaining the plot to a young Anakin. "They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force." Attack of the Clones was my gateway to Star Wars Y'know, it's quite the gateway in general. The EPISODE II numeral alone is extremely beguiling -- reminiscent of Thomas Young's famous double-slit experiment or the Pillars of Hercules. Anakin, the film's central character, even stands between a pair of pillars at a critical turning point in the story: And in the next scene, Obi-Wan uses another double-pillar arrangement in an attempt to lasso his prey: -- the bounty hunter Jango Fett -- on a slippery water world. In this establishing wide shot, you can see the various pillars that are about to come into play: Jango even perches himself over a double light-panel and tries to knock Obi-Wan off-balance: And the two men end up falling off the landing platform and precariously toward the vast ocean below -- through, yep, another (illuminated) double-pillar: You can see there are even other double-line symbols dotted around. As there are in many scenes in Star Wars. They're literally everywhere. Pause and reflect. Also: Seeing Jango getting molested by Obi-Wan on a water planet, and then the out-of-control reek on a desert world, is worth the price of admission by itself. Yee-igggh-bler-igggh-grrgh-ifggh.
Yes, AOTC also has plenty of satisfying sounds in it. Oh, and another reason that AOTC is awesome and all arguments to the contrary are invalid. This shot: AOTC is just full of beautiful, weird, goofy, funny, gorgeous, exotic, trippy, wacked-out-digital-shit shots -- "It's so dense..."AOTC is still my favorite SW movie and I often rewatch it. Astonishingly beautiful, incredible world building, very complex and interesting story and yes, I like the love story arc. AOTC indeed has very strong feminine vibe in it and is not because of the romance itself it is like the main thread of the movie, the boiling emotions (of any kind), the complexity of the world building and the story. While it includes one of the most intensive battle of SW, its pace is somehow slower than other SW movies, more melancholic in a way. The duels of AOTC are more like dances or dialogues if I can say so, not exactly battles. I like also the strong motive of masters and apprentices relationship that is maybe more emphasized here than in other movies. I've long thought that AOTC has not only an odd pace and melancholic tone (sandwiched, as it is, between the deceptive innocence of TPM and the Dantean tragedy of ROTS), but an incisive and curiously cynical (almost social-realism) take on mentorship and the conflict between the generations. All that giddy emphasis on falling is very symbolically powerful, too. But above all, you underline what a surprise and a wonder AOTC is, due to its many interlocking layers and the peculiarly "feminine" qualities you mention. That's right. It's a perfect middle movie: as conflicted, as multifarious, as steely, as cunning, and as brash and unapologetic as Anakin himself. And in the perpetual process of becoming. Funny, people praise the original film (ANH) for placing a viewer in the story in media res (i.e., in the middle of things), but this is exactly what AOTC does -- what it embodies. Only, in AOTC, the flashbacks that typify a media res narrative are occurring in the characters' own heads. They're all torn by their pasts and conflicted about their futures. A most maddening mix. It's the one Star Wars film that, in many ways, celebrates the crazy chaos of the human condition the best.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 18, 2022 11:41:58 GMT
I had a good feeling about what Hayden would bring to this press tour, and boy oh boy did that feeling not steer me wrong. He's always had the most positive attitude, it seems, out of virtually any prequel cast member, even including the likes of Liam Neeson, Ian McDiarmid, and Ahmed Best. Although, I award those guys pretty high marks, too. But it's somehow more significant when it's the young Canadian heartthrob, playing the central character, who legitimately thinks the prequels hold up and isn't afraid to gush enthusiasm for them -- especially when he was so often the subject of fanboy derision himself. There is unrest in the Galactic Senate. Several thousand solar systems have declared their intentions to leave the Republic.
This separatist movement, under the leadership of the mysterious Count Dooku, has made it difficult for the limited number of Jedi Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy.
Senator Amidala, the former Queen of Naboo, is returning to the Galactic Senate to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to assist the overwhelmed
Jedi.... Lesser amount of punch compared to crawls that would follow, but for good reason. Thoughts? "Army" is something of a theme-word in Episode II, it's repetition and use.
"This army is for the Republic" Oh, brother... You'll start Pyrogenic off on that one!!! It's a sleepy crawl. Life is but a dream. It kinda reads like Mace Windu or Qui-Gon Jinn explaining the plot to a young Anakin. "They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force." Attack of the Clones was my gateway to Star Wars Y'know, it's quite the gateway in general. The EPISODE II numeral alone is extremely beguiling -- reminiscent of Thomas Young's famous double-slit experiment or the Pillars of Hercules. Anakin, the film's central character, even stands between a pair of pillars at a critical turning point in the story: And in the next scene, Obi-Wan uses another double-pillar arrangement in an attempt to lasso his prey: -- the bounty hunter Jango Fett -- on a slippery water world. In this establishing wide shot, you can see the various pillars that are about to come into play: Jango even perches himself over a double light-panel and tries to knock Obi-Wan off-balance: And the two men end up falling off the landing platform and precariously toward the vast ocean below -- through, yep, another (illuminated) double-pillar: You can see there are even other double-line symbols dotted around. As there are in many scenes in Star Wars. They're literally everywhere. Pause and reflect. Also: Seeing Jango getting molested by Obi-Wan on a water planet, and then the out-of-control reek on a desert world, is worth the price of admission by itself. Yee-igggh-bler-igggh-grrgh-ifggh.
Yes, AOTC also has plenty of satisfying sounds in it. Oh, and another reason that AOTC is awesome and all arguments to the contrary are invalid. This shot: AOTC is just full of beautiful, weird, goofy, funny, gorgeous, exotic, trippy, wacked-out-digital-shit shots -- "It's so dense..."AOTC is still my favorite SW movie and I often rewatch it. Astonishingly beautiful, incredible world building, very complex and interesting story and yes, I like the love story arc. AOTC indeed has very strong feminine vibe in it and is not because of the romance itself it is like the main thread of the movie, the boiling emotions (of any kind), the complexity of the world building and the story. While it includes one of the most intensive battle of SW, its pace is somehow slower than other SW movies, more melancholic in a way. The duels of AOTC are more like dances or dialogues if I can say so, not exactly battles. I like also the strong motive of masters and apprentices relationship that is maybe more emphasized here than in other movies. I've long thought that AOTC has not only an odd pace and melancholic tone (sandwiched, as it is, between the deceptive innocence of TPM and the Dantean tragedy of ROTS), but an incisive and curiously cynical (almost social-realism) take on mentorship and the conflict between the generations. All that giddy emphasis on falling is very symbolically powerful, too. But above all, you underline what a surprise and a wonder AOTC is, due to its many interlocking layers and the peculiarly "feminine" qualities you mention. That's right. It's a perfect middle movie: as conflicted, as multifarious, as steely, as cunning, and as brash and unapologetic as Anakin himself. And in the perpetual process of becoming. Funny, people praise the original film (ANH) for placing a viewer in the story in media res (i.e., in the middle of things), but this is exactly what AOTC does -- what it embodies. Only, in AOTC, the flashbacks that typify a media res narrative are occurring in the characters' own heads. They're all torn by their pasts and conflicted about their futures. A most maddening mix. It's the one Star Wars film that, in many ways, celebrates the crazy chaos of the human condition the best. I think the late Christopher Lee was definitely up there with Hayden as the most positive cast member about his experience with the prequels. I always admired his professional attitude and comments on the subject of blue/green screen acting. I like how he likens it to a magic trick, because to me there's definitely something magical about seeing something completely made up, that is bursting with imagination like Lucas' creations. Speaking of gateways, my favorite shot in AotC and probably all of Star Wars has always been the moment when Anakin and Padmé are taken to the Geonosian arena. While Anakin and Padmé pledge to each other, this must have been when I pledged myself to Star Wars, a love that has never truly ceased since even though I have put it on pause once or twice. Despite getting lost sometimes, I always come back to the good side, like Anakin at the end. I was once led astray and put my fandom on hold for a couple years, until the 3D rerelease of TPM which brought me back. But AotC was instrumental in reasserting my fanhood as well, since it was the first film I watched once I purchased The Complete Saga set. Coupled with John Williams' exquisite music, the scene gives an epic feeling like no other. The film was already mind-blowing enough, but this part really felt like taking a step into a larger world. The expansiveness of the arena, bursting with alien creatures in the audience gawking at our captive heroes, is just wondrous. Then when Yoda arrives with the clone army and we fly over the arena into a larger view of the Geonosian landscape, we realize that that epic arena battle was just an appetizer for the huge opening battle of the Clone Wars. Then our heroes run through another gateway into the third and final stage of the battle, to duel Count Dooku. This is a very understated duel in comparison to the other two of the prequels, sandwiched between the mythic Duel of the Fates and the apocalyptic Battle of the Heroes. Still, it's a very important trial for Anakin, who suffers another loss just after the death of his mother.
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Post by Samnz on May 18, 2022 11:50:23 GMT
That page has some great pictures included, my favourite of which has got to be the last one: (I believe this image, or a similar one with Anakin meditating in the same position with his eyes closed, was first released on Hyperspace, the members-only area of the official site, many years ago. Looks to be a frame from a deleted scene, not an on-set photograph. Note the digital noise and Anakin reaching for his saber.) This image makes it look like Anakin's got an angel's wings. He is Star Wars' equivalent of a fallen angel, after all. I also like Hayden's comments about how he found a good working relationship with George. Happy Birthday, Attack Of The Clones. When I am honest to myself, you're my favourite of them all.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 18, 2022 15:59:20 GMT
If only you could also edit George into that gif. It would bring a whole new level to smoothness.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 18, 2022 21:32:29 GMT
I don't believe these are actual stills from the film, the colour palette is completely wrong, but they're not really behind the scenes either, as the actors are in character, so I guess they'll have to go here.
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Post by Ingram on May 18, 2022 21:45:00 GMT
I don't believe these are actual stills from the film, the colour palette is completely wrong, but they're not really behind the scenes either, as the actors are in character, so I guess they'll have to go here.
They were just staging different camera setups, looking for the right angles and whatnot. The shots we're seeing are in fact from the principle photography camera only sans the color timing that follows in post. It's a common process, more so with digital as you can explore staging with direct playback and without burning up precious film.
Kinda interesting that way in how, particularly with the first image, we're privy to a nominally different angle of a scene, a moment, closer to how it exists in the movie. Almost voyeuristic, like we shouldn't be spying a private moment.
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Post by Alexrd on May 19, 2022 16:26:26 GMT
I always admired his professional attitude and comments on the subject of blue/green screen acting. I like how he likens it to a magic trick, because to me there's definitely something magical about seeing something completely made up, that is bursting with imagination like Lucas' creations. I never understood the complaints from certain "professionals" about the difficulty of acting against bluescreen. I mean, it's acting at its most basic level. Acting is playing pretend and they find it difficult? They might be in the wrong line of work.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 19, 2022 16:53:30 GMT
Speaking of gateways, my favorite shot in AotC and probably all of Star Wars has always been the moment when Anakin and Padmé are taken to the Geonosian arena. While Anakin and Padmé pledge to each other, this must have been when I pledged myself to Star Wars, a love that has never truly ceased since even though I have put it on pause once or twice. Despite getting lost sometimes, I always come back to the good side, like Anakin at the end. I was once led astray and put my fandom on hold for a couple years, until the 3D rerelease of TPM which brought me back. But AotC was instrumental in reasserting my fanhood as well, since it was the first film I watched once I purchased The Complete Saga set. Very nice. It's possible to tire of anything -- even Star Wars. But it's weird how AOTC, perhaps more than any other SW movie, serves as a reminder and a clarion call for what's so compelling and addictive about the franchise (or the Lucas Saga, at least) in the first place. It's so goofy, so gauche, so gorgeous. And hell, if you're suddenly finding it fugly, it just means your brain wants you to pay attention to the other episodes again. Then back to AOTC you return and all is right with the world again -- or only as right as AOTC paints the world to be. I mean, look at this image: It's got all the Freudian sex-canal/birthing-undertones/overtones you could want, and it's gloriously abstract and digital -- and, of course, exceptionally well-composed. It's basically a digital expose/exploration of the world: of consciousness itself. Look. Some things are moving from darkness to lightness. What things? Digital things. Or real things sucked into a digital matrix. There is the sense of a fierce overseeing intelligence at work. The Maker. The universe as sublime aesthetic process. Anyway, yes, the music is something of a marvel in this small passage. Also, the actors are quietly on fire in this scene. Also, also: Natalie's pear-shaped bottom. Craggy copper: And what part of the prototypically female anatomy does this opening resemble? It's like when Anakin and Obi-Wan bust into Padme's bedroom, chasing down the "bad" guy. Oh, this movie!!! That page has some great pictures included, my favourite of which has got to be the last one: (I believe this image, or a similar one with Anakin meditating in the same position with his eyes closed, was first released on Hyperspace, the members-only area of the official site, many years ago. Looks to be a frame from a deleted scene, not an on-set photograph. Note the digital noise and Anakin reaching for his saber.) This image makes it look like Anakin's got an angel's wings. He is Star Wars' equivalent of a fallen angel, after all. I also like Hayden's comments about how he found a good working relationship with George. Happy Birthday, Attack Of The Clones. When I am honest to myself, you're my favourite of them all. Great observation, Samnz ! I've always said "Force lines", but your interpretation is excellent. I mean, it could allude, bringing both those interpretations together, to Anakin's ascent as a Force Ghost at the end of the Saga -- no? In any case: Art Deco apartment buildings for the win! And yes, I really like those comments from Hayden in the article. I didn't want to spoil the interview by including them, however. It's a relatively short interview. In retrospect, that may be the most interesting part. I don't believe these are actual stills from the film, the colour palette is completely wrong, but they're not really behind the scenes either, as the actors are in character, so I guess they'll have to go here. They were just staging different camera setups, looking for the right angles and whatnot. The shots we're seeing are in fact from the principle photography camera only sans the color timing that follows in post. It's a common process, more so with digital as you can explore staging with direct playback and without burning up precious film.
Kinda interesting that way in how, particularly with the first image, we're privy to a nominally different angle of a scene, a moment, closer to how it exists in the movie. Almost voyeuristic, like we shouldn't be spying a private moment.
*geek hat firmly on here* I'm not certain about the top two images, but I'm pretty sure the bottom image is from a film camera -- not the Sony CineAlta HDW-F900/HD CAM digital capture system that Lucas employed to "film" the movie entire. You can see very fine tones that the digital system wasn't capable of capturing/reproducing (e.g., Hayden's chin, the sunlight glinting at the edge of his collar), and none of the colour inaccuracies (or colour-splotching) in the flesh tones that the digital system produced. Note that Hayden's Jedi tunic is captured quite well, whereas all the movie frames, even high-quality ones, tend to show much less contrast and tonal range in the browns. Another tell-tale sign is the limited focal plane and more "three-dimensional" aspect to the image. Note that Natalie Portman's fingers and the balustrade in the foreground are out-of-focus, the actors are in-focus, and then the background is heavily out-of-focus again. That kind of focusing wasn't possible with the lens/sensor combination of the digital cameras. With heavy de-focusing, you get an aesthetic background blur, as seen in the latter image of Anakin moving in to kiss Padme. The term itself even has a name (and has been a source of great obsession for some people in the digital age): bokeh. Some complaints about early digital cinematography were that early digital cameras created a very flat look to the images: i.e., virtually everything was in-focus at the same time (high depth-of-field). For whatever reasons, a "sexy" image is usually held to be one that has some pronounced degree of de-focus: e.g., subjects are crisply rendered and "isolated" against a blurred-out background. Since the camera system that Lucas used for the movie itself couldn't do this (except with post-production digital trickery), AOTC ended up having a bevy of flat-looking images with little separation between subject and background. But, with a genius like Lucas, it doesn't matter much, since he is able to use clever compositional techniques to balance the various elements of his images. In other words, there is more to cinematography than fantastic tonal range, or how much of the image is de-focused behind the actors in a given frame. A final note: A film camera, or a variety of cameras using film, seem(s) to have been used to capture behind-the-scenes and posed material for Episode II. Only the movie itself was shot digitally. Some people have even rumoured a "back-up" film system being used to shoot the actual movie! However, on Episode III, not only was the digital system that Lucas used for II upgraded, but many behind-the-scenes images seem to have also been captured with a digital camera system. It is very obvious, if you have J.W. Rinzler's "Making Of" book for ROTS, that many of those pictures were taken with a digital camera, since they often show a high level of digital sensor noise. Look at behind-the-scenes pictures for Episode II, by comparison, or for Episode I, and the tones are very different, along with the grain structure of the image (digital doesn't really have grain, just noise). Episode II is a transitional movie in so many ways -- and even the way it was filmed/photographed reflects that transitional process.
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 19, 2022 17:02:09 GMT
I always admired his professional attitude and comments on the subject of blue/green screen acting. I like how he likens it to a magic trick, because to me there's definitely something magical about seeing something completely made up, that is bursting with imagination like Lucas' creations. I never understood the complaints from certain "professionals" about the difficulty of acting against bluescreen. I mean, it's acting at its most basic level. Acting is playing pretend and they find it difficult? They might be in the wrong line of work. Yes, Samuel L. Jackson says this: ...I just had to pick a spot and kinda do it. I kinda like that! I'm an only child, so I played by myself a lot in my room and I made up stuff. And I'm used to fighting things that aren't there, talking to people that aren't there - it's perfect for me! So when I see actors complain about it, I just kinda look at 'em and go "Where's your imagination? This is the perfect time to do what you want." I was very happy to know that I was part of something that was changing the way people were gonna make, watch and create film for the rest of... the time!
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Post by Cryogenic on May 19, 2022 17:14:49 GMT
I always admired his professional attitude and comments on the subject of blue/green screen acting. I like how he likens it to a magic trick, because to me there's definitely something magical about seeing something completely made up, that is bursting with imagination like Lucas' creations. I never understood the complaints from certain "professionals" about the difficulty of acting against bluescreen. I mean, it's acting at its most basic level. Acting is playing pretend and they find it difficult? They might be in the wrong line of work. Yep. But the reality is: Actors have fragile egos and expect to follow a "process". When that process is altered, they become discombobulated and can get pissy about it. Might be why Lucas said, many years ago, "Life is too short for crazy actors."
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Post by Alexrd on May 19, 2022 17:41:38 GMT
Exactly. It's ego, pretentiousness, nothing more.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 19, 2022 18:00:41 GMT
I always admired his professional attitude and comments on the subject of blue/green screen acting. I like how he likens it to a magic trick, because to me there's definitely something magical about seeing something completely made up, that is bursting with imagination like Lucas' creations. I never understood the complaints from certain "professionals" about the difficulty of acting against bluescreen. I mean, it's acting at its most basic level. Acting is playing pretend and they find it difficult? They might be in the wrong line of work. It seems the younger generation had more of a problem with that, Ewan in particular. But the likes of Christopher Lee, Ian McDiarmid, Liam Neeson and Samuel L. Jackson had no trouble in that aspect. Hayden did say that it was difficult at times, but always rose to the challenge. I guess Ewan must really like the new "Volume" technology they are using, which admittedly is quite awesome and would be a sight to behold. But like Natalie Portman once said, sincerely or not, acting against bluescreen is the purest form of acting.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 19, 2022 18:25:48 GMT
I never understood the complaints from certain "professionals" about the difficulty of acting against bluescreen. I mean, it's acting at its most basic level. Acting is playing pretend and they find it difficult? They might be in the wrong line of work. It seems the younger generation had more of a problem with that, Ewan in particular. But the likes of Christopher Lee, Ian McDiarmid, Liam Neeson and Samuel L. Jackson had no trouble in that aspect. Hayden did say that it was difficult at times, but always rose to the challenge. I guess Ewan must really like the new "Volume" technology they are using, which admittedly is quite awesome and would be a sight to behold. But like Natalie Portman once said, sincerely or not, acting against bluescreen is the purest form of acting. For all I've said about Ewan's attitude, I feel we must cut him some slack, since Natalie and Hayden got to go to Spain, Italy, and Tunisia, while Ewan was stuck in the bluescreen world of Kamino. He also missed out -- if that's even the right term -- on Tunisia in Episode I. Jake, Liam, Natalie, and Ahmed all went there, but not Ewan. On Episode III, the Tatooine scene at the end was accomplished (as Ewan has milked for sympathy) with greenscreen. He never got to go to any of these locations. Fair, he went to Australia with the rest of them, for principal photography (on II and III) at Fox Studios in Sydney, but his character was continually stage-bound. Ewan has done plenty of his own travelling, but maybe this aspect got to him and served to amplify, in his mind, how fake/artificial/constrained the prequels felt to make (versus his expectations going in).
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 19, 2022 18:45:23 GMT
Speaking of gateways, my favorite shot in AotC and probably all of Star Wars has always been the moment when Anakin and Padmé are taken to the Geonosian arena. While Anakin and Padmé pledge to each other, this must have been when I pledged myself to Star Wars, a love that has never truly ceased since even though I have put it on pause once or twice. Despite getting lost sometimes, I always come back to the good side, like Anakin at the end. I was once led astray and put my fandom on hold for a couple years, until the 3D rerelease of TPM which brought me back. But AotC was instrumental in reasserting my fanhood as well, since it was the first film I watched once I purchased The Complete Saga set. Very nice. It's possible to tire of anything -- even Star Wars. But it's weird how AOTC, perhaps more than any other SW movie, serves as a reminder and a clarion call for what's so compelling and addictive about the franchise (or the Lucas Saga, at least) in the first place. It's so goofy, so gauche, so gorgeous. And hell, if you're suddenly finding it fugly, it just means your brain wants you to pay attention to the other episodes again. Then back to AOTC you return and all is right with the world again -- or only as right as AOTC paints the world to be. I mean, look at this image: It's got all the Freudian sex-canal/birthing-undertones/overtones you could want, and it's gloriously abstract and digital -- and, of course, exceptionally well-composed. It's basically a digital expose/exploration of the world: of consciousness itself. Look. Some things are moving from darkness to lightness. What things? Digital things. Or real things sucked into a digital matrix. There is the sense of a fierce overseeing intelligence at work. The Maker. The universe as sublime aesthetic process. Anyway, yes, the music is something of a marvel in this small passage. Also, the actors are quietly on fire in this scene. Also, also: Natalie's pear-shaped bottom. Craggy copper: And what part of the prototypically female anatomy does this opening resemble? It's like when Anakin and Obi-Wan bust into Padme's bedroom, chasing down the "bad" guy. Oh, this movie!!! This image makes it look like Anakin's got an angel's wings. He is Star Wars' equivalent of a fallen angel, after all. I also like Hayden's comments about how he found a good working relationship with George. Happy Birthday, Attack Of The Clones. When I am honest to myself, you're my favourite of them all. Great observation, Samnz ! I've always said "Force lines", but your interpretation is excellent. I mean, it could allude, bringing both those interpretations together, to Anakin's ascent as a Force Ghost at the end of the Saga -- no? In any case: Art Deco apartment buildings for the win! And yes, I really like those comments from Hayden in the article. I didn't want to spoil the interview by including them, however. It's a relatively short interview. In retrospect, that may be the most interesting part. They were just staging different camera setups, looking for the right angles and whatnot. The shots we're seeing are in fact from the principle photography camera only sans the color timing that follows in post. It's a common process, more so with digital as you can explore staging with direct playback and without burning up precious film.
Kinda interesting that way in how, particularly with the first image, we're privy to a nominally different angle of a scene, a moment, closer to how it exists in the movie. Almost voyeuristic, like we shouldn't be spying a private moment.
*geek hat firmly on here* I'm not certain about the top two images, but I'm pretty sure the bottom image is from a film camera -- not the Sony CineAlta HDW-F900/HD CAM digital capture system that Lucas employed to "film" the movie entire. You can see very fine tones that the digital system wasn't capable of capturing/reproducing (e.g., Hayden's chin, the sunlight glinting at the edge of his collar), and none of the colour inaccuracies (or colour-splotching) in the flesh tones that the digital system produced. Note that Hayden's Jedi tunic is captured quite well, whereas all the movie frames, even high-quality ones, tend to show much less contrast and tonal range in the browns. Another tell-tale sign is the limited focal plane and more "three-dimensional" aspect to the image. Note that Natalie Portman's fingers and the balustrade in the foreground are out-of-focus, the actors are in-focus, and then the background is heavily out-of-focus again. That kind of focusing wasn't possible with the lens/sensor combination of the digital cameras. With heavy de-focusing, you get an aesthetic background blur, as seen in the latter image of Anakin moving in to kiss Padme. The term itself even has a name (and has been a source of great obsession for some people in the digital age): bokeh. Some complaints about early digital cinematography were that early digital cameras created a very flat look to the images: i.e., virtually everything was in-focus at the same time (high depth-of-field). For whatever reasons, a "sexy" image is usually held to be one that has some pronounced degree of de-focus: e.g., subjects are crisply rendered and "isolated" against a blurred-out background. Since the camera system that Lucas used for the movie itself couldn't do this (except with post-production digital trickery), AOTC ended up having a bevy of flat-looking images with little separation between subject and background. But, with a genius like Lucas, it doesn't matter much, since he is able to use clever compositional techniques to balance the various elements of his images. In other words, there is more to cinematography than fantastic tonal range, or how much of the image is de-focused behind the actors in a given frame. A final note: A film camera, or a variety of cameras using film, seem(s) to have been used to capture behind-the-scenes and posed material for Episode II. Only the movie itself was shot digitally. Some people have even rumoured a "back-up" film system being used to shoot the actual movie! However, on Episode III, not only was the digital system that Lucas used for II upgraded, but many behind-the-scenes images seem to have also been captured with a digital camera system. It is very obvious, if you have J.W. Rinzler's "Making Of" book for ROTS, that many of those pictures were taken with a digital camera, since they often show a high level of digital sensor noise. Look at behind-the-scenes pictures for Episode II, by comparison, or for Episode I, and the tones are very different, along with the grain structure of the image (digital doesn't really have grain, just noise). Episode II is a transitional movie in so many ways -- and even the way it was filmed/photographed reflects that transitional process. I would say that AotC has a very unique alluring quality and it's the most beautiful Star Wars film. It's as delicious as the digital pear Padmé eats in the film. It is also a very sexually loaded film. Much more so than TESB, even though the romance in AotC is more old fashioned on the surface. TESB seems very clean and clinical in comparison, and the romance aspect is pretty brief. The cool, collected and guarded nature of Han Solo doesn't lend itself to such overtly naked proclamations as Anakin's "I will do whatever you ask." In that third image, there are practically fireworks going on behind Obi and Ani's back as they enter the suggestive looking hangar in pursuit of Dooku. Anakin of course exhibiting his heated passion and bravado, wanting to slay Dooku (the dragon) and get to Padmé (his fair maiden). Both Padmé and Anakin in this film had a big impact on me. Natalie Portman being one of my biggest ever on-screen crushes thanks to it, and Hayden's portrayal of Anakin someone I greatly identified with. Natalie in this film is probably what I consider the most beautiful woman, next to Shania Twain. And Hayden I've always had a bit of a "man crush" on, which might have become apparent (I usually have his ghost form as an avatar). I always wanted hair like his in RotS, and grew my hair out a couple times to try and imitate his look. Yeah, despite my best efforts, I never looked like him, unfortunately. But I tried, y'know. It seems the younger generation had more of a problem with that, Ewan in particular. But the likes of Christopher Lee, Ian McDiarmid, Liam Neeson and Samuel L. Jackson had no trouble in that aspect. Hayden did say that it was difficult at times, but always rose to the challenge. I guess Ewan must really like the new "Volume" technology they are using, which admittedly is quite awesome and would be a sight to behold. But like Natalie Portman once said, sincerely or not, acting against bluescreen is the purest form of acting. For all I've said about Ewan's attitude, I feel we must cut him some slack, since Natalie and Hayden got to go to Spain, Italy, and Tunisia, while Ewan was stuck in the bluescreen world of Kamino. He also missed out -- if that's even the right term -- on Tunisia in Episode I. Jake, Liam, Natalie, and Ahmed all went there, but not Ewan. On Episode III, the Tatooine scene at the end was accomplished (as Ewan has milked for sympathy) with greenscreen. He never got to go to any of these locations. Fair, he went to Australia with the rest of them, for principal photography (on II and III) at Fox Studios in Sydney, but his character was continually stage-bound. Ewan has done plenty of his own travelling, but maybe this aspect got to him and served to amplify, in his mind, how fake/artificial/constrained the prequels felt to make (versus his expectations going in). I never thought of it like that. I guess it's more understandable that he felt left out a bit.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 19, 2022 19:37:16 GMT
I would say that AotC has a very unique alluring quality and it's the most beautiful Star Wars film. It's as delicious as the digital pear Padmé eats in the film. It is also a very sexually loaded film. Much more so than TESB, even though the romance in AotC is more old fashioned on the surface. TESB seems very clean and clinical in comparison, and the romance aspect is pretty brief. The cool, collected and guarded nature of Han Solo doesn't lend itself to such overtly naked proclamations as Anakin's "I will do whatever you ask." The other thing about AOTC (of course: there are so many "things" about AOTC) is that it's a very spacious and open movie -- the exact opposite of TESB, which is cramped, narrow, claustrophobic. TESB is a minaret. AOTC is a whole palace and the countryside around it. Yet big events are also piling up at alarming speed and the galaxy is going to hell in a handbasket. There are such compelling tensions to the movie that make it really stand out and great fun to return to. Yeah! And the whole hangar interior is like some liminal or suspended space in which nothing is really won or lost -- except for Anakin being emasculated when Dooku removes his arm. Which itself feels like some oddly punctuated event. Anakin's delayed destiny with the machine. Unlike Luke losing his hand to Vader in TESB, there is no yelp of pain, and no great revelation that follows. Anakin is just tossed aside like a piece of garbage -- the "Chosen One" showing courage, but having failed to produce a net-positive result. At the same time, the attachment between Anakin and Padme is close to nakedly revealed when Padme runs into the hangar and they embrace at the end. The narrative of ROTS is expertly set up in this moment, with both Jedi males a little wounded but still relatively "intact", Yoda hobbling along but harbouring greater worries than ever, a white-coloured Padme focused solely on Anakin, and most ominously: the appearance of clone troopers, who now fill up these big spaces and "guard" the Jedi, or trail them, wherever they go. If AOTC does one thing exceptionally well, then it's to suggest the opening of Pandora's box (Palpatine's box?) in the grand finale. There's a strong sense that the SW galaxy is now a changed place and can't easily be put back to how it used to be. Even if nothing else could be discerned through the colourful noise of the last 45 minutes, that quality is overwhelmingly undeniable, I think. Oh, Natalie was one of my big crushes, too. In fact, my first real crush was on a girl called Natalie in junior school. I really liked Shania Twain when I was younger, too. I probably had more of a man crush on Dean Cain from "Lois And Clark". But Hayden is definitely a man-crush-worthy object. And yes, while his hair is fine in AOTC, it's more striking in ROTS. I think I tried to grow mine out to look a bit like this. Unfortunately, my hair is thinner today. Maybe I could do Watto in a few years. Yep. In 2016, Ewan reminisced about the way things on Episode I were more practical, and also recalled his own naivete at the time: www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ewan-mcgregor-recalls-embarrassing-first-939828/He also lamented how things changed as the prequels went along: He gave the example of Yoda back on Episode I. Yoda was still a puppet then, and Ewan seemed to find that more impressive/enjoyable to work against: Still, a CG Yoda brought certain benefits and nuances that were hard to realise with a puppet. This is obvious from the first scene Yoda appears in in Episode II. Ewan clearly desired more of the OT-type experience he must have fancied he was going to experience. But the reality was different because Lucas had every intent of pushing the envelope -- and wherever possible, cutting costs -- anyplace he could. Perhaps Ewan didn't fully appreciate how much of a boundary-pusher George Lucas actually is until working with him on the prequels and seeing his methods in action.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 19, 2022 21:08:46 GMT
Am I changing relative to the film, or is the film changing relative to me? there's a Pyrogenic-esque riddle for you
Have we ever done a thread where we discuss how our perspective on the prequels changes as we age?
I know it seems obvious, but I'm always so conscious when I come back to a beloved film and notice that while I've aged, the characters have not, and that they're still the same as my previous viewing - they're, in fact, perpetually frozen in time. Nowhere is this more apparent than in AOTC, where at 19/20 they were once much older than me - when I didn't even understand what romance was - they now seem less mature. It's difficult to deny that this most natural of processes alters your perception, much as ageing may alter your physicality, or to give a more positive example, your wisdom.
I do not feel so distanced from ROTS. Maybe it's because I love it to death so much, maybe it's because they deliberately try to age up the protagonist in hair, makeup and lighting (unlike in AOTC), maybe it's because the characters seem to have matured so much more than 3 years would have you believe.The Clone War could be described as a lens which heavily skews the human beings who come out of it, if only for the few hours or days that we experience in Lucas's grand finale, before true horror is unleashed. There's undoubtedly a greater grown-up vibe to the romance in ROTS, in how it presents the anxieties of a married couple, such as they're future plans, pregnancy and so on, which is what gains it a relatable, realist, universal quality, if at the loss of a dreamlike, idealised, paradise vision seen in Clones.
I do hope I can still enjoy AOTC as much when I'm older. Part of me wonders (worries?) if I'll get tired of the teenage-like love story, as I have, unfortunately, with certain aspects of cartoons I once fully enjoyed.
We can be quick to admit that our view of a film changes over the years. We can be much less quick, however, to admit what the reasons behind it might be, especially when personal, and thus we prefer (pretend?) to couch it entirely in objective-seeming film studies language. So instead of of saying "I've been enlightened", can we say "I've gone through life"?
Seeker of the Whills , you also seem to be a 90s kid, I'll be curious of your thoughts on the matter. Meanwhile those of you who've gone through fatherhood or motherhood, I suspect, will plenty to say too.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 19, 2022 21:23:54 GMT
I would say that AotC has a very unique alluring quality and it's the most beautiful Star Wars film. It's as delicious as the digital pear Padmé eats in the film. It is also a very sexually loaded film. Much more so than TESB, even though the romance in AotC is more old fashioned on the surface. TESB seems very clean and clinical in comparison, and the romance aspect is pretty brief. The cool, collected and guarded nature of Han Solo doesn't lend itself to such overtly naked proclamations as Anakin's "I will do whatever you ask." The other thing about AOTC (of course: there are so many "things" about AOTC) is that it's a very spacious and open movie -- the exact opposite of TESB, which is cramped, narrow, claustrophobic. TESB is a minaret. AOTC is a whole palace and the countryside around it. Yet big events are also piling up at alarming speed and the galaxy is going to hell in a handbasket. There are such compelling tensions to the movie that make it really stand out and great fun to return to. Yeah! And the whole hangar interior is like some liminal or suspended space in which nothing is really won or lost -- except for Anakin being emasculated when Dooku removes his arm. Which itself feels like some oddly punctuated event. Anakin's delayed destiny with the machine. Unlike Luke losing his hand to Vader in TESB, there is no yelp of pain, and no great revelation that follows. Anakin is just tossed aside like a piece of garbage -- the "Chosen One" showing courage, but having failed to produce a net-positive result. At the same time, the attachment between Anakin and Padme is close to nakedly revealed when Padme runs into the hangar and they embrace at the end. The narrative of ROTS is expertly set up in this moment, with both Jedi males a little wounded but still relatively "intact", Yoda hobbling along but harbouring greater worries than ever, a white-coloured Padme focused solely on Anakin, and most ominously: the appearance of clone troopers, who now fill up these big spaces and "guard" the Jedi, or trail them, wherever they go. If AOTC does one thing exceptionally well, then it's to suggest the opening of Pandora's box (Palpatine's box?) in the grand finale. There's a strong sense that the SW galaxy is now a changed place and can't easily be put back to how it used to be. Even if nothing else could be discerned through the colourful noise of the last 45 minutes, that quality is overwhelmingly undeniable, I think. Oh, Natalie was one of my big crushes, too. In fact, my first real crush was on a girl called Natalie in junior school. I really liked Shania Twain when I was younger, too. I probably had more of a man crush on Dean Cain from "Lois And Clark". But Hayden is definitely a man-crush-worthy object. And yes, while his hair is fine in AOTC, it's more striking in ROTS. I think I tried to grow mine out to look a bit like this. Unfortunately, my hair is thinner today. Maybe I could do Watto in a few years. Yep. In 2016, Ewan reminisced about the way things on Episode I were more practical, and also recalled his own naivete at the time: www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ewan-mcgregor-recalls-embarrassing-first-939828/He also lamented how things changed as the prequels went along: He gave the example of Yoda back on Episode I. Yoda was still a puppet then, and Ewan seemed to find that more impressive/enjoyable to work against: Still, a CG Yoda brought certain benefits and nuances that were hard to realise with a puppet. This is obvious from the first scene Yoda appears in in Episode II. Ewan clearly desired more of the OT-type experience he must have fancied he was going to experience. But the reality was different because Lucas had every intent of pushing the envelope -- and wherever possible, cutting costs -- anyplace he could. Perhaps Ewan didn't fully appreciate how much of a boundary-pusher George Lucas actually is until working with him on the prequels and seeing his methods in action. When I showed the films to someone, they made the observation that ANH and TESB spend a lot of time inside spaceships, which I never made note of before. When we got to the part in RotJ when the heroes go to Endor, they said "It's nice to see the sky again", which I thought was funny but true. We watched the films in chronological order, so they saw the prequels first, which they also liked more. The prequels opened up the canvas so much and expanded the galaxy. Especially with TPM and AotC, the first color that comes to mind is the green of grass or the blue of the sky. With ANH and TESB it's the grey of the spaceship interiors. The prequels are just a breath of fresh air in that way. RotJ is an exception for the OT, and green represents that film well. I think your idea that RotJ was "the first prequel" holds a lot of merit. It opened up the world more than its predecessors. But AotC might be the most open and exotic Star Wars film. You only need to look at the banner at the top of this page to see the breadth of the world in the film. It's really a magnificent vision. With Anakin losing his arm, it only feels like a belated mark on his flesh, when the true mark was already carved in his soul during the death of his mother and the Tusken massacre. That was the revelation for him. Luke gets his hand cut off and the revelation at the same time. But Anakin also loses more of his flesh than Luke, signifying his greater pain, or perhaps the pain he meted out to the Tuskens. Luke only "killed" a vision. I never connected the hug between Anakin and Padmé in the hangar to their reunion in RotS, but you made it click like two puzzle pieces. Obi-Wan gives them a look, and Yoda is right there too. Both characters would find out the truth in RotS. Perhaps Yoda knew all along. In Clone Wars, Anakin says "Our love should not be hidden like it's some immoral thing." Well, you didnt try to hide it just then. But in this raw moment, they must have almost let it slip. This image from AotC is more and more compelling the more I look and think about it. You have all the central players there, a secret in plain sight, the evocative beams of light stabbing down on the scene from the holes in the ceiling, clones guarding the perimeter like they are helping keep this hidden truth an unspoken deal between the three Jedi, Obi-Wan in the dark with Anakin and Padmé but separate from them, and Yoda the only one in the light. I understand Ewan's plight if he really thought all along that they were going to do things almost exactly like in the OT. But on AotC there were full sets like Dex's diner, and they had Dex's and the Kaminoans' voice actors rehearse the scene with him the same way Jar Jar and Watto were done in TPM, so he did have something real to react to. ArchdukeOfNaboo, that's right, I am a 90s kid. That is an interesting idea you propose, my perspective has changed quite a bit in some ways. I will share more of my thoughts later, but now I have to sleep.
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