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Post by Cryogenic on Sept 22, 2022 19:19:58 GMT

Sept 19, 2022 22:45:42 GMT ArchdukeOfNaboo said:

In some ways, the better point of comparison for Elizabeth II's reign in Star Wars would be a Jedi knight. Senator and even Queen Amidala would share more similarities with a political figure, especially a tragic one like a JFK or a Gandhi.

I believe the late Queen understood her reign as a sacral calling, or a vocation, a selfless devotion to a very old national tradition and nation. It's not unlike a Jedi: someone who is dedicated their whole life to an institution of great antiquity, religious mystique and ties with a state (The Galactic Republic). And a Jedi tends not have a huge say in joining either, as you inherit great Force powers by chance, and are recruited at a young age. It's not a prefect comparison, as there's only one monarch, while there are thousands of Lucas' warrior monks at a time, but when one thinks of the personality of Elizabeth, it's hard not to be reminded of the stoicism of a member of the Jedi Council. Rigid maybe, unelected for sure, and yet still providing a sense of assurance for the people of a large entity.

Wonderful point of comparison. We all like the Star Wars Saga (again: I am primarily referring to the original six films) because the films are a tad abstract and post-modern, but they are also unapologetically old-fashioned (some would say timeless) and contain many antique verities. Our Queen Elizabeth II was practically the embodiment of living history; and she provided some genuine, much-needed continuity between the old and the new. Her presence enriched the world, just because she was there: a living, breathing relic of the past, yet someone who perfectly incarnated many of those important values and made them seem like they still had a place in the modern world. A rock of ages. Soaking up all the love for her online has been most edifying. I learned the other night that even my sister, somewhat to my surprise, made it down to London to visit Her Majesty lying in state. I'm no staunch royalist, but our Queen was a high-value person who touched the hearts of many and I think she is going to be dearly missed.

While 1918 marks the discretisation and end of monarchy in most of Europe, this death marks an end of some (yet unknown) kind for Britain too. An interesting little read from Ben Judah:

unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/

Thanks for that article. I guess these would be the three core paragraphs:

You don’t need tabulating political scientists to understand the British and their Queen. You need European psychoanalysts: Freud, Jung, Fromm. You need to understand the subliminal, the subconscious and the immense recesses of antiquity that haunt our psyches. It is here where monarchy draws its power. From the moment it was announced to her in Kenya, through her coronation as Queen of countries including Pakistan, Sri Lanka and South Africa, across a lifetime of the last post being sounded, over the by then mostly African Empire, that still existed when her reign began — she never stopped pretending. And for her, we never stopped pretending, either.

We pretended with her and for her — that the Commonwealth was real, that there was love and affection for her, or for us, in countries we’d conquered and lost, that we were still a great power. And if not an empire, then she ruled its heir. That her first minister was the equal of the men she received in what even the Kennedys realised was not splendour, but more a dowdy country hotel called Buckingham Palace. It could be beautiful, it could be felt, all this, but it wasn’t real. We all know a first principle of psychology is not to fantasise, but to accept who you really are.

As she aged, shrinking into her clothes, it became clear there wasn’t enough there, behind the insignia of government, to hold us up in the world. The factories, the mines, the shipyards, the discoveries that powered the rule of Queen Victoria — we simply no longer had enough of them. The carpet has long been threadbare. The draught could now be felt in the house. This funeral is the last great pretence. The last funeral for a British world power. The world’s leaders will never gather like this in Westminster Abbey again. The crowds will not flock to London, let alone Edinburgh, like this again.

Ouch. And, I daresay, aiming for a touch of non-jingoistic sobriety, every word of the above is true. What is royalty but a grand performance? The declawing of the monarchy and the withering away of "the divine right of kings" has surely prepared for monarchy's ultimate end -- as a legal institution, at least (shaking away monarchic and dynastic tendencies in the human animal, and royalistic fantasies of one sort or another, may be a harder trick to pull off). This bit got me:

As she aged, shrinking into her clothes

In her twilight years, there was a touch of Prequel Yoda about Queen Elizabeth, like in the scene at the start of AOTC of Yoda warmly greeting Senator Amidala (so: the Queen greeting herself):

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-- Ian McDiarmid, May 1984, Starlog #82

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And yeah, on Andor...

Sept 21, 2022 17:31:24 GMT ArchdukeOfNaboo said:

I think I might eventually watch Andor, but for now I can't help but ask the question, why? What is the point, what is the purpose? Could it be content for the sake of content? Vapid consumerism masquerading as some kind of vehicle for social justice?

It's hard to fathom the reason for much of Star Wars existing, outside of the original six movies. You would, I suspect, greatly enjoy the social critique of Theodor Adorno, AD.

Andor!
Adorno!
Arch Duke!

Oh, my.

Start here:

Title: SOCIOLOGY - Theodor Adorno
Channel: The School of Life
Uploaded: 5 Jun 2015

(03:11) "Adorno perceptively described Walt Disney as the most dangerous man in America."

Somebody, somewhere, needs the coin a term for the inflationary effect that this barrage of online, VOD programming is producing. One could very well argue it is cheapening Star Wars. While it is admittedly true that merchandise skyrocketed under Lucas' reign, it is not true that films and television (the core of Star Wars) were produced in as a "content factory".

Well, Adorno himself furnished us with a useful term: the culture industry.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_industry

The term culture industry (German: Kulturindustrie) was coined by the critical theorists Theodor Adorno (1903–1969) and Max Horkheimer (1895–1973), and was presented as critical vocabulary in the chapter "The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception", of the book Dialectic of Enlightenment (1947), wherein they proposed that popular culture is akin to a factory producing standardized cultural goods—films, radio programmes, magazines, etc.—that are used to manipulate mass society into passivity. Consumption of the easy pleasures of popular culture, made available by the mass communications media, renders people docile and content, no matter how difficult their economic circumstances. The inherent danger of the culture industry is the cultivation of false psychological needs that can only be met and satisfied by the products of capitalism; thus Adorno and Horkheimer especially perceived mass-produced culture as dangerous to the more technically and intellectually difficult high arts. In contrast, true psychological needs are freedom, creativity, and genuine happiness, which refer to an earlier demarcation of human needs, established by Herbert Marcuse.

Members of The Frankfurt School were much influenced by the dialectical materialism and historical materialism of Karl Marx, as well as the revisitation of the dialectical idealism of Hegel; both events are studied not in isolation, but as part of the process of change. As a group later joined by Jürgen Habermas, they were responsible for the formulation of critical theory. In works such as Dialectic of Enlightenment and Negative Dialectics, Adorno and Horkheimer theorized that the phenomenon of mass culture has a political implication, namely that all the many forms of popular culture are parts of a single culture industry whose purpose is to ensure the continued obedience of the masses to market interests.

The essay is concerned with the production of cultural content in capitalist societies. It critiques the extortionate nature of cultural economies as well as the apparently inferior products of the system. Horkheimer and Adorno argue that mass-produced entertainment aims, by its very nature, to appeal to vast audiences and therefore both the intellectual stimulation of high art and the basic release of low art. The essay does not suggest that all products of this system are inherently inferior, simply that they have replaced other forms of entertainment without properly fulfilling the important roles played by the now-defunct sources of culture.

Horkheimer and Adorno make consistent comparisons between Fascist Germany and the American film industry. They highlight the presence of mass-produced culture, created and disseminated by exclusive institutions and consumed by a passive, homogenised audience in both systems. This illustrates the logic of domination in post-enlightenment modern society, by monopoly capitalism or the nation state. Horkheimer and Adorno draw attention to the problems associated with a system that 'integrates its consumers from above', arguing that in attempting to realise enlightenment values of reason and order, the holistic power of the individual is undermined.

Here's the actual essay (or a part of it):

www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm

Essentially, an endless parade of entertainment goods, as if issued from a factory production line, has a chilling effect on individual expression and engagement. Even the content producers under Disney are open about their contempt for the individual. Check out a recent discussion concerning the remarks of Lucasfilm employee Leslye Headland (currently working on "The Acolyte"), who baldly asserted in an interview that everybody in a film or television production is replaceable, even the writer and director. Thus, entertainment is merely capitalistic enterprise; and just as a worker or a defective part is replaced in a factory when it is seen as an impediment to the smooth operation of the factory (i.e., a threat to the bottom line), so anyone who may challenge the existing order or place the image of the company or its pursuit of profits in (real or perceived) jeopardy, will be automatically booted -- i.e., handed their pink slip and dismissed. And these people now running the show (or an area within the factory) are just fine with that.

Equivalently, you then get a retinue of content addicts and factory management apologists springing up, ready to defend the content producers and the running of the factory (and the mechanistic capitalistic imperatives it is based on and which are ruthlessly enforced) at a moment's notice. Just like journalists and protestors standing up to a fascist government who are rounded up and beaten by police and security forces loyal to the leader or the state, these jackbooted keyboard warriors are all over you before you can blink, eager to denounce you for your retrograde opinions and subject you to their re-education programme (which normally means being "warned" for violating community standards and then being promptly suspended/removed should you contest the warning or step out of line again). Today, they use the sword and shield (or hammer and sickle) of social justice, bleating about diversity, inclusivity, equality (and other dogwhistle terms) -- ergo, if you speak out and contest the orthodoxy, you are obviously a blaspheming heretic, and whatever punishment you receive is more than merited.

That said...

I'll wait to see how "Andor" pans out according to its first few episodes, at least (I'm planning to watch them a little later). I was prepared to give "Obi-Wan" a chance and I enjoyed it initially; and while I'm now more cynical about giving modern Star Wars content any more of my time and attention, "Andor" looks at least as worthy as the former. It appears to have higher production values, a more visionary quality, sharper writing; more heft. All in all, it seems more sure of itself, a little more baked in its own grimdark juices, striving to perhaps be the "Babylon 5" or "Deep Space Nine" (for sci-fi nerds) of its respective in-house genre. While that seems to be the basic tone/flavour of many television series these days, it's still somewhat uncharted territory for Star Wars. It kinda feels wrong: boundary-breaking. But done with an authority and a level of artistic consistency wherein it might just get away with its moody conceits. If this series is a con, or a misfire, I'm probably done with all things Disney Star Wars, but I'll let it land where it may and speak whatever truths it's capable of speaking before deciding what's to be done.

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"I have a great admiration for George Lucas. I like him as a person. He's very serious and gentle. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films."

-- Ian McDiarmid, May 1984, Starlog #82

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Sept 22, 2022 19:19:58 GMT Cryogenic said:

Ouch. And, I daresay, aiming for a touch of non-jingoistic sobriety, every word of the above is true. What is royalty but a grand performance? The declawing of the monarchy and the withering away of "the divine right of kings" has surely prepared for monarchy's ultimate end -- as a legal institution, at least (shaking away monarchic and dynastic tendencies in the human animal, and royalistic fantasies of one sort or another, may be a harder trick to pull off). This bit got me

It's all amateur, tabloid, wishy-washy, celebrity drivel these days. Glorified ambassadors. Go big or go home. To hell I say with all this theatrical pretence! Vive le république!

But a certain Star Wars alumni knew what the real European monarchs were about.

^{*apologies to any offended Saxons, but you are the foundation of the Anglo-Saxons, and thus all the evils of the modern world according to the media, so you had it coming.}

The Charles our Christopher Lee sings/re-enacts in this heavy metal album (actually he made 2) is the namesake of the new King of England. Charlemagne, literally Charles the Great, crowned "Emperor of the Romans" in the year 800. What's more is that Lee is a confirmed direct descendent of him, arguably one of the most powerful figures in European history, whom all the royal houses of Europe trace their lineage, and who is even referenced (it's not a real quote) in Ingram's beloved Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Henry Jones: "I suddenly remembered my Charlemagne: 'Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky.' The first renaissance occurred under his reign. He could legitimately claim "I am The West". ^{Biden & Trump are amateur knockoffs}

Unfortunately his empire split up after his death, and kept fragmenting as his grandsons started squabbling^{typical medieval half-wits}. But the curious thing is that territory of the founding members of the European Union looks almost identical. His capital of Aachen is a hop, skip and jump from Brussels. The legacy is still there.

All that being a long-winded way of saying that Christopher Lee is proper royalty

I mean, can Harry and Megan say any of the following? All they have is a podcast and Netflix special pfffff....

So he was a WW2 veteran (he was actually part of the SAS and was tasked with hunting down Nazi war criminals), a metalhead, Dracula and a Sith lord.
You cannot top any of Christopher Lee's achievements.

He also fought for Finland against the Soviet Union in the Winter War. And oh so much more...

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"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. The consumer had won the battle over himself. He loved Disney Star Wars."

smittysgelato Chancellor Posts: 1,079	Welcome to Naberrie Fields! Introductions & banter Sept 23, 2022 1:47:46 GMT Cryogenic and jppiper like this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by smittysgelato on Sept 23, 2022 1:47:46 GMT Princess Ann, AKA SMITTY, is the most legit royal of all time.
	Quote "Nobody thinks of themselves as bad, not even the worst people, and they rationalize their behavior to say that we are doing good by killing all these people." -George Lucas (pp. 507, The Star Wars Archives - Episodes I-III, 1999-2005).

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	Quote "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. The consumer had won the battle over himself. He loved Disney Star Wars."

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	Quote "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. The consumer had won the battle over himself. He loved Disney Star Wars."

ArchdukeOfNaboo Emperor Posts: 1,455	Welcome to Naberrie Fields! Introductions & banter Dec 24, 2022 19:09:33 GMT Cryogenic and jppiper like this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Dec 24, 2022 19:09:33 GMT 'Tis the season for rewatching the prequels! This trailer gets me particularly excited:
	Quote "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. The consumer had won the battle over himself. He loved Disney Star Wars."

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	Quote "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. The consumer had won the battle over himself. He loved Disney Star Wars."

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	Quote "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. The consumer had won the battle over himself. He loved Disney Star Wars."

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Dec 24, 2022 19:09:33 GMT ArchdukeOfNaboo said:

'Tis the season for rewatching the prequels! This trailer gets me particularly excited:

Not to be a jerk, but, I hate this. I hate modern trailers with an inner burning white-hot flame of Norman invading, berserker rage passion. I hate modern trailers with their stupid, loud hammering, Audiomachine strings & synth choirs synced with repeated hard cuts to black. I hate modern trailers more than I hate grown men who stroll around a hotel lobby barefoot. I hate modern trailers more than I hate people who keep pressing the crosswalk button over and over again, as if that's going to somehow speed up traffic. I hate modern trailers more than I hate fortune cookies minus their actual fortunes—you had ONE job, lowly factory girl! I hate modern trailers more than I hate zoomers who get offended watching Ghostbusters for the first time when Peter Venkman asks the librarian if she's menstruating—that's the point of his character: he's a sarcastic smartass who doesn't want to be there. God. Lighten up. I hate modern trailers more than I hate beets. Who the hell likes beets?!

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You call this archeology?!

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	Quote "I have a great admiration for George Lucas. I like him as a person. He's very serious and gentle. These films are very well-intentioned. All right, they make tremendous amounts of money and appeal to kids, but they say good things, and they say them in a broad way. I believe in the Star Wars films." -- Ian McDiarmid, May 1984, Starlog #82

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Apr 19, 2023 0:12:37 GMT Cryogenic said:

Apr 18, 2023 15:31:10 GMT ArchdukeOfNaboo said:

Cryogenic , he's alive!

Thank you, AD. Like Palpatine, I have returned.

You will have to regale us with your convoluted cloning program involving Grogu, The Zillo Beast, Omega, midi-chlorians, and everyone's favourite....aborted Snokes!

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"Nobody thinks of themselves as bad, not even the worst people, and they rationalize their behavior to say that we are doing good by killing all these people."

-George Lucas (pp. 507, The Star Wars Archives - Episodes I-III, 1999-2005).

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Apr 19, 2023 0:12:37 GMT Cryogenic said:

Apr 18, 2023 15:31:10 GMT ArchdukeOfNaboo said:

Cryogenic , he's alive!

Thank you, AD. Like Palpatine, I have returned.

No, no, I meant it more like Palpatine discovering the burned-to-a-crisp Vader on the volcanic shores of Mustafar in 19 BBY.

"He's still alive!"

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Apr 18, 2023 20:07:28 GMT Ingram said:

Not to be a jerk, but, I hate this. I hate modern trailers

Well, the old school trailers of the 2000s gave away the whole movie. Were those really any better?

The quality of cinema has dramatically plunged since the 2010s, that's the real disaster. Give the trailers a rest.

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Apr 15, 2023 23:33:27 GMT smittysgelato said:

I like what you did here. The Sextet may indeed "diminish" in the eyes of future Star Wars fans who may prefer the newer iterations, and therefore the Sextet will be "passed over" for the second sibling. That being said, only the truly worthy get to sail into the West. Maybe there will be some Gimlis and Frodos who will join the Sextet in the West...but not many. And of course, Gimli REVERED Galadriel, so too must any future Star Wars revere the Lady Padme.

Nuff said.

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