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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 9, 2022 20:22:52 GMT
I'm one of those pesky millennials who doesn't care one way or the other whether Canada retains the monarchy. I grew up singing O Canada at school, not God Save The Queen.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 9, 2022 22:19:27 GMT
I'm one of those pesky millennials who doesn't care one way or the other whether Canada retains the monarchy. I grew up singing O Canada at school, not God Save The Queen. Is it true that English-speaking Canadians sounded more like the British as recent as WW2 than the Americans of today? Quite a dramatic shift if so, and imagine, all during the reign of one single monarch.
The loss of Elizabeth II is definitely a big blow to British soft power. It seemed like she had an immaculate quality to her, whereas her son Charles will be forever stained after the whole cheating and scandal around Diana. I'm sure British PMs, ministers and other bigwigs used her skillfully over the years, when they themselves had a more controversial image.
Folks, the immortal-like Queen of England is now gone. It truly underscores the idea that one day our beloved George will be too. And I'm not prepared for that...
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 9, 2022 22:52:18 GMT
Not that I am aware of. I mean, my paternal grandma sure didn't sound British to me. My maternal grandma was literally English, though. xD
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 9, 2022 23:14:30 GMT
A thought has occurred to me. If there was a massive accent shift in Canada, then it's mirrors our very own Anakin Skywalker. In reverse, of course.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 13, 2022 13:51:48 GMT
longside David Seaman 
Spotted the Arsenal supporter
"One-nil to the Awssssssnil"
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Post by Samnz on Sept 14, 2022 12:30:11 GMT
longside David Seaman Spotted the Arsenal supporter "One-nil to the Awssssssnil"
Well, what I remember mostly about him is this and his memorable haircut as well as continuing the tradition of entertaining English goalkeepers. However, the Arsenal team under a younger Arsène Wenger in the ealy 00s was certainly great and nice to watch. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 18, 2022 17:59:07 GMT
Andor is gonna be sick. I have no doubt. You can't fake a trailer like that.
Well, it looks like some people are already against it, as we saw with Obi-Wan:
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 18, 2022 18:41:01 GMT
The only thing I have seen so far that I don't like about Andor is the use of the word "bastard" in the ten-minute preview. Real-world curse words don't feel right for Star Wars to me. "Blast," and "blazes" are more like it. "Bastard" just sounds wrong to me. It would be like removing the sound effects from light sabers. It just isn't natural.
Of course, there are youtubers who have decided Disney is the enemy so they start the hate campaign before they even see the final product.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Sept 18, 2022 20:44:10 GMT
Andor is gonna be sick. I have no doubt. You can't fake a trailer like that.
Well, it looks like some people are already against it, as we saw with Obi-Wan:
well at least it's the villain. The Clone Wars had the nightsisters who humiliated their males and encouraged them to become monsters. Was that woke? |
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 18, 2022 20:57:20 GMT
I have definitely noticed a lot of people online praising how strong the Nightsisters are, haha. So, I don't think people care as long as they perceive a female character as strong. If she is strong it is automatically good in their eyes.
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Post by jppiper on Sept 18, 2022 21:05:21 GMT
The only thing I have seen so far that I don't like about Andor is the use of the word "bastard" in the ten-minute preview. Real-world curse words don't feel right for Star Wars to me. "Blast," and "blazes" are more like it. "Bastard" just sounds wrong to me. It would be like removing the sound effects from light sabers. It just isn't natural. Of course, there are youtubers who have decided Disney is the enemy so they start the hate campaign before they even see the final product. Don't Like it Either |
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Post by Cryogenic on Sept 18, 2022 23:50:35 GMT
(how apt that that should be your name in this moment) Hahaha, I can assure you I'm a commoner in real life. I wanted a username associated with Naboo (my joint favourite planet with Coruscant), and inspired by Samnz , I came up with it. Oh, we're all commoners -- commoners aspiring to a bit of royalty in our lives.  And if you take the Christian view, we all owe a debt to the King of Kings. Actually, to my slight shame and horror (I'm English/British, after all), I don't know too much about royalty, lineage, accession, etc. However, history grows more interesting with age. It would have bored me to tears at school, but now I'm much more fascinated by it all. That surely leaves me with plenty of rabbit holes left to explore! Of course, due to all the in-breeding of human beings, we're all related to each other; and also about as mongrel to one another as the royals themselves are. Prince Philip wasn't exactly a thoroughgoing "Englishman", after all. There were concerns that our dear Queen (then Princess) Elizabeth was marrying down: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/queen-elizabeth-prince-philip-love-that-lasted-seven-decadesI think you're right that Queen Elizabeth had a cooling effect on the conversation. But her son, King Charles, will not be able to escape growing pushback. While his mother's passing has brought out considerable mourning and generated countless condolences, Charles himself has already been heckled for being an anachronism in an age of rising costs and widening inequality. QEII was the last of a vanished (or vanishing era). She had gold-plated consistency on her side. People looked up to her; and they felt, in some sense, she was a rock they could rely on. Charles doesn't have that. No successor does. Sure, he has brought out a strong show of loyalty out of shock and sympathy, but it won't last. With all the clamour for political reform, as much as we British like our institutions, there are probably going to be some significant changes in the next few decades. Totally! Moreover, he painted royalty in a flattering light in his Star Wars Saga, even as he clarified that Padme in the prequels was an elected monarch (and, unlike Palpatine, was willing to step down and eager to serve). In fact, we've heard a lot from the establishment media in recent days of Queen Elizabeth always doing her duty, and this is very much a motif in Episode II (coming up in dialogue in the very first scene). Even the very fact that Padme is being targeted for assassination is resonant. Royals have been targeted and killed throughout history, and the Queen herself was almost killed several times during her reign (someone also tried to abduct Princess Anne in the 1980s, to which she memorably responded, when they asked her to get out of the car and accompany them, "Not bloody likely"). Queen Amidala after militarily defeating the Trade Federation and Queen (then Princess) Elizabeth as a mechanic during World War II:  I'm one of those pesky millennials who doesn't care one way or the other whether Canada retains the monarchy. I grew up singing O Canada at school, not God Save The Queen. Yes, I have mixed thoughts on the whole shebang, but our Queen was truly one of a kind. I'm not sure where the monarchy or the Commonwealth goes from here, and I don't know if I care greatly. Nevertheless, this is a moment in history -- as a Brit -- worth marking. The loss of Elizabeth II is definitely a big blow to British soft power. It seemed like she had an immaculate quality to her, whereas her son Charles will be forever stained after the whole cheating and scandal around Diana. I'm sure British PMs, ministers and other bigwigs used her skillfully over the years, when they themselves had a more controversial image.
Exactly right, AD. People have probably gotten over the whole Charles-Camilla thing, by and large, though the fresh Meghan-Harry debacle has no doubt revived aspects of it in the public consciousness. And compared to his mother, ol' Charlie Boy can't rightly compare. Although obviously in grieving (and forced to carry on -- the true British way!), he has already had several human moments, showing irritation in public that the Queen very rarely displayed. It's all different from here on out.
That's it, and to a sentimental creature like ol' Cryo, despite his sometimes manifest contempt for the status quo, this hurts. George, too, is gradually on the wane (you can see it in recent clips), and as much as we may want him to live forever, we all know that is impossible -- on this Earthly plane, at least...
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 19, 2022 4:49:50 GMT
I learned something new from the interwebs...
Apparently, King Charles III is influenced by Dr. Kathleen Raine...who was influenced by none other than WILLIAM BLAKE.
All I can say to that is: this King just might have potential!
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Post by Pyrogenic on Sept 19, 2022 18:04:11 GMT
I stopped being a prude about swearing in Star Wars once I noticed this:
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Post by Cryogenic on Sept 19, 2022 20:27:57 GMT
I stopped being a prude about swearing in Star Wars once I noticed this: Wow! Come on, Pyro... Add it to my humble little thread. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 19, 2022 22:45:42 GMT
In some ways, the better point of comparison for Elizabeth II's reign in Star Wars would be a Jedi knight. Senator and even Queen Amidala would share more similarities with a political figure, especially a tragic one like a JFK or a Gandhi.
I believe the late Queen understood her reign as a sacral calling, or a vocation, a selfless devotion to a very old national tradition and nation. It's not unlike a Jedi: someone who is dedicated their whole life to an institution of great antiquity, religious mystique and ties with a state (The Galactic Republic). And a Jedi tends not have a huge say in joining either, as you inherit great Force powers by chance, and are recruited at a young age. It's not a prefect comparison, as there's only one monarch, while there are thousands of Lucas' warrior monks at a time, but when one thinks of the personality of Elizabeth, it's hard not to be reminded of the stoicism of a member of the Jedi Council. Rigid maybe, unelected for sure, and yet still providing a sense of assurance for the people of a large entity.
While 1918 marks the discretisation and end of monarchy in most of Europe, this death marks an end of some (yet unknown) kind for Britain too. An interesting little read from Ben Judah:
unherd.com/2022/09/divine-monarchy-is-finished/
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Post by jppiper on Sept 20, 2022 1:31:16 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Sept 20, 2022 21:28:29 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 21, 2022 4:56:59 GMT
As long as Andor doesn't violate the spirit of Star Wars I can write the swearing off as a nitpick, but if the swearing is a detail that reveals the spirit of the series, they've totally missed the mark.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Sept 21, 2022 17:31:24 GMT
I think I might eventually watch Andor, but for now I can't help but ask the question, why? What is the point, what is the purpose? Could it be content for the sake of content? Vapid consumerism masquerading as some kind of vehicle for social justice?
Somebody, somewhere, needs the coin a term for the inflationary effect that this barrage of online, VOD programming is producing. One could very well argue it is cheapening Star Wars. While it is admittedly true that merchandise skyrocketed under Lucas' reign, it is not true that films and television (the core of Star Wars) were produced in as a "content factory".
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And if you take the Christian view, we all owe a debt to the King of Kings.