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Post by darkspine10 on May 24, 2022 23:39:33 GMT
I've never noticed this before, but when the Jedi and Jar Jar arrive at Otoh Gunga, you can see other Gungans swimming around in the background, and even a Bongo submersible travelling around (it's much easier to see in motion, but the Bongo and Gungans ar just right of the closest bubble dome in the shot): The wider sequence might be one of my favourites in general, with the sprawling tableau of lights, the eerily haunting choir, the way Jar Jar guides the Jedi forwards: This section of the movie, the underwater chapter, may be the most evocative of the early space adventure serials that inspired Star Wars in the first place. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are side-tracked from their wider mission of helping the Naboo, become immersed in a strange new culture, get into a series of scrapes with the aquatic life in the depths. It feels like a mini-serial adventure, moreso than any other part of the saga. One other little thing, but I've never considered before how the 20's silent film comedian influence on Jar Jar fits in remarkably well with the pre-war art deco design work, or the =historical analogy to the early rise of Hitler found in the rest in the movie. It's a very rich combination of disparate elements that go together on a deeper inspection. It even matches that Jar Jar's role diminishes as the actual war in the Prequels ramps up, sort of mirroring how the broad slapstick of the silent era faded away with the talkie at the same time war loomed in Europe. Lucas' expert cultural touches strike again! And another unrelated detail I noticed on my latest watchthrough, I spotted that the middle of the grasslands where the Gungans are marching before the battle is much more churned up and muddy than the surrounding grasslands, showing the trampling footfalls of the army: Was never aware of the level of attention paid to even the smallest details of an entirely artificially created environment
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Post by Somny on Jul 17, 2022 13:40:04 GMT
I love the soothing vocalizations of the "midwife droid" tending to Padme at the end of ROTS. The droid's pseudowords or pseudoutterances evoke soft, rounded forms as well as the circular and curved features of her very design; no doubt to calm the patient under her care. It seems like a very deliberate synesthetic effect. Very cool!
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Post by Cryogenic on Aug 24, 2022 5:14:00 GMT
I love the soothing vocalizations of the "midwife droid" tending to Padme at the end of ROTS. The droid's pseudowords or pseudoutterances evoke soft, rounded forms as well as the circular and curved features of her very design; no doubt to calm the patient under her care. It seems like a very deliberate synesthetic effect. Very cool! Great stuff! Those details you cite, and the way you explain them, are powerfully indicative of how masterfully GL crafts his worlds. This helpful metal droid is also the opposite of what Padme's husband is being made into in that same moment, also contrasting poignantly with the bulk of the movie (a sort of modern-day yet otherworldly grimdark masterpiece), its calming presence and appearance offering relief to the travellers (i.e., the viewers) who have stayed with the film text and come this far. If there were a subtitle for this part of the movie, it might be something like "A long time ago in a medical facility far, far away...."
* * * The birth of the Skywalker twins: about as mythic as the birth of Darth Vader, their father; and as they are born, so their parents die. A sort of in-movie metaphor for the dying of the prequel light as it gives way to the fallen, found-future world of the OT. The strange and the lofty collapsing into the mundane and the sublimely normal: classical jazz to light pop. Snobby analogy, perhaps; but the world changes, sometimes gets a little cruder, a little more present-tense and immediate, leaving a desire and a nostalgia for what was. And if George doesn't capture that perfectly... * * * There's also a contrast (of sorts) within the prequels here. From the clickety-clacking sound of the Battle Droids and assorted Jar Jar hijinks in Watto's junk shop and the plains of Naboo, to a a serene, elegant, floating droid in gentle surroundings, not long after an operatic lava battle has taken place, calming a young woman in distress. In SW, contrasts are ever occurring and companions are everywhere; nothing and nobody is ever truly alone. I've never noticed this before, but when the Jedi and Jar Jar arrive at Otoh Gunga, you can see other Gungans swimming around in the background, and even a Bongo submersible travelling around (it's much easier to see in motion, but the Bongo and Gungans ar just right of the closest bubble dome in the shot): The wider sequence might be one of my favourites in general, with the sprawling tableau of lights, the eerily haunting choir, the way Jar Jar guides the Jedi forwards: This section of the movie, the underwater chapter, may be the most evocative of the early space adventure serials that inspired Star Wars in the first place. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are side-tracked from their wider mission of helping the Naboo, become immersed in a strange new culture, get into a series of scrapes with the aquatic life in the depths. It feels like a mini-serial adventure, moreso than any other part of the saga. One other little thing, but I've never considered before how the 20's silent film comedian influence on Jar Jar fits in remarkably well with the pre-war art deco design work, or the =historical analogy to the early rise of Hitler found in the rest in the movie. It's a very rich combination of disparate elements that go together on a deeper inspection. It even matches that Jar Jar's role diminishes as the actual war in the Prequels ramps up, sort of mirroring how the broad slapstick of the silent era faded away with the talkie at the same time war loomed in Europe. Lucas' expert cultural touches strike again!And another unrelated detail I noticed on my latest watchthrough, I spotted that the middle of the grasslands where the Gungans are marching before the battle is much more churned up and muddy than the surrounding grasslands, showing the trampling footfalls of the army: Was never aware of the level of attention paid to even the smallest details of an entirely artificially created environment You've spotted some nice details here. I had to highlight your middle paragraph -- brilliance!!! (Seems I was sort of inadvertently deploying the same basic historical motif in my preceding commentary on the birthing droid and the stylistic/tonal difference between the trilogies). And yes, the journey to Otoh Gunga, including Otoh Gunga itself, is very magical and Jules Verne-esque. In fact, Otoh Gunga feels like a very holy and sacred place, and unlike anything shown in the OT. It is where "the gods" (i.e., the Gungan Council) reside. Jar Jar even tells Qui-Gon that his service to him is "demanded by the gods". Jar Jar may have been banished, but he still has faith. In keeping with so many human authorities and earthly disappointments (that SW holds a mirror to; for it is both mirror and allegory), we see quite clearly on Otoh Gunga that the gods themselves are corrupt and need to be reminded (by Qui-Gon) of Jar Jar's innocence and worth -- of the worthiness of innocence itself. If paradise turns out to be an improvement on an earthly existence, yet still somewhat harsh and limited, we all should hope to be as wholesome as Jar Jar and for a Qui-Gon to argue our case. Anyway, another neat detail in the ensuing battle on Naboo, being fought heroically by the Gungans, since displaced from the paradise of Otoh Gunga (in a preview of the way our Jedi heroes will be displaced from Coruscant and the PT itself) is Captain Tarpals whistling to the troops to retreat. I swear, I always used to think he was whistling with his fingers, albeit loudly. However, I was watching that part of the movie earlier, in High Definition, and I noticed for the first time he is actually blowing into a small shell-like device: The level of detail in these films is just astounding. Okay, so Tarpals is in close-up (i.e., this isn't a "way-into-the-background detail"), but it's literally a moment that lasts a few seconds, and it goes by so fast you can't consciously take it all in -- I obviously didn't! Pretty sure nobody else was doing this level of CG character rendering and animation in 1999. Goshdarnit, George!!!
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 24, 2022 5:28:31 GMT
Up until the moment I read Cryo's post, I too thought Tarpals was merely whistling with his fingers!
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Post by Cryogenic on Aug 24, 2022 5:45:09 GMT
Up until the moment I read Cryo's post, I too thought Tarpals was merely whistling with his fingers! Yes!!! And I can kinda "prove" (visually) how easy it is to miss. For instance, the screenshot I used above is from the 4K gallery for TPM on StarWarsScreencaps.com. The 2K gallery, however, only has the following shot (of the close-up of Tarpals "whistling"): Now, that looks superficially similar, and because you've seen the 4K one already, your brain now likely "sees" the whistle. But, in my opinion, it's nowhere near as readable as the 4K version. In the 2K shot, it looks more like Tarpals is scrunching his digits (his digital digits -- haha) together, or sticking his tongue out (as Jar Jar does earlier in the movie: i.e., visual precedent) and performing a weird whistling technique on his hand. Interestingly, as I've just discovered, the whistle device was -- depending on your POV -- only officially acknowledged in 2017: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gungan_whistleSo, forty years after Star Wars was born, it officially gained whistles. Or Gungan whistles. It's kind of a weird thing to think about, but if a thing isn't noticed or itemised before it is, can it be properly said to exist? "If an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist."
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Post by Alexrd on Aug 30, 2022 17:14:46 GMT
Anyway, another neat detail in the ensuing battle on Naboo, being fought heroically by the Gungans, since displaced from the paradise of Otoh Gunga (in a preview of the way our Jedi heroes will be displaced from Coruscant and the PT itself) is Captain Tarpals whistling to the troops to retreat. I swear, I always used to think he was whistling with his fingers, albeit loudly. However, I was watching that part of the movie earlier, in High Definition, and I noticed for the first time he is actually blowing into a small shell-like device: Huh, today I learned...
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 25, 2022 8:51:00 GMT
I don't think I've ever noticed Leia in the background here before, being chat up by a guy showing her dank anti-Empire memes. And the acting the person as Paploo does in this scene had me in stitches this time. Something about the way he keeps looking down at the lever, like some silly, playful puppy or something. And amongst the commotion of this scene, I recently noticed one of the Rebel soldiers fall over backwards (bottom center), and I wanted to go back and see if he'd been pushed by a stormtrooper or something. No, he tripped over the one laying behind him, haha. Now I'm just wondering if it was planned that way or not.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 3, 2023 16:35:42 GMT
Well, if ever there was a shot in the PT that screamed stoic, this is it. Calm, erudite and mindful of the Force.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jan 21, 2023 21:40:28 GMT
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Post by Subtext Mining on Mar 26, 2023 23:25:01 GMT
I was just thinking, the one-two war drum percussion beats during the intro to RotS is like a heartbeat, which is bookended at the end when Padmé dies and Anakin becomes Vader.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Apr 21, 2023 19:26:11 GMT
As far back as the first time I saw TPM, I've always like that smirk Qui-Gon makes when Watto says, "I hope you didn't-a kill anyone I know for it." So gangster!
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Post by Cryogenic on Apr 21, 2023 23:02:20 GMT
As far back as the first time I saw TPM, I've always like that smirk Qui-Gon makes when Watto says, "I hope you didn't-a kill anyone I know for it." So gangster! Yeah, I love that whole scene. Qui-Gon's little smirk there is really the cherry on top.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Feb 18, 2024 3:53:53 GMT
I like the little detail of Shmi saying, "I'm not gonna tell you again!" to Anakin. It's a nice snippet of real life, and shows Anakin isn't a weirdly perfect angel.
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Post by Samnz on Mar 27, 2024 12:19:43 GMT
Not saying that I missed it until now, but what Natalie's (right) eyebrows do in this moment is what really sells it for me. In George Lucas movies you never know whether this was acting from Natalie or tinkering with CGI, but I feel like this little touch made Padmé's confession feel real and authentic.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Mar 27, 2024 16:24:08 GMT
Yes! Which goes with when Padmé reveals to Ani she loves him, he’s so genuinely surprised his scalp moves. You can see Hayden's hair shift back. Must be hard to pull that off on command. Which I'm sure is real.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Mar 27, 2024 17:33:43 GMT
I can do that with my scalp.
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Post by Samnz on Mar 27, 2024 17:36:28 GMT
Yes! Which goes with when Padmé reveals to Ani she loves him, he’s so genuinely surprised his scalp moves. You can see Hayden's hair shift back. Must be hard to pull that off on command. Which I'm sure is real. Oh yeah, this is classic Hayden - and good chemistry, for that matter!
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Post by Subtext Mining on Apr 2, 2024 1:35:55 GMT
I think I just noticed for the first time that Jar Jar cleans sand out of his ear when he walks in from the storm, and even the corner of his mouth goes back and curls up like a dog's when it scratches itself.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Apr 2, 2024 13:54:29 GMT
I think I just noticed for the first time that Jar Jar cleans sand out of his ear when he walks in from the storm, and even the corner of his mouth goes back and curls up like a dog's when it scratches itself. ah, i've been noticing that for a long time. Probably since 2009 or maybe before. But it's one of those things that you might not notice at first
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Post by Subtext Mining on Apr 4, 2024 19:52:00 GMT
Recently I made the conscious connection of the little TF kid droids running across the screen, from right to left. And the little kids running from left to right on Tatooine.
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