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Post by Cryogenic on May 25, 2021 17:39:47 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 25, 2021 17:57:12 GMT
And one that kinda deserves its own post: Threshold Banter:   Because there's no chemistry in the prequels, amirite? |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 25, 2021 18:46:49 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 25, 2021 18:58:12 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on May 25, 2021 19:14:36 GMT
Ah yes, I recall you posting about this sphere that Anakin is levitating in one of the other threads. I think it may have been the Favorite Frames thread. Is part of your point that this sphere is basically a three dimensional bagua? The balance that Anakin is to realize, but can't yet reach? The Dao being like a planet( natural), whereas the Sith confuse the Dao with mechanical power such as the Death Star? EDIT: Another way to describe the difference between Dao and mechanical power might be the idea of being vs. having. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 25, 2021 19:22:54 GMT
CryogenicSubtext: "Anakin will take care of me." Although...not in the way she hopes.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 25, 2021 19:30:48 GMT
Ah yes, I recall you posting about this sphere that Anakin is levitating in one of the other threads. I think it may have been the Favorite Frames thread. Is part of your point that this sphere is basically a three dimensional bagua? The balance that Anakin is to realize, but can't yet reach? The Dao being like a planet( natural), whereas the Sith confuse the Dao with mechanical power such as the Death Star? Sort of. Although I was thinking more of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_crucigerI have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!As well as this -- a kind of photo-essay elaboration of the above: artmirrorsart.wordpress.com/2017/04/09/mirror-spheres-or-adventures-of-globus-cruciger-in-flanders/ |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 25, 2021 19:41:37 GMT
The Globus certainly seems relevant to what I was expressing with the Dao. Again, the Sith seem to confuse the redeeming power of the saviour as a means to control the world.
EDIT: I guess the Cross atop the globe suggests overcoming the world as opposed to having/ controlling the world.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 25, 2021 20:21:16 GMT
This is a cool contrast.   To elaborate on the earlier post, have the Jedi placed war, something that they weren't meant for, above their morals (war room above council chambers)? I think it's fascinating to ponder. Lucas created quite the dilemma. Should the Jedi have stayed out of the war? Qui-Gon plainly states that he cannot fight a war. There is even more in the TPM script confirming that the Jedi can only fight to protect Padmé and not to fight a war: DARTH SIDIOUS : The Jedi cannot become involved. They can only protect the Queen. Even Qui-Gon Jinn will not break that covenant.... |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 25, 2021 20:31:50 GMT
It is definitely sacrilegious of them to put the war room above the council chambers. Or maybe they just get better cell reception up there?  |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 25, 2021 20:35:47 GMT
It is definitely sacrilegious of them to put the war room above the council chambers. Or maybe they just get better cell reception up there?  Well, yeah, honestly. There's something... off about that, since it's supposed to be a spiritual place. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 25, 2021 20:46:20 GMT
It is definitely sacrilegious of them to put the war room above the council chambers. Or maybe they just get better cell reception up there? The Jedi don't really have the Force. They have excellent wi-fi capabilities. |
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Post by Somny on May 25, 2021 22:14:47 GMT
The shot which precedes the Jedi war room establishing shot is too good to ignore. Talk about a connection between two shots. ![]()  A curious instrument falls from the heavens. What's going on up there?! |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 26, 2021 7:27:34 GMT
The shot which precedes the Jedi war room establishing shot is too good to ignore. Talk about a connection between two shots. ![]() A curious instrument falls from the heavens. What's going on up there?! Excellent observation. Very poignant. A fall from grace for Obi-Wan ("This weapon is your life"). Wipes can create some peculiar frames.  |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 26, 2021 7:55:54 GMT
"As a member of the senate, maybe I can find a diplomatic solution to this mess."  "I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan."  |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 26, 2021 12:40:57 GMT
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 26, 2021 15:09:08 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 26, 2021 15:57:46 GMT
To go back to something here -- think this justifies a separate post: To elaborate on the earlier post, have the Jedi placed war, something that they weren't meant for, above their morals (war room above council chambers)? I think it's fascinating to ponder. Lucas created quite the dilemma. Should the Jedi have stayed out of the war? Qui-Gon plainly states that he cannot fight a war. There is even more in the TPM script confirming that the Jedi can only fight to protect Padmé and not to fight a war: DARTH SIDIOUS : The Jedi cannot become involved. They can only protect the Queen. Even Qui-Gon Jinn will not break that covenant.... Well, there's also this interesting transition in AOTC: "Toxic dart."  Note that the central tower is gleaming there, but in ROTS, the shine has come off (so to speak): Another interesting detail pertaining to the towers (evocative of The Tower of Babel) is that they are half in light, half in shadow. The shadows are also more pronounced in the ROTS frame. They even have a cigar shape. I'm reminded of many former discussions (luckily not here) where an unspoken rule/law was inevitably in operation. It can be phrased something like the following: "As a prequel fan continues to talk about symbolism and interesting visual or story details in the PT in a given location, the odds of someone shrugging their analysis off with the statement 'Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar' approach 1." Anyway, while I hate to sound like a pedant, the central tower is not the location of the war room. Not according to Wookieepedia, anyway: Even the Jedi Council chambers aren't located there (prior to the Clone Wars) according to the same information nexus: So what is that thing, really? Despite the above, the camera movement in ROTS does strongly imply the war room, or Jedi Temple Situation Room, is located in the central spire. Of course, it could be some kind of "subjective" view of the Jedi Temple complex -- like the camera/viewer is transfixed by the central spire, but we're really gazing at it from another location. Which I find to be an interesting concept. That said, Lucas' camera movements are normally fairly objective, and it's rare that a viewer is "misled" in that way. I wonder what the thinking was, regarding the location, when the film was being made? |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 26, 2021 16:13:56 GMT
To go back to something here -- think this justifies a separate post: To elaborate on the earlier post, have the Jedi placed war, something that they weren't meant for, above their morals (war room above council chambers)? I think it's fascinating to ponder. Lucas created quite the dilemma. Should the Jedi have stayed out of the war? Qui-Gon plainly states that he cannot fight a war. There is even more in the TPM script confirming that the Jedi can only fight to protect Padmé and not to fight a war: DARTH SIDIOUS : The Jedi cannot become involved. They can only protect the Queen. Even Qui-Gon Jinn will not break that covenant.... Well, there's also this interesting transition in AOTC: "Toxic dart."Note that the central tower is gleaming there, but in ROTS, the shine has come off (so to speak): Another interesting detail pertaining to the towers (evocative of The Tower of Babel) is that they are half in light, half in shadow. The shadows are also more pronounced in the ROTS frame. They even have a cigar shape. I'm reminded of many former discussions (luckily not here) where an unspoken rule/law was inevitably in operation. It can be phrased something like the following: "As a prequel fan continues to talk about symbolism and interesting visual or story details in the PT in a given location, the odds of someone shrugging their analysis off with the statement 'Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar' approach 1." Here we love the analyzing, and even overanalyzing. This quote from the great Star Wars: The Legacy Revealed documentary says it well: Dr. Joan Breton Connelly: "What's so exciting about approaching the Star Wars cycle, it's very much like an archaeological excavation. What's fun for me personally is when I get to a point where I say: Did George Lucas mean for this connection to be made or am I making it, am I participating as part of the poet, the creator in seeing connections." And while I hate to sound like a pedant, the central tower is not the location of the war room. Not according to Wookieepedia, anyway: Even the Jedi Council chambers aren't located there (prior to the Clone Wars) according to the same information nexus: So what is that thing, really? Despite the above, the camera movement in ROTS does strongly imply the war room, or Jedi Temple Situation Room, is located in the central spire. Of course, it could be some kind of "subjective" view of the Jedi Temple complex -- like the camera/viewer is transfixed by the central spire, but we're really gazing at it from another location. Which I find to be an interesting concept. That said, Lucas' camera movements are normally fairly objective, and it's rare that a viewer is "misled" in that way. I wonder what the thinking was, regarding the location, when the film was being made? Yes, I tried to research the exact location of the war room, and only came across that Legends wookieepedia article, but the camera is so clearly indicating the central spire as the location that I thought it must be an EU mishap. There is not even a canon version of that article. You can see that there are windows and air speeders flying outside that room, but it's not like one of the council chambers at the top of the other four spires. I think Lucas must have meant for it to be in the central spire. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 26, 2021 16:44:16 GMT
And while I hate to sound like a pedant, the central tower is not the location of the war room. Not according to Wookieepedia, anyway: Even the Jedi Council chambers aren't located there (prior to the Clone Wars) according to the same information nexus: So what is that thing, really? Despite the above, the camera movement in ROTS does strongly imply the war room, or Jedi Temple Situation Room, is located in the central spire. Of course, it could be some kind of "subjective" view of the Jedi Temple complex -- like the camera/viewer is transfixed by the central spire, but we're really gazing at it from another location. Which I find to be an interesting concept. That said, Lucas' camera movements are normally fairly objective, and it's rare that a viewer is "misled" in that way. I wonder what the thinking was, regarding the location, when the film was being made? Yes, I tried to research the exact location of the war room, and only came across that Legends wookieepedia article, but the camera is so clearly indicating the central spire as the location that I thought it must be an EU mishap. There is not even a canon version of that article. You can see that there are windows and air speeders flying outside that room, but it's not like one of the council chambers at the top of the other four spires. I think Lucas must have meant for it to be in the central spire. Probably, yeah. I mean, the camera gets so stupidly close, it's hard to watch the establishing shot and not come to that conclusion:   "The Chancellor's signal is coming from right there. The observation platform at the top of that spire."Or put another way: Wipes can create some peculiar frames. Did Yoda dream Palpatine, or did Palpatine dream Yoda?
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Well, yeah, honestly. There's something... off about that, since it's supposed to be a spiritual place.
