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Post by Subtext Mining on Nov 19, 2023 5:09:44 GMT
From Red Tails. Recognise the Yin/Yang clouds? Nice, haha. Just like Kubrick using the same skies in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Nov 23, 2023 19:19:26 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Nov 23, 2023 22:14:50 GMT
Leia had chains in ROTJ does that count?
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 1, 2023 3:03:14 GMT
You could look at Qui-Gon's death as symbolic of the jedi Order being unprepared for the return of the Sith, and being outmaneuvered by them which led to their destruction. But Obi-Wan defeating Darth Maul with his Master's lightsaber is symbolic of Luke and Anakin defeating the Sith and saving themselves with the classic principles the Jedi adhered to.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 6, 2023 18:04:38 GMT
In TPM, Jar Jar's empathy drives him to comfort and help Padmé in a time of trouble, which provides her with the inspiration to confront the Trade Federation. In TPM, Anakin's empathy drives him to help Padmé & Qui-Gon in a time of trouble, which provides them with a way to Coruscant. In AotC, Jar Jar's empathy again drives him to help Padmé's cause and save the Republic, but Palpatine takes advantage of it with which he moves himself into a position of greater power, which will eventually lead to the ultimate political power. In AotC, Anakin's empathy drives him to save his mom, but in the wake of her death, his dark side takes over which gives him a taste of greater power, which leads him to decide to eventually seek the ultimate power.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 17, 2023 22:45:08 GMT
When The Emperor showed Luke the trap he and the Rebels had fallen into, Luke can't help but try to strike out and kill The Emperor, even though he knows he shouldn't, but the urge to save his friends is too strong.
Much like Anakin, whose urge to save Padmé was so strong he couldn't help but spare Palpatine and attack Mace, even though he knows he shouldn't. Palpatine had trapped him in a situation where he'd have to make a snap decision.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 22, 2023 4:05:40 GMT
Padmé didn't want to oust Chancellor Valorum, but she was manipulated into believing the election of a new Chancellor was the only hope of solving the crisis with her planet, and had to make a quick decision.
Just like Anakin didn't want to hurt Mace or any Jedi, but he was manipulated into believing doing do was the only hope of finding the power to solve the perceived crisis with his wife's life, and had to make a quick decision.
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Post by smittysgelato on Dec 22, 2023 20:28:56 GMT
Padmé didn't want to oust Chancellor Valorum, but she was manipulated into believing the election of a new Chancellor was the only hope of solving the crisis with her planet, and had yo make a quick decision. Just like Anakin didn't want to hurt Mace or any Jedi, but he was manipulated into believing doing do was the only hope of finding the power to solve the perceived crisis with his wife's life, and had to make a quick decision. It is moments like this that make me wonder how flawed vs. genuinely heroic Padme is supposed to be. Flaws and virtues seem to occupy two sides of the same coin in SW land.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Dec 24, 2023 2:03:11 GMT
Well, I think the takeaway here is that Palpatine used her strength to get her to do what he wanted. Her strength being her devotion to the safety of her people.
In a pinch, and brimming with youthful passion with a dash of naiveté, she would do whatever she felt was best for her people. Even if it means losing an otherwise decent Chancellor, and unbeknownst to her, opening the door to the doom of the galaxy with the new one.
Palpatine was controlling both sides of the issue here, the high levels of corruption and the crisis.
Just like Anakin in Palpatine's office in RotS. Anakin was maneuvered into a corner where, what was a strength of his, got flipped to its dark side, yes, like a coin.
Padmé isn't a Jedi but I think you could say when she felt she had to oust Valorum she was doing something she didn't really want to do but felt she had to and justified it as the only choice open to her. In other words, flipping her virtue into its darker aspect.
Palpatine even took advantage of people's willingness to go beyond their principles for the greater good of everyone. Like the Jedi when faced with a war. And when Mace decided to execute Palpatine.
Palpatine is the mastermind of traps, and knows how to use people's strengths and inclinations to spring them. In tandem of course with their flaws as well, which usually involve naiveté and/or arrogance.
Vader and Palpatine do this with Luke, as well.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jan 1, 2024 1:28:22 GMT
At the same, I think there's also an example of Amidala's youthful impulsiveness being flipped from a liability to an asset.
She'd already ousted Valorum, so just wait for the new Chancellor to begin setting things right, right? No need to go do anything rash and risky, right?
No, for every minute that goes by while waiting for the gears of the Senate to turn, more of her people suffer.
So when Jar Jar inspires her towards a speedier solution she goes for it. And thanks to everyone's help, she succeeds.
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