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Post by Subtext Mining on Jan 19, 2022 20:02:24 GMT
Padmé suspects Dooku is behind the failed attempt to take her life in relation to the Military Creation Act, in which her decoy dies.It was Nute Gunray's idea, but it was Dooku who ordered the hit. He recruited Jango Fett for the task of assassin - but Jedi intelligence traced things to one of the moons of Naboo.  The investigation of the assassination attempt leads Master Kenobi to Kamino where he finds Jango Fett and the Clones. Kenobi informs Mace and Yoda of millions of clone lives being created for a military for the Republic. It was Sifo-Dyas' idea, but it was Dooku who ordered the army. He recruited Jango Fett for the task of clone template - on one of the moons of Bogden.  Jango Fett is killed by Mace. Later, the Clones kill the Jedi, but fail in their attempt on Kenobi and Yoda. |
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Post by Somny on Jan 28, 2022 18:47:17 GMT
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Post by Somny on Jan 30, 2022 0:10:10 GMT
And to top off this set of observations, a Mustafar eclipse without any succeeding obscurement:  |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jan 30, 2022 10:01:05 GMT
Right. I was checking out the Mustafar scenes after you posted the Episodes I and II shots. We see the half obscured sun three times, but once they come back out of the building we never see it again.   What's interesting is that in each shot it maintains that yin/yang motif. |
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Post by Somny on Jan 30, 2022 19:11:25 GMT
What's interesting is that in each shot it maintains that yin/yang motif. I only see the yin/yang motif in the first AOTC shot. My reading of the orbital display in the ROTS shots is a bit more ominous; a shadowed sphere on the cusp of completely blocking out a luminous one. It's an appropriately foreboding image with none of the comfort of that earlier yin/yang visual. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Jan 31, 2022 1:22:19 GMT
When it comes to the Mustafar eclipse, I sometimes wonder if Lucas is going for a Sol Niger motif, which is a symbol for the putrefactio in alchemy. After all, Mustafar is where Anakin undergoes a metaphorical death.
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Post by Somny on Jan 31, 2022 15:13:59 GMT
When it comes to the Mustafar eclipse, I sometimes wonder if Lucas is going for a Sol Niger motif, which is a symbol for the putrefactio in alchemy. After all, Mustafar is where Anakin undergoes a metaphorical death.  I can see that. |
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Post by hernalt on Feb 21, 2022 14:24:23 GMT
I would be unsurprised if Lucas included an homage to zooming in on the Mandelbrot Set. This is unheimlich, right under your nose, gothic, alien. It promises the macabre of the Underworld, the glowing, vulcanism Id.
Indulging paredoelia- The angle between the lower right street and upper street is something like 108 degrees. Same again with the lower left street and upper street. Crudely, there are two regular pentagons, stretching vastly off screen, joined at a common vertex, nearly exactly under the right hand tail light of the descending speeder. Implicitly, two pentagrams lay dormant in these outlined pentagons, and themselves join at the right tail light. Obi-Wan was in the right hand, passenger seat. If the car was N pixels shifted to the right, so that the left hand tail light was centered at this implicit vertex, then Anakin would be the individual at the center. That would open up Anakin, left sinister, red, Mustafar. That being said, Obi-Wan was at Mustafar. If there was transmitted intentionality, therefore constituting a signal, and not being random noise, then this image would be placing Obi-Wan at the center. I refuse to contemplate that, because I choose that Obi-Wan remain forever more and always a paragon of virtue. Not a pentagon of ways. Therefore, this must be random. It can only be.
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Post by Pyrogenic on Feb 21, 2022 20:38:23 GMT
Indulging Pareidolia?  Satisfying Matrixing!  We literally have the Wachowskis' homage to zooming in on the Mandelbrot Set as a top-down, glowing, golden, gothic, etc. cityscape one year later in The Matrix Revolutions, as seen above...plus some similar AOTC-homage imagery in their Jupiter Ascending...   |
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 1, 2022 8:52:48 GMT
Padmé's strongest supporter, Chancellor Valorum, is taken down and can no longer try to facilitate her situation amidst the gatekeeping. Anakin's strongest supporter, Qui-Gon, is taken down and can no longer try to facilitate his situation amidst the gatekeeping. In the end it was Qui-Gon's sacrifice which helped lead to Anakin being inducted and to Padmé freeing her people.  After being split from his Master, Obi-Wan is victorious when splits Darth Maul in two Before being split from his Mother, Ani splits Sebulba's pod in two and emerges victorious. Before victoriously saving her people, Padmè unites the Gungans and the Naboo. Now that Palpatine is the new Chancellor, he will proceed to split the Galaxy in two. And though the Skywalkertwins are split up, they eventually reunite and help Anakin save the Galaxy. Reuniting, restoring balance, symbiosis. |
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Post by Gen on May 6, 2022 9:24:28 GMT
"Thirty of us went after her."
 "Four of us came back."
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 11, 2022 19:55:49 GMT
Couple of random connections I just now noticed: Anakin warns Jar Jar of the purple energy beam, who subsequently gets zapped:  Obi-Wan warns Anakin of the purple energy beam, who subsequently get zapped:  "Now I am complete."  "The circle is now complete."  |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 11, 2022 20:16:57 GMT
I've always wondered about the power-coupling incident in Attack of the Clones. For one, it doesn't make Anakin and Obi-Wan go numb like Jar Jar in The Phantom Menace. Is it to suggest that Anakin, like Jar Jar, is now the fool poised for a fall? Albeit not a wise fool like Jar Jar.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 11, 2022 21:05:14 GMT
I've always wondered about the power-coupling incident in Attack of the Clones. For one, it doesn't make Anakin and Obi-Wan go numb like Jar Jar in The Phantom Menace. Is it to suggest that Anakin, like Jar Jar, is now the fool poised for a fall? Albeit not a wise fool like Jar Jar. You're right, Anakin even comments that a hand would go "numb for hours" if it touches the beam. Maybe Anakin and Obi-Wan are just so badass and strong as Jedi that it just tickles them. What I find especially interesting is the progression of Anakin's role from the responsible one who warns the clumsy Jar Jar about the beam, to the reckless one who needs to be warned. Anakin is very prim and proper and quite adult-like as a child, and becomes unruly as he gets older. He came from a terrible background, and was able to carry tremendous responsibility as a child, but he changed quite a bit in his teenage years as he lived with the Jedi. I think there is a very complex and realistic quality to Anakin's psychological profile that you don't see in many characters these days. I think that sort of real vulnerability that is laid bare with him is what many people weren't used to and why they disliked him, but it just makes me like him more. He's very relatable in many ways. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 21, 2022 8:22:31 GMT
Jar Jar suggests to Amidala, in a time of emergency, using the Gungan Grand Army to fight against the Droid Army. Jar Jar is soon assigned as Bombad General in the Grand Army. He doesn't really want it, but he accepts the position and does his part to serve his people. The Gungan Army helps save Amidala and the beings of Naboo. But all the while, Palpatine still manages to take one step further in his plan for power.  Jar Jar suggests giving emergency powers to Palpatine with which to create a Grand Army of the Republic to fight against the Droid Army. The Jedi are soon assigned as Generals in this Army. They don't really want it, but they accept the position and do their part to serve the Republic. The Clone Army helps save Amidala and the Jedi on Geonosis. But all the while, Palpatine has still manages to take one step further in his plan for power.  Padmé says she can't condone war, but ends up fighting. Jedi say they aren't soldiers but end up fighting. Palpatine pushed them into these positions they'd normally not go to. |
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Post by Gen on May 26, 2022 7:15:41 GMT
Lost a planet, master Obi-Wan has.
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 27, 2022 18:20:38 GMT
The leaders of the Republic have faith in democracy. They pray the day never comes that they lose democracy. If the Separatists feel threatened they'll turn to the Trade Federation for help. Negotiations should help bring the Separatists back into the Republic. Anakin's concern is Padmé's safety. But he is not a Jedi yet. Sio Bibble fears the Senate will be unable to resolve the crisis. The Senate voting to create an army would push the galaxy into civil war, which there hasn't been since the formation of the Republic. Padmé asks Anakin to use her knowledge to help keep her safe. After doing so, Anakin & Padmé have their first kiss.  The leaders of the Jedi have faith in Anakin. They pray the day never comes that they lose Anakin to the dark side. If Anakin's feels Padmé's safety (and his fears of loss) is threatened he'll turn to Sidious for help. The Jedi Way should help Anakin reel back his fears of loss. Anakin's concern is Padmé's safety. But he is not a Jedi Master yet. Anakin fears the Council will be unable to resolve his crisis. The Council voting to have Anakin spy on the Chancellor created a rift between Anakin and the Jedi, exposed who the Sith Lord was, and brought an end to the 1000 year cold feud between the Sith and the Jedi, which started at the formation of the Republic. Palpatine asks Anakin to use his knowledge to help keep Padmé safe. After Anakin joins the dark side and does his dirty deeds, he and Padmé have their last kiss. This came to me about 5-6 years ago after xezene and tonyg were talking about how the state of the Galaxy is always in parallel with the state of Anakin and of Padmé. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 29, 2022 9:51:32 GMT
Obi-Wan is usually a very by-the-book kind of person, adhering to the Jedi strictures and following the codes - until push comes to shove and it's time for him to act in the moment on instinct. Like when he insisted that he and Anakin only protect Senator Amidala but not investigate. Then, when an assassin droid was right there at the Senator's window, and a brief window of a chance to investigate presented itself, he jumped.  Likewise, Padmé dutifully maintains the societal and professional expectations and conducts befitting a person of her stature and position - until push comes to shove and there's an opportunity to respond in the moment on instinct. Like when Anakin created a window of time for them to connect intimately, she allowed the confines of propriety to dissolve and took it. At least momentarily.  And I think it's safe to say Anakin's free, independent, "damn the torpedos" spirit had done some rubbing off on his two elders. Inspiring them to embrace the taboo and bypass the milieu when it feels more right. I also like how once in the Outlander Club, Obi-Wan uses himself as bait, though he chided Padmé's decision to do so earlier. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jun 6, 2022 10:44:38 GMT
I'd like to copy one of Samnz's blog posts here because it helped me complete a thought I had, and I'd like to add a little. It's one of his very first posts there, in fact. Visual Symbolism...Anakin's hand/arm mirrors Anakin's story/arc in Attack of the Clones, symbolizing a certain loss of humanity.   Early in the movie, we get to see Anakin using his hand for a lot of trivial and playful purposes. He uses them to "play with the Force" in Padmé's apartment and "abuses" his powers when he tries to "impress" Padmé with a flying apple. What he does with his hands here is very jaunty and innocent. Here I'd add breaking the touch barrier by gently caressing Padmé's skin.  As well as shaking his step-dad's hand.  He then continues with this following post. Yes, the Prequels are about bringing together/harmonizing opposites. Though now I'm curious and I'd like to ask Samnz what you meant by being different? |
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Post by Samnz on Jun 13, 2022 6:45:47 GMT
Subtext Mining Honestly, I don't remember. Most probably I had their different upbringing in mind. Padmé, coming from a relatively wealthy and functioning family with a clear perspective of becoming a ruler. Anakin, growing up on a lawless desert world without much inherent promise. They also differ from each other quite a bit in terms of personality. Anakin is much more impulse, driven by feelings and emotions. Padmé tries to keep a rational point of view for most of the time. And yet, they managed to form a bond and a relationship that did - despite their undoing and unhealthy components, which were not in short part due to them keeping it a secret - also offer some benefit to both of them.
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