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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Oct 27, 2021 11:10:25 GMT
Very interesting quotes. Anakin was a "cruiser" and the perfect "angel" happened to appear before him. Padmé is indeed a dream for Anakin, literally and figuratively. And by the end at least, Anakin was more in love with the fantasy of Padmé than the real person. So just as Padmé never really knew Anakin, Anakin might have never known Padmé. It's an interestingly flawed relationship. What I find most interesting about Star Wars is the idea of transformation. All the major characters go through massive changes, and often disguise their true forms. Anakin goes from racing slave boy to Jedi hero to Sith cyborg. Padmé goes from queen to senator to mother But these changes are perhaps just disguises of their true selves. Padmé says of Anakin that "You'll always be that little boy I knew on Tatooine." Even though she meant it jokingly, I think there's some truth to that. Anakin continues to be a "slave" to the Jedi and later the Sith. Inside, he may still be just an angry little boy. Those are quite the pair of transitions. In a way, I think the prequels are about things undergoing phase-transition. George Lucas, like any good storyteller, shows us it's the journey/process that matters (i.e., the PT), not merely the end destination (i.e., the OT). As Qui-Gon says at the start of the Prequel Trilogy: "Be mindful of the Living Force." It's certainly ambitious to pack so much into a mere three movies. Of course, there is a good metaphor in Episode I: Podracing. Like Threepio says: "He has to complete two more circuits? Oh, dear." Although the podrace is more of a metaphor for his entire Saga journey: "It's Skywalker!" The Rise Of. Yep. And don't you like how she refers to a three-word "program?" A hidden-in-plain-sight triad: The Phantom Menace. Legislative Youth Program. Military Creation Act. It's like all the characters are stuck on three-part conveyor belts. Or they're all in a three-lap podrace against their will. Even that is three words: Boonta Eve Classic. Triads and trinities everywhere! And thus, the Japor Snippet to re-member him by. However, the little boy on Tatooine isn't merely angry, he is also compassionate. That's why Padme still sees good in him when no one else does. He's always that little boy on Tatooine, in her eyes. Basically, yeah. Pade's naivete is her undoing. It may also -- paradoxically -- be her salvation. The drop of compassion that quenches Anakin's soul and restores the world to balance. I've seen it said many years ago that the japor snippet bares something in common with a symbol found in several Eastern spiritual traditions called the Endless Knot: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endless_knotIn Buddhism, there are many interpretations (from the above link): A little more about it on the following page: symbolsage.com/endless-knot-meaning/Anakin calls Padme an "angel" in TPM (and gives her the snippet as a token of friendship), their love theme in AOTC is called "Across The Stars", and in ROTS, their tragic fates are intercut, with Padme dying in the light as Vader is born. Seems Lucas really wanted to push the idea that they are soulmates or avatars of the masculine and the feminine, and that their bond is mystical and cyclical (in defiance of the temporal and corporeal aims of the Sith) with no beginning and no end. WARNING: Disney link! Complement and contrast this with TROS, where Rey and Kylo are bonded through a Force Dyad, and instead of Kylo giving Rey a snippet to wear around her neck, he steals one from her. A lot of imagery and plot detail in the film again invokes cyclicality. Quite the foundation laid by the prequels. C- 3PO is an avatar of the PT, as he transforms with each prequel film. "My parts are showing? Oh, my goodness!" could be thought of as metacommentary on the fact that the prequels laid bare the "parts" of the OT, by revealing the origins of characters. Similarly to "naked" C-3PO, young Anakin is a naked Vader. The PT is ripe with changes, while the OT is more uniform. R2 is the avatar of the OT, never changing and always reliable. But the PT is a wilder ride, and more complex, like the inner workings and intricate wiring of the "naked" C-3PO. Red (dark side), blue (light side) and yellow (balance?) wires intricately interwoven, all working together in one body. "I should prefer it if I were a little bit more completed" is also a bit of metacommentary on the saga. The saga would continue with AotC and be completed with RotS. As the saga becomes complete with its final entry, so does C-3PO get his gold coverings.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Oct 28, 2021 22:25:33 GMT
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Nov 1, 2021 20:06:14 GMT
Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are twice enveloped by a massive white light. The first instance is them connecting with each other, with Qui-Gon's hand on Obi-Wan's shoulder. In the second instance Maul comes violently between them and kicks Obi-Wan down several platforms from the light, and then steers the fight to the red gates that lead to a bottomless pit. Visually it tells a story of a fall from grace, the ideal master/apprentice relationship is broken, and subsequently everything starts to go downhill for the Jedi.
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 1, 2021 21:17:25 GMT
Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are twice enveloped by a massive white light. The first instance is them connecting with each other, with Qui-Gon's hand on Obi-Wan's shoulder. In the second instance Maul comes violently between them and kicks Obi-Wan down several platforms from the light, and then steers the fight to the red gates that lead to a bottomless pit. Visually it tells a story of a fall from grace, the ideal master/apprentice relationship is broken, and subsequently everything starts to go downhill for the Jedi. Nice reading. To add to that: There are these other little lanterns that appear in ROTS during the duel on Mustafar, when Anakin and Obi-Wan precariously balance on a narrow line of piping, as they themselves appear like abstract figures in a mist -- there's even a frame full of mist that momentarily floods the viewer's plane, which is a bit like the light glare in the TPM duel (as above): I've always loved this little passage, where Anakin and Obi-Wan basically turn into fighting cats, prowling and uncertain of the other's next move, while the viewer can only wait for the next conflagration between them to erupt (like the landscape they're tussling within). This is also one of the few parts of the duel that wasn't just a load of digital pyrotechnics. The mist/steam that Anakin and Obi-Wan are encompassed by is actually an old-fashioned practical effect: (Advance to 3:55)
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Nov 1, 2021 21:47:34 GMT
Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are twice enveloped by a massive white light. The first instance is them connecting with each other, with Qui-Gon's hand on Obi-Wan's shoulder. In the second instance Maul comes violently between them and kicks Obi-Wan down several platforms from the light, and then steers the fight to the red gates that lead to a bottomless pit. Visually it tells a story of a fall from grace, the ideal master/apprentice relationship is broken, and subsequently everything starts to go downhill for the Jedi. Nice reading. To add to that: There are these other little lanterns that appear in ROTS during the duel on Mustafar, when Anakin and Obi-Wan precariously balance on a narrow line of piping, as they themselves appear like abstract figures in a mist -- there's even a frame full of mist that momentarily floods the viewer's plane, which is a bit like the light glare in the TPM duel (as above): I've always loved this little passage, where Anakin and Obi-Wan basically turn into fighting cats, prowling and uncertain of the other's next move, while the viewer can only wait for the next conflagration between them to erupt (like the landscape they're tussling within). This is also one of the few parts of the duel that wasn't just a load of digital pyrotechnics. The mist/steam that Anakin and Obi-Wan are encompassed by is actually an old-fashioned practical effect: (Advance to 3:55) I love that part too. It really shows that Anakin/Vader is on the hunt and out to get Obi-Wan. The battle isn't just a quick spur of the moment thing out of anger, but a long onslaught, during which Obi-Wan has to constantly be on the defensive. I thought there had to be another instance of Anakin balancing on something, and I found a mirror.
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 1, 2021 22:07:54 GMT
I love that part too. It really shows that Anakin/Vader is on the hunt and out to get Obi-Wan. The battle isn't just a quick spur of the moment thing out of anger, but a long onslaught, during which Obi-Wan has to constantly be on the defensive. I thought there had to be another instance of Anakin balancing on something, and I found a mirror. Ah, very nice. Qui-Gon: "He will bring balance."
Palpatine: "We will catch them off balance."You really nailed it in your explanation there. I think you just unlocked another layer in the appeal of that moment for me. Yes, Anakin isn't going to give up, nor is Obi-Wan going to back down. The world is on fire all around them, and still they battle on, neither of them prepared to surrender an inch. Just looking at the top image you've used a bit more (a very great and epic shot in general), the little lantern on the right looks like a railway signal, and the piping makes them appear to be trespassing on a highly-elevated railway track. Interestingly, in the OT, when Luke tries to get away from Vader in their duels, Vader either tries to break him with a devastating revelation, or simply hurls his saber at the supports of the structure Luke has retreated to -- as if too afraid to make his way to Luke directly (still "burned" by Mustafar, perhaps):
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Nov 1, 2021 22:39:59 GMT
I love that part too. It really shows that Anakin/Vader is on the hunt and out to get Obi-Wan. The battle isn't just a quick spur of the moment thing out of anger, but a long onslaught, during which Obi-Wan has to constantly be on the defensive. I thought there had to be another instance of Anakin balancing on something, and I found a mirror. Ah, very nice. Qui-Gon: "He will bring balance."
Palpatine: "We will catch them off balance."You really nailed it in your explanation there. I think you just unlocked another layer in the appeal of that moment for me. Yes, Anakin isn't going to give up, nor is Obi-Wan going to back down. The world is on fire all around them, and still they battle on, neither of them prepared to surrender an inch. Just looking at the top image you've used a bit more (a very great and epic shot in general), the little lantern on the right looks like a railway signal, and the piping makes them appear to be trespassing on a highly-elevated railway track. Interestingly, in the OT, when Luke tries to get away from Vader in their duels, Vader either tries to break him with a devastating revelation, or simply hurls his saber at the supports of the structure Luke has retreated to -- as if too afraid to make his way to Luke directly (still "burned" by Mustafar, perhaps): Yes, balance. Riffing on your post opened up another idea. Anakin riding the shaak can be interpreted as his carefree attitude towards the prophecy. Then on Mustafar Obi-Wan believes that Anakin has failed the prophecy. Just juxtaposing the heavenly Garden of Eden imagery of Naboo with the hellish Mustafar is interesting. That's a cool tidbit about Vader not following Luke but destroying the supports. It gives extra character to Vader if he's a little more cautious after his injuries.
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 1, 2021 23:25:20 GMT
Yes, balance. Riffing on your post opened up another idea. Anakin riding the shaak can be interpreted as his carefree attitude towards the prophecy. Then on Mustafar Obi-Wan believes that Anakin has failed the prophecy. Just juxtaposing the heavenly Garden of Eden imagery of Naboo with the hellish Mustafar is interesting. Nice connection. What I notice, as well, is how the shaak raises its head up as it tramples Anakin, in what seems like a vaguely haughty gesture of "serves you right". Proud of its biological terror. Anakin riding it is almost like him standing atop a shrunken-down, organic Death Star. Anakin is here flirting with danger: while a "technological terror" may be relatively inert, a natural terror fights back. In the Mustafar example, Obi-Wan is hardly glad to maim Anakin, but he does have a similar haughtiness about him, as neatly encapsulated by his highly meme-worthy line: "I have the high ground." Anakin is again brought low, but this time, the consequences are more serious, and there is no Padme to see if he's alright -- although she does ask after him to Obi-Wan. Yes. Around Luke, Vader is all threats and bluster. He goes from this, a slippery, cold-hearted tyrant: To this, a sad, dejected, lonely screwup: In the top image, those silhouetted men in the background could embody the duality of Anakin/Vader, or Anakin/Obi-Wan, or Anakin and Luke; or even, despite the gender mismatch, Anakin and Padme. Occasionally, their appearance creates confusion: Is that really Luke on the left, stood next to a Cloud City guard or Imperial bureaucrat, secretly watching from afar? Nothing in TESB is quite what it seems. Vader is no help to his own cause -- he has too much incipient curiosity within him. He twice allows himself to get a little distracted, pondering both Han and Luke, who each descend into an abyss (at Vader's own doing): The wreck of Anakin still exists within Vader. Perhaps duelling Luke through the distinctive corridor n Cloud City unlocks a memory from his deep past: Incidentally, that corridor is very narrow -- and by contrast, the heroes, even when on the run from the Empire, have a clear view of the "outside" world, and the corridor itself is much more heavenly: Anyway, yeah: I would posit that Vader is a little fearful of Luke, and a tad hesitant to come after him in narrow or confined spaces, when he feels he no longer has the element of surprise (notice, when he sneaks up on Luke on Cloud City, in the above corridor segment, how rapid his breathing is in that part). Vader would rather rely on other means. One final detail of note: In those images I used earlier, the smoke in the latter shot from ROTJ collects in circular patterns, resembling the small platform or dais that Luke retreats to -- Ring Theory confirmed again?
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Nov 2, 2021 0:17:16 GMT
Yes, balance. Riffing on your post opened up another idea. Anakin riding the shaak can be interpreted as his carefree attitude towards the prophecy. Then on Mustafar Obi-Wan believes that Anakin has failed the prophecy. Just juxtaposing the heavenly Garden of Eden imagery of Naboo with the hellish Mustafar is interesting. Nice connection. What I notice, as well, is how the shaak raises its head up as it tramples Anakin, in what seems like a vaguely haughty gesture of "serves you right". Proud of its biological terror. Anakin riding it is almost like him standing atop a shrunken-down, organic Death Star. Anakin is here flirting with danger: while a "technological terror" may be relatively inert, a natural terror fights back. In the Mustafar example, Obi-Wan is hardly glad to maim Anakin, but he does have a similar haughtiness about him, as neatly encapsulated by his highly meme-worthy line: "I have the high ground." Anakin is again brought low, but this time, the consequences are more serious, and there is no Padme to see if he's alright -- although she does ask after him to Obi-Wan. Yes. Around Luke, Vader is all threats and bluster. He goes from this, a slippery, cold-hearted tyrant: To this, a sad, dejected, lonely screwup: In the top image, those silhouetted men in the background could embody the duality of Anakin/Vader, or Anakin/Obi-Wan, or Anakin and Luke; or even, despite the gender mismatch, Anakin and Padme. Occasionally, their appearance creates confusion: Is that really Luke on the left, stood next to a Cloud City guard or Imperial bureaucrat, secretly watching from afar? Nothing in TESB is quite what it seems. Vader is no help to his own cause -- he has too much incipient curiosity within him. He twice allows himself to get a little distracted, pondering both Han and Luke, who each descend into an abyss (at Vader's own doing): The wreck of Anakin still exists within Vader. Perhaps duelling Luke through the distinctive corridor n Cloud City unlocks a memory from his deep past: Incidentally, that corridor is very narrow -- and by contrast, the heroes, even when on the run from the Empire, have a clear view of the "outside" world, and the corridor itself is much more heavenly: Anyway, yeah: I would posit that Vader is a little fearful of Luke, and a tad hesitant to come after him in narrow or confined spaces, when he feels he no longer has the element of surprise (notice, when he sneaks up on Luke on Cloud City, in the above corridor segment, how rapid his breathing is in that part). Vader would rather rely on other means. One final detail of note: In those images I used earlier, the smoke in the latter shot from ROTJ collects in circular patterns, resembling the small platform or dais that Luke retreats to -- Ring Theory confirmed again? That's a great interpretation. Going even further on that, perhaps the shaak kicking Anakin's butt is the Living Force, the midi-chlorians themselves, telling him to stop playing around and get on that "balancing the Force" thing. Later, when it's happening again (an animal roughhousing Anakin), he exerts more control and is able to use the Force to calm the beast. In this rare calm moment, perhaps Anakin has learned from Qui-Gon's teachings to listen to the midi-chlorians and to be one with the Living Force. Anakin's two encounters with the beasts could also be interpreted as mirroring his two duels with Dooku. Out of control In control Love that mirror of the Mustafar/Cloud City duels. The moments in both when Vader slashes the walls in his anger are some of my favorites. Any moment he shows his anger or vulnerability is one I like because it connects to Anakin.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Nov 24, 2021 11:18:38 GMT
The Spanish word Camino means "path or way" The Tibetan word Lam also means "path or way". The Tibetan words "Dalai" & "Lama" mean "ocean" and "guru or he who goeth", respectively. Lama shares the same root with Lam. Lama Su is the Prime Minister of Kamino, the ocean world. Dalai Lama sounds a bit like Dolly Lamb, the first cloned animal. The saber-dart led Kenobi on the path to Kamino which was the path to the Clone Wars. Also interesting that Kamino was erased from the maps and star charts. Obi-Wan had to find it by mathematic calculations and it's gravity field. Neptune, our ocean planet, is not visible to the unaided eye and is the only planet in our Solar System found by mathematical prediction rather than by empirical observation. Unexpected changes in the orbit of Uranus led Alexis Boulevard to deduce that its orbit was subject to gravitational perturbation by an unknown planet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune The element Neptunium is assigned the number 93. It's most stable isotope is 237. Also interesting that it's symbol is Np, bringing to mind Natalie Portman. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptunium
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 24, 2021 15:53:19 GMT
Lama Su is the Prime Minister of Kamino, the ocean world. Dalai Lama sounds a bit like Dolly Lamb, the first cloned animal. Does Anakin Dream of Electric Tuskens?
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 27, 2021 23:30:59 GMT
Purple skies and little lights -- midi-chlorians? -- as Padme and Anakin are laid to rest at the close of each trilogy:
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 27, 2021 23:34:23 GMT
Father and son -- fire and water:
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 27, 2021 23:51:46 GMT
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Dec 6, 2021 21:12:09 GMT
Purple skies and little lights -- midi-chlorians? -- as Padme and Anakin are laid to rest at the close of each trilogy: You get the sense that the Force is related to light and fire. The fire burns out in Yoda's hut after his death. You also get the little lights from the Ewoks' camp fires. This is actually a neat mirror with Yoda's hut. Always wondered what this luminous orb is. Maybe some highly concentrated midi-chlorians or Whills? Seems like some kind of Force ball. Father and son -- fire and water: This is just an awesome visual parallel. I like to think that Qui-Gon is present in both, trying to tell Anakin things when he's meditating and then being present at his funeral pyre.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Dec 19, 2021 17:01:19 GMT
There's even mirroring happening within individual films. Circles within circles within circles. Interlinked. Having a conversation while gazing at a planet/sun: Anakin rides and tumbles off a beast:
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Dec 19, 2021 17:15:45 GMT
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Post by smittysgelato on Dec 19, 2021 21:00:11 GMT
Gotta love that Jar Jar energy in the shot where Anakin tumbles off of the Shaak.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Dec 29, 2021 18:23:01 GMT
A parent/master dies in a hut next to a fireplace: "Stay with me, mom." "Master Yoda, you can't die." Yoda's counsel to Luke is similar to his counsel to Anakin. It seems like Yoda refers to Darth Plagueis' ability to extend life with the Force in RotJ, something that Anakin was wanting to hear from Yoda in RotS: "Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not, miss them do not." "Strong am I with the Force, but not that strong. Twilight is upon me, and soon night must fall. That is the way of things. The way of the Force."
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jan 8, 2022 22:21:06 GMT
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