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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 18, 2024 19:29:32 GMT
I hear the so-called Rey movie has been cancelled. How that was greenlit in the first place, I shall never understand. Many more probably wanted Solo and look how that turned out.
We need a clean-out of the entire managerial class at Lucasfilm.
I thought that was just a rumour. And Rey has her fans. They're all over the internet, you just gotta go to the right places. Back when I used reddit more I saw them popping up on there. Usually younger people (Gen Z).
Press F to doubt on the Sequels receiving the same revival of opinion that the Prequels did. I am tired of this predictable response, time doesn't heal everything. Even the bashers would acknowledge that the PT finished on a high and had originality, something we can all agree is desperately lacking in the hodgebodge that is the Disney Trilogy. TROS ended on a low, you had different sections of the fandom heavily dissatisfied each in their own way. Reylos are a bizarre, Disney consooomer minority.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jan 18, 2024 20:35:49 GMT
I thought that was just a rumour. And Rey has her fans. They're all over the internet, you just gotta go to the right places. Back when I used reddit more I saw them popping up on there. Usually younger people (Gen Z).
Press F to doubt on the Sequels receiving the same revival of opinion that the Prequels did. I am tired of this predictable response, time doesn't heal everything. Even the bashers would acknowledge that the PT finished on a high and had originality, something we can all agree is desperately lacking in the hodgebodge that is the Disney Trilogy. TROS ended on a low, you had different sections of the fandom heavily dissatisfied each in their own way. Reylos are a bizarre, Disney consooomer minority.
I have no idea if they will receive that level of revival. And yes, I also run into plenty of people on the internet who are dissatisfied with the Sequels for various reasons. That being said, I'm not just making it up when I say that I also frequently encounter Rey fans. They exist whether you like it or not. I see the Rey/Sequel fans saying the same thing about the Sequel haters that the Sequel haters say about them: "they're just the minority." Everyone needs to take a heavy dose of humility because none of us have any real data (not that I know of at least. Would love to see some) on what percentage each of these factions occupy within the fandom. It makes me wonder if each faction just wants to pretend the others don't exist? That being said Archduke, you specifically used the term "Reylos," so you may be specifically referring to the fans of the pairing of Kylo and Rey as romantic partners. But, then, again, you might just be using the term more loosely to refer to Rey fans in general. Which is it? At any rate, I bet it is possible to be a Rey fan, but not enjoy her pairing with Kylo. As for Gen Z, I don't actually know any Gen Z'ers IRL, and haven't gotten the vibe from any of the Rey fans among them that I have encountered on the internet that they actually expect to get anywhere with no work. The only GEN Zer I am at all familiar with is a favourite artist of mine, who is so WICKEDLY talented at a young age that it makes my head spin. She's earned all the love she gets as far as I am concerned. She's certainly practiced her craft for far longer than Rey ever held a lightsaber, though, that's for sure. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 20, 2024 20:03:04 GMT
Just to get this it out of the way: these American-centric generations are entirely arbitrary, they don't even fit the Western world, not the mind the whole world. Some of us had "baby booms" pre-WWII, others well into the 90s or even today. If we have to pick designations, let's go with decades, seeing as the whole world is on board that framework.
I hope people of all ages can enjoy the Prequels for what they are: the completion of George Lucas' tour de force. These films stand very well up to time, offering a cautionary warning, particularly relevant in light of subsequent events in the real world. What to say of the Sequels? An incoherent shambles whose only common theme is the plagiarism of the OT.
From my understanding, the only ones left enjoying the ST after TROS are Reylos - they were given their stupid kiss, after all. Of course, not all Reylos, several surely were angered by the killing off of Kylo Ren - or Ben, as they would assuredly correct me. I'm not sure that Rey had much of the adult-aged enthusiastic supporters that Kylo Ren had when the trilogy was airing.
I suppose some of the enjoyers of TLJ would fall into that camp. While I wouldn't say the pairing was the item that first soured them on TROS, its probably counted on their lists of the negatives in reviews. The u-turn on Rey's identity is believed to be the biggest cause of turn-off. Surveys or a study of fan reviews would give us a more thorough understanding.
I had severe issues - lambasted at greater length elsewhere - with the Sequel trilogy forming a romance between an out-and-proud Space fascist (2nd in command of the imperial structure) and Rey, the cleaner-than-clean, whiter-than-white protagonist or heroine. Comparisons with Anakin do not hold up, let me be clear about this, for Skywalker is only a confirmed Space autocrat half-way through Episode III, and not open about it until Mustafar, and in a position of authority at close. So what happens when it is revealed that Anakin has joined Palpatine's new empire? Padmé rightfully abandons him, before subsequently being assaulted. The PT equivalent of what occurred in the ST is if Padmé fell in love with a (suitless, obviously) Darth Vader at the end of ROTS, not the dashing, misfit Jedi trainee of the start of AOTC. Padmé can at least plead naivety, for she as a mere mortal could not foretell the dark future by the lakes of Naboo, and was not to know that her romantic partner would transform into such a monster either (not unlike women of our own world, it must be added).
Kylo Ren essentially is Darth Vader from the beginning of TFA, and he's in a trilogy with a span of just a few years. In the PT, by contrast, we take the life of an innocent young boy and follow it all the way into adulthood, as we watch a man be tempted and then consumed by darkness. These are not characters in the same stages of their lives. In typical Disney-style, as a rebuke to Lucas, the ST even made Kylo Ren older at early 30s.
Rey should not be falling in love with a guy running an empire. If you (Disney) are going to lecture us on feminism, as you did in TLJ, you should realise that you're completing contradicting yourself with such a trope.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jan 22, 2024 6:06:13 GMT
Amen to everything you said about Generational categories.
Reylo is a strange remix of Anakin/Padme, Luke/Vader. My understanding is, like Luke with Vader, Rey sees the good in Kylo Ren ("I did want to take your hand. Ben's hand."), but rebukes his advances until he ditches the darkside and The First Order. When I saw it in the theatre I was surprised feminist-loving Disney allowed it. I was like...this is gonna piss the feminists off right!? xD
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jan 31, 2024 2:19:03 GMT
I think it's fairly clear, at least based on the sale of merchandise and even box office returns, that there was a considerable loss of interest in the sequels halfway through.
Has to be part of the reason why LFL seems terrified of putting out a new movie
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Post by jppiper on Mar 16, 2024 1:26:17 GMT
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Mar 16, 2024 2:48:19 GMT
We shall see if it gets made
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Post by jppiper on Mar 18, 2024 22:54:22 GMT
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Post by Ingram on Mar 19, 2024 10:54:27 GMT
Eh, sounds like a long shot. Right now the whole IP-appropriated franchise industry across the board from supes to SW and just about everything in between is suffering a fairly acute existential crises. Count me among the few who genuinely (albeit modestly) adores Wonder Woman 84 so I couldn't give a shit about the DCEU now under the smarmy Gunn. That Jenkins might somehow get a solid, good ol' fashioned starfighter adventure off the ground, let alone one uncompromised by Lucasfilm's current schizophrenia, well...
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Mar 19, 2024 18:06:15 GMT
The Acolyte is one of those projects that sounds promising in theory- except when you get to the fact that it is being run by Leslie Headllund 😑
Perhaps nothing else highlights more the hypocrisy of Lucasfilm (and in turn Hollywood) than this
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Post by jppiper on Mar 19, 2024 18:07:32 GMT
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Post by Ingram on Mar 20, 2024 5:56:00 GMT
The internet response has been...less than kind.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Mar 20, 2024 6:49:24 GMT
These live action Disney+ shows have been going down a steady and steep decline in quality ever since they debuted with The Mandalorian. To me, this just looks low rent. I don't know if it was just the novelty of being the first live action SW show, but Mando looked and felt much more authentic to me. They were mostly able to keep that level quality for the second season, though I do think it was overall a slight step down. Boba was clearly significantly less impressive with its production values, so was Obi-Wan (though I like the themes of that show) and the third season of Mando was a big disappointment also. Ahsoka, aside from the fantastically realized Clone Wars flashbacks, felt so hokey I couldn't watch past the first episode. It just feels like new SW shows are crawling out of the woodwork. You would think that Disney would have learned their lesson from overcrowding the market with SW movies, but now they are doing the same with their shows, diluting the prestige of the brand name even further.
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Post by jppiper on Mar 20, 2024 23:25:53 GMT
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Mar 24, 2024 0:56:13 GMT
I'm not opening that. All I will say is this is nonsense. The Jedi have been inspiring real life human human beings for some 46 years now, long before either of us were born. They're painted as heavily flawed in the PT, and right from the beginning when we acknowledge Jinn as our moral compass. That doesn't imply they're villains (ie evil) though. The idea that the Jedi and Sith are the same is a falsehood from Palpatine.
People are being naive and not allowing themselves to think for a moment when they criticise the Jedi Order for "being involved in politics". They fail to consider that at one might the context may have been far different then the present of the films, that serving the Republic was the right decision at one point in their history. As I've written elsewhere, my theory is that it was a decision forced on them during the pre-Republic anarchic times, for out of control force users would pose great risk to civilians. By subordinating them to a democracy, as a quasi-police force, they can be controlled. What is an independent force user but a vigilante? That's at best.
The Jedi Order are flawed heroes in the PT. They are doomed to defeat by Palpatine, and their bad relationship with Anakin only makes their downfall quicker and more theatrical.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Mar 27, 2024 21:24:43 GMT
Just more of diznee giving the people what they want, instead of what they need. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Mar 27, 2024 21:28:21 GMT
You know, I was thinking, the central issue over the Beatles breaking up was essentially over their concerns for release fatigue. But diz has shown us that most people don't actually get release fatigue. They'll gobble up anything and everything that comes down the pipe. But that's the difference between the Beatles and George Lucas. I guess eventually some greedy corporation was going to actually try it and see.  |
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Post by smittysgelato on Mar 27, 2024 21:35:03 GMT
I'm not reading it either, but just more of diznee giving the people what they want, instead of what they need. Yeah, describing the Jedi as villains is a gross exaggeration, so at the very least, it is either a poor choice of words in attempt to explain how the Jedi can get in their own way, or she is describing them from the Sith's perspective, or she just plain doesn't understand the Jedi at all. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Mar 27, 2024 23:08:54 GMT
I went and read that article but at no point do they include a direct quotation from Leslie herself, the article merely summarizes what she said. Not only that, they do so with slightly different wording at different points in the article. I am gonna have to go and watch some stuff from Celebration 2023 to hear exactly what she said in her own words, as to get the most accurate representation of what she thinks. Skip the secondary source if you can and go straight to the primary source.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Mar 27, 2024 23:22:17 GMT
Yeah, I read it and it's vague af. The headline is crowd-pleasing clickbait, though. The now tired modern hollywood practice of stirring up controversy to get people to watch their stuff.
But with that said, she does say the Jedi in this series will be doing bad things as a means to an end. Yeah, we already saw the Rebellion do that in R1. So edgy.
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