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Post by thephantomcalamari on Dec 20, 2020 4:31:28 GMT
screenrant.com/book-boba-fett-release-date-cast-story-updates/So I guess Star Wars is just various forms of Mandalorian now? This is exactly what happened in the EU. The Mandalorians became insanely idealized, overpowered, and oversaturated, and they ended up invading every part of the franchise. IMO this is not what Star Wars is really supposed to be about, but it's what happens when the fans start running the show. Hate to be a buzzkill but I see the Mandalorians as an ancient race of militant supercommandos based on the Spartans, not a diverse cultural diaspora of noble warriors who adopt others into their distinctly non-racial creed--that's what the Jedi are. I am not a fan of this regression to the EU version of Mandalorians--complete with the reintegration of the Fetts--in direct contradiction to everything Lucas, the creator of the franchise, considered them to be. Full disclosure, I haven't kept up with The Mandalorian past the first season because I obviously didn't vibe with the basic premise, and the show struck me as very pedestrian, visually unimaginative, and lacking in innovation aside from its high production value. If this is considered to be the best version of what Disney Star Wars can be going forward then I don't think this new Star Wars is ever going to appeal to me.
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Post by Cryogenic on Dec 20, 2020 4:44:51 GMT
The Coliseum looks like a classy old joint, Cryo. A shame to hear of its demise. It was a bit scruffy, but certainly had character. Built in 1931. The ideal Star Wars/Indiana Jones/George Lucas decade. Its passing was tragic enough to make the Wales section of the BBC News website: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-35660855This online Welsh newspaper has a bit more info: www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/end-era-demolition-porthmadogs-coliseum-11007891Really quite a shame it couldn't earn listed-building status. Ironically, the year after it was demolished, I was living in a listed building in Wales. Sounds like a plan. At the moment, however, it would be Star Wars Covid Celebration. And then I would probably struggle to afford the expense of the trip. There's always VR, though... screenrant.com/book-boba-fett-release-date-cast-story-updates/So I guess Star Wars is just various forms of Mandalorian now? This is exactly what happened in the EU. The Mandalorians became insanely idealized, overpowered, and oversaturated, and they ended up invading every part of the franchise. IMO this is not what Star Wars is really supposed to be about, but it's what happens when the fans start running the show. Hate to be a buzzkill but I see the Mandalorians as an ancient race of militant supercommandos based on the Spartans, not a diverse cultural diaspora of noble warriors who adopt others into their distinctly non-racial creed--that's what the Jedi are. I am not a fan of this regression to the EU version of Mandalorians--complete with the reintegration of the Fetts--in direct contradiction to everything Lucas considered them to be. I think it's a bit premature to call it at this stage. What's pretty clear, however, is that Disney are plugging in all their low bets, to quote Mike Stoklasa/RedLetterMedia. Believe it or not, there are many Star Wars fans (especially those posting on Twitter) that share your disdain. I've never really cared a great deal for the character. My primary interest in Star Wars has always lain with the saga films. To date, I have remained fairly indifferent about the rest of it. |
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Post by thephantomcalamari on Dec 20, 2020 5:11:45 GMT
I think it's a bit premature to call it at this stage. What's pretty clear, however, is that Disney are plugging in all their low bets, to quote Mike Stoklasa/RedLetterMedia. Believe it or not, there are many Star Wars fans (especially those posting on Twitter) that share your disdain. I've never really cared a great deal for the character. My primary interest in Star Wars has always lain with the saga films. To date, I have remained fairly indifferent about the rest of it. I would certainly recommend The Clone Wars, as it reflects Lucas's vision, broadly speaking. Of course as executive producer he wasn't involved on a day-to-day basis, so you're getting more of a Lucas-Filoni hybrid than pure Lucas, but despite my disdain for the current direction of the franchise I do have great regard for Filoni as someone who understands Lucas's vision more than most. At the very least, you're not getting anything that seriously conflicts with the true Lucasian Star Wars. He himself considered it to be on the same level as the films. It is ultimately a Lucas creation and well worth the while. As for this current crop, yes, technically too soon to say, but I can see the direction things are going. With Filoni's influence, things are perhaps more on track than they were before, but Filoni is at the end of the day his own man, and so is Jon Favreau, and they don't necessarily see things the same way Lucas did. In some ways maybe that's for the better, in some ways maybe for the worse, but all-in-all it's not what I'm personally looking for. Though it may seem to some like I'm grasping at straws for things to take issue with, I do find it a little unsettling how universally fan-pleasing The Mandalorian seems to be, at least among the greater part of the loyal fanbase. Even with The Clone Wars, as popular as it was, there were many episodes that many fans simply did not "get," not at the time and, for some, not even still--which I appreciated, because those were the episodes that were pushing the envelope like the prequels were. And yet the series was still popular in spite of these episodes, which showed that Lucas wasn't going completely off the reservation and making art that was excessively inaccessible. It was a perfect balance. I didn't get a sense of that balance with what I've seen of The Mandalorian. It seemed to be all of the things the fans liked with none of the things they didn't. What this means is that we're really not venturing into new frontiers or getting a truly idiosyncratic vision which radically expands our ideas of what Star Wars can be. Maybe this has all changed in the second season, but from what I hear of it, it doesn't sound like it. And under the structural constraints which Disney Star Wars inherently operates under, I'm not sure it can be what it was ever again, and that makes me kind of sad, though I suppose I really should just go for a walk outside and get some perspective. I don't know. I have a continuing interest in Star Wars, even if just an academic one, and this is something I'd like to talk about somewhere. But I do genuinely hate being the hater. I really don't begrudge people for enjoying things, but certainly on a George Lucas fan forum there's some room to discuss the fact that even with Filoni in a position of great influence, the absence of Lucas's vision is still glaringly felt. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Dec 20, 2020 5:54:53 GMT
I think it's a bit premature to call it at this stage. What's pretty clear, however, is that Disney are plugging in all their low bets, to quote Mike Stoklasa/RedLetterMedia. Believe it or not, there are many Star Wars fans (especially those posting on Twitter) that share your disdain. I've never really cared a great deal for the character. My primary interest in Star Wars has always lain with the saga films. To date, I have remained fairly indifferent about the rest of it. I would certainly recommend The Clone Wars, as it reflects Lucas's vision, broadly speaking. Of course as executive producer he wasn't involved on a day-to-day basis, so you're getting more of a Lucas-Filoni hybrid than pure Lucas, but despite my disdain for the current direction of the franchise I do have great regard for Filoni as someone who understands Lucas's vision more than most. At the very least, you're not getting anything that seriously conflicts with the true Lucasian Star Wars. He himself considered it to be on the same level as the films. It is ultimately a Lucas creation and well worth the while. Yeah. TCW is the one thing that seriously intrigues me. I'm playing to get ahold of it. Unfortunately, as mentioned in another thread, when I sincerely went to purchase it on DVD earlier this year, the price tag was a whopping £179.99. That's way out of my budget. Maybe I can download the whole thing more cheaply next year or whenever. There hasn't been a lot of boat-pushing under Disney these past eight years. The most conspicuous example is "The Last Jedi", and we all saw what happened there. They are going to keep playing it safe until they maybe see a good reason to move beyond that basic commercial strategy. George Lucas was all about artistic experimentation. These people? Not so much. It certainly is a paradigm shift. It's not all bad. I think, in part, it comes down to how much you can tolerate fan placation to get at those underlying nuggets of gold. This is where TROS clicks for me. Sometimes, I'm better able to suspend my critical faculties if the approach is a bit more sexed-up and outrageous -- at least, that's what happened with Episode IX, in my case. Lucas knew how to balance things, but there have been growing pains since the people at Disney started rolling out their own concepts. Maybe it'll settle into a nice groove eventually. I have had moments of being extremely negative and cynical toward the transition. Perhaps you saw this monster post bashing "Rogue One" (and a follow-up bashing Gareth Edwards) from me on TFN in 2017 (barely eight weeks before I was banned)? Star Wars is definitely different now. But there are still workable elements and intriguing aspects at work. However, maybe TLJ aside (and even then), there just isn't the same visionary eccentricity as before, and maybe there won't be again. If so, my interest in the series will probably fade in time. But I'm not casting aside all hope yet, and I'm still fanboying over TROS and trying to come up with new interpretations. It's a fun movie to roll around in my head. As long as something called Star Wars is doing that to you, the series still has a place in our hearts. Granted, regressive politics and intolerant, knee-jerk morons both within Lucasfilm and without, trashing and cancelling one another hasn't helped (personal anecdote: TFN skulduggery aside... I friended Matthew Wood on Facebook a few months ago, but after I criticised Joe Biden, he instantly unfriended me), but we somehow have to look past that -- if we can... Don't let me discourage you. Criticism is perfectly acceptable here. Extensive or scattershot criticism is perhaps best posted to the Disney Wars thread, but there's nothing wrong with being distrusting or critical in relevant locations. Sometimes, a bit of self-censorship is probably best, but that's down to the individual and shouldn't be imposed from the outside. Everyone needs to come to their own balance in their own way. If these projects strike you as safe or false, you're perfectly within your right to say so and expound on your misgivings within a thread like this. |
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Post by thephantomcalamari on Dec 20, 2020 6:05:04 GMT
I would certainly recommend The Clone Wars, as it reflects Lucas's vision, broadly speaking. Of course as executive producer he wasn't involved on a day-to-day basis, so you're getting more of a Lucas-Filoni hybrid than pure Lucas, but despite my disdain for the current direction of the franchise I do have great regard for Filoni as someone who understands Lucas's vision more than most. At the very least, you're not getting anything that seriously conflicts with the true Lucasian Star Wars. He himself considered it to be on the same level as the films. It is ultimately a Lucas creation and well worth the while. Yeah. TCW is the one thing that seriously intrigues me. I'm playing to get ahold of it. Unfortunately, as mentioned in another thread, when I sincerely went to purchase it on DVD earlier this year, the price tag was a whopping £179.99. That's way out of my budget. Maybe I can download the whole thing more cheaply next year or whenever. There hasn't been a lot of boat-pushing under Disney these past eight years. The most conspicuous example is "The Last Jedi", and we all saw what happened there. They are going to keep playing it safe until they maybe see a good reason to move beyond that basic commercial strategy. George Lucas was all about artistic experimentation. These people? Not so much. It certainly is a paradigm shift. It's not all bad. I think, in part, it comes down to how much you can tolerate fan placation to get at those underlying nuggets of gold. This is where TROS clicks for me. Sometimes, I'm better able to suspend my critical faculties if the approach is a bit more sexed-up and outrageous -- at least, that's what happened with Episode IX, in my case. Lucas knew how to balance things, but there have been growing pains since the people at Disney started rolling out their own concepts. Maybe it'll settle into a nice groove eventually. I have had moments of being extremely negative and cynical toward the transition. Perhaps you saw this monster post bashing "Rogue One" (and a follow-up bashing Gareth Edwards) from me on TFN in 2017 (barely eight weeks before I was banned)? Star Wars is definitely different now. But there are still workable elements and intriguing aspects at work. However, maybe TLJ aside (and even then), there just isn't the same visionary eccentricity as before, and maybe there won't be again. If so, my interest in the series will probably fade in time. But I'm not casting aside all hope yet, and I'm still fanboying over TROS and trying to come up with new interpretations. It's a fun movie to roll around in my head. As long as something called Star Wars is doing that to you, the series still has a place in our hearts. Granted, regressive politics and intolerant, knee-jerk morons both within Lucasfilm and without, trashing and cancelling one another hasn't helped (personal anecdote: TFN skulduggery aside... I friended Matthew Wood on Facebook a few months ago, but after I criticised Joe Biden, he instantly unfriended me), but we somehow have to look past that -- if we can... Don't let me discourage you. Criticism is perfectly acceptable here. Extensive or scattershot criticism is perhaps best posted to the Disney Wars thread, but there's nothing wrong with being distrusting or critical in relevant locations. Sometimes, a bit of self-censorship is probably best, but that's down to the individual and shouldn't be imposed from the outside. Everyone needs to come to their own balance in their own way. If these projects strike you as safe or false, you're perfectly within your right to say so and expound on your misgivings within a thread like this. Ah yes, didn't realize there was a dedicated thread for such things. As for self-censorship--yes, sometimes a bit of it is probably best. However, whenever I try it, it never seems to last long. Perhaps that has something to do with why I'm here? ...Nah. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Dec 20, 2020 6:36:35 GMT
Don't let me discourage you. Criticism is perfectly acceptable here. Extensive or scattershot criticism is perhaps best posted to the Disney Wars thread, but there's nothing wrong with being distrusting or critical in relevant locations. Sometimes, a bit of self-censorship is probably best, but that's down to the individual and shouldn't be imposed from the outside. Everyone needs to come to their own balance in their own way. If these projects strike you as safe or false, you're perfectly within your right to say so and expound on your misgivings within a thread like this. Ah yes, didn't realize there was a dedicated thread for such things. There is, but its purpose might appear a bit muddled. However, feel free to use it at any time. I've always got things I'm at least thinking of dropping in there. LOL. Don't sweat it. Those tyrannical ideologues make you do it in the end. It reflects way more on them than it does on you. |
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Post by Somny on Jan 9, 2021 1:42:26 GMT
I posted some new info about the 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' series, courtesy of a Naboo News tweet, in that series' speculation thread.
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Post by Anthony on Jan 16, 2021 19:35:15 GMT
It's nice to have Obi-Wan and The Bad Batch. There's still not enough projects that highlight stuff from the Prequels though 🤷♂️
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Post by natalie on Jan 16, 2021 20:03:01 GMT
Obi-Wan is the only one I'm looking to, and mostly because of Ewan. I hope we're not getting any stupid "rematch" KK mentioned.
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Post by jppiper on Jan 18, 2021 14:02:53 GMT
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Post by natalie on Jan 26, 2021 17:08:04 GMT
Yikes. If Mando is the best they can do the future looks bleak. |
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Post by jppiper on Feb 25, 2021 2:16:09 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Apr 1, 2021 15:52:48 GMT
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Post by Alexrd on Apr 12, 2021 20:48:15 GMT
If they release it on Blu-ray, I'll pay for it. Until then...
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Post by jppiper on Nov 8, 2021 21:11:58 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 9, 2021 14:02:19 GMT
That's a shame. Hopefully, there isn't yet another behind-the-scenes kerfuffle, and Patty Jenkins still gets to impose her keen artistic stamp on this project. |
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Post by jppiper on Nov 9, 2021 16:15:11 GMT
CryogenicThe Wonder Woman Sequel may have had something to do with it
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 9, 2021 16:40:58 GMT
Cryogenic The Wonder Woman Sequel may have had something to do with it Yep. That should receive priority. Jenkins started that line of superhero movies off, and it's only right that she should have the opportunity to continue it and build it out first. She also sounds like she's a busy woman in general. I hope she doesn't lose this project. If she genuinely has an extension, that's terrific. But you also can't expect Disney/LFL to wait forever. One way or another, I wish her well and hope she gets to helm a Star Wars thing eventually. |
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Post by jppiper on Nov 9, 2021 19:17:31 GMT
Cryogenic Actually i was Talking about Wonder Woman 1984 (i've yet to see both films)
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 9, 2021 19:54:09 GMT
Cryogenic Actually i was Talking about Wonder Woman 1984 (i've yet to see both films) She's making a third in the series (as writer and director) and also helming another project with Gal Gadot ("Cleopatra"). So there's already plenty to keep her busy. We'll see if she is able to make a Star Wars film in the next few years. Either way, she must have a lot of energy. |
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