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Post by jppiper on Jun 7, 2024 5:13:58 GMT
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Post by tonyg on Jun 11, 2024 20:03:46 GMT
I suppose Yoda and Obi Wan lived a very exiting social and etc. life in OT, encouraging Luke to follow the same path and have fun even in this direction. (Sarcasm intended). Now, seriously, did we watched the same movies? It is exactly in ROTJ when Luke, well, became a Jedi according to his friends he became calm and more patient, not to mention, ascetic. Yes, he struggles with his feelings towards Leia (while he in the beginning does not know why he has such) but struggle is the word. I will not bring to the table the visuals as argument although cinema is a visual art. The Jedi look like monks (the robes). What they wear under the robes is more like Japanese traditional warrior costume but the robes (especially with the hood on) are typical monk robes (we have such discussion with one of the users on the forums of the.force.net). The funny thing is that in OT the Sith looks like monks also, more let say it as inquisitors, being the bad side. It is not a coincidence that in EU and after that in Rebels the 'acolytes' of the Sith are called indeed inquisitors. In short, this is the next "I don't like it this way, so it doesn't exist" argument.
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Post by jppiper on Jun 11, 2024 21:54:23 GMT
tonygAnd the comments not on STC but on BTC? including another jab at Luke not showing any emotion over the charred remains of his Aunt and Uncle that really Pisses me off!
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Post by jppiper on Jun 14, 2024 19:57:51 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Jun 16, 2024 0:45:07 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Jun 16, 2024 17:56:43 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Jun 17, 2024 20:06:44 GMT
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Post by tonyg on Jun 19, 2024 14:44:00 GMT
People who reference SW to a very narrow political period in a specific country (in this case, USA) couldn't be defined as wide-minded. Yes, SW is American movie, this is a simple fact. However, Lucas tried to implement more universal or at least wider message to it and he succeeded, otherwise SW couldn't have so wide fanbase all over the world. Limit it on a national level (in the worst possible meaning of this word) is not a compliment.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jun 19, 2024 22:35:11 GMT
Matt Walsh is frankly an unbearable culture war pundit who seems angry all the time- why listen to him?
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 19, 2024 22:40:58 GMT
Matt Walsh is frankly an unbearable culture war pundit who seems angry all the time- why listen to him? I don't even mind right wing clickbait media (especially Alex Jones), but Matt Walsh is like Ben Shapiro for even bigger douchebags. What a militant normie prick.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 20, 2024 0:14:55 GMT
Matt Walsh is frankly an unbearable culture war pundit who seems angry all the time- why listen to him? I don't even mind right wing clickbait media (especially Alex Jones), but Matt Walsh is like Ben Shapiro for even bigger douchebags. What a militant normie prick. His staunch transphobia is hard to stomach for anyone with an ounce of decency or compassion within them. It also marks him out as a bigoted loser on the wrong side of the argument. Although he identifies as a Catholic, even Catholic organisations have banned him due to his hateful, unrepentant views. The man is entitled to his opinions, but they're clearly malignant and insufferably expressed. The pride he takes in being narrowminded and stoking hatred is alarming. Even the wording of his Star Wars tweet, as highlighted by jppiper , is odd: How sad do you have to be to make that kind of association ("...during the first Reagan administration")? He's surely being a tad glib, but really, I think it still needs to be said: correlation does not equal causation. Star Wars appeared on the scene as a stark counter-culture response to Nixon, Vietnam, and Watergate, and Lucas even explicitly wrote in early story notes that "The empire is like America ten years from now". And, of course, in TPM, Nute Gunray's second name is both a homage to "raygun" and a pun on "Reagan", while his first name is a pointed reference to Newt Gingrich (who himself tried running for the Republican nomination of President in 2012). In 1988, while Reagan was still President, George Lucas also spoke at a subcommittee in Washington that March along with filmmaking buddy Steven Spielberg, deriding the present administration (and, it must be said, former administrations) for its indifference to what he saw as "barbaric" behaviour by " people who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power", in his bid to get the United States to finally join the Berne Convention. The following year, it did so, but in a fairly perfunctory and non-committal way: Notice, in TPM, the "outer" plot of the movie revolves around a pact the ambitious Senator Palpatine has secretly made, via his Sith persona of Darth Sidious, with the Trade Federation, who are convinced the Senate will ratify the treaty they're trying to force Queen Amidala to sign. Perhaps someone should also tell Matt Walsh that Jimmy Carter was President when ANH was released and also during the full production cycle of "The Empire Strikes Back", which is widely held to be the best of the Original Trilogy. Indeed, "Return Of The Jedi", which came out when Reagan had taken office, is often considered an inferior sequel. This all basically paints Walsh, like many bashers and pundits who pander to bashing trends (these days, it's hard to tell the two apart), as a preening ignoramus, idiotically longing for the "good ol' days" -- times that are remembered very selectively; and, it turns out, fatuously.
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Post by jppiper on Jun 20, 2024 0:32:04 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 20, 2024 1:18:46 GMT
Well, it's a hyper-random Reddit comment -- even I'm not sure such detritus should be given that much attention. To comment on it, especially in isolation, is to glorify it. But if you really want me to respond... First of all, the thread: The comment: First off, congrats to the troll for posting off-topic and trying to steer the discussion away from the flaws and fallacies of Disney, per the opening post. Second, their entire comment can be dismissed with a laugh and a giggle, thanks to the above (as highlighted). Lucas was and is the problem with Star Wars!!! Yeah, he's only the dude that came up with the whole concept, banged out six awesome feature films, (indirectly) oversaw countless video games, comic books, novels, spinoffs, even helped birth and shepherd an Emmy Award-winning animated series. Without Lucas, this guy's entire post evaporates. Without Lucas, there literally is no Star Wars, and nothing to sell to Disney or to anyone else, and nothing for the trolls to discontentedly whine about. It's almost like saying the whole problem with Christianity is Jesus, or the whole problem with The Beatles is John Lennon. I mean, really, what is this guy smoking, and where can I (not) get some? I'm too tired to deal with their other assertions which are almost as idiotic and tautologically self-defeating. I'm sure there's some good porn I'm missing out on, and I need to work on my crypto portfolio, slap some re-growth serum on my balding scalp, water my plants, blow my nose, take my vitamins... well, you get the idea. Some things in life are a big, fat, massive NO. This guy's comment is one of them.
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Post by Ingram on Jun 20, 2024 7:03:54 GMT
I don't even mind right wing clickbait media (especially Alex Jones), but Matt Walsh is like Ben Shapiro for even bigger douchebags. What a militant normie prick. His staunch transphobia is hard to stomach for anyone with an ounce of decency or compassion within them. It also marks him out as a bigoted loser on the wrong side of the argument.
You give credence to the wrong factor, as "transphobia", whatever its definitional weight, is immaterial here. The problem with Walsh is simpler, more immediate and twofold:
1. He's an idiot. I don't mean this as a general insult but as literal taxonomy. In every faucet of society and culture the guy is as unimaginative as his IQ is low. Observe him and Joe Rogan debate gay marriage. Both make terrible arguments but at least Rogan can coast on his relatively innocent 'dude-bro' affability. Walsh fashions himself as one contending alt lifestyles being exploited rhetorically as pawns in service of larger, centralized social engineering, only to take any such argument to the weeds as far and fast as any blue-haired nutjob championing assless chaps and drag queens in schools, stumbling over his theological hangups to the point of Verhoevenian caricature, and at the expense of critical thinking, specific merits of tradition, Constitutional philosophies etc.
2. He's fucking boring. The guy has all the personality of a potato (unbaked). Ever been charmed or even disarmed by a potato? Yeah, me neither. Walsh is without wit, timing, language prowess or, hell, any manner of facial expressiveness beyond the non-autonomous. He's not even dryly irreverent; just dry, period. He's not even curiously introverted like, say, Lucas himself; he's just a composite of cork and particle board, to his core. Unsurprisingly, he's not the type to gleam anything romantic or quixotic from Lucas' complete Saga... like most grifters.
How sad do you have to be to make that kind of association ("...during the first Reagan administration")? He's surely being a tad glib, but really, I think it still needs to be said: correlation does not equal causation.
I don't think he's being glib. I think he thinks he's being edgelord. Ask him to explain why The Empire Strikes Back was decent and I wager you'd get nothing but the usual suspects of utterly non-characteristic appraisals vague and malleable to any mere mission statement as to what equates a conventionally good movie. Shit we've heard before ad nauseam and independent of the notion that an artwork might be, first and last, the unique fruit of an auteur's intent.
Sorry for the rant. As a (sorta, relative, if only by default not liberal) conservative, Matt Walsh really pisses me off. He's worse than Crowder, and that's saying something. I'll take RLM's insights on Star Wars over his.
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Post by Alexrd on Jun 20, 2024 10:17:42 GMT
I have nothing against Matt Walsh, but are people really surprised about these nu-sociopolitical commentators having the most normie takes imaginable in regards to art? It's like actors talking about politics, they are generally like fish out of water. Boring, embarassing to watch, not worth the time.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 20, 2024 15:31:41 GMT
His staunch transphobia is hard to stomach for anyone with an ounce of decency or compassion within them. It also marks him out as a bigoted loser on the wrong side of the argument. You give credence to the wrong factor, as "transphobia", whatever its definitional weight, is immaterial here. Not really. Stampid wrote that Walsh is a "militant normie prick", and if Walsh is militant on anything, it's bashing the LGBT movement and endlessly sowing fear and discord against those with non-cis identities. He has practically made mocking them and preaching against any form of transgenderism his personal brand. Now, as you probably know by now, I have a few bones to pick with those on the political left, and I can see how a term like "transphobia" isn't always as valid as the other side makes it, but that doesn't mean there isn't true phobia -- i.e., bigotry/ignorance -- out there against those with different gender identities and sexual orientations. I mean, when a comfortable white guy like Matt Walsh, enjoying his constitutionally-protected freedoms because he lucked out by being in the United States of America, casually defends fucking Uganda, of all places, outright imprisoning homosexuals (and for life), I'm happy to stick, at a minimum, to saying the guy is phobic and an outright bigot. Such positions to me are not merely regressive, but outright immoral and evil. This is a typically eloquent takedown, nicely expanding on what stampid wrote before. Matt Walsh's argument with Joe Rogan was super-cringe, and it comes to something when the dude-bro mentality of Rogan is able to run rings around the denatured pastiche of soggy, empty rhetoric lamely advanced by the likes of Walsh. And no, generally speaking, bigots don't have much imagination (except all the Freudian energies they're trying to suppress). It's no surprise whatsoever that Walsh is unable to "gleam anything romantic or quixotic from Lucas' complete Saga" when Walsh himself is so lacking in any appreciation for texture or nuance in the sociopolitical sphere, and is clearly very historically ignorant, too. Those with beams in their eye are far too sight-impaired to even begin to see what they're not seeing. Glib or edgelord, it really doesn't matter -- fact is, as you just (eloquently) said, he's unlikely to offer any unique insight or reasoning to back up his lazy Twitter-based dismissals (which, yes, seem more like fishbait to draw attention and potentially start random tangents that can be monetised). A key difference is that the (classic) RLM material is relatively apolitical. Unless things have changed recently, the RLM people haven't gone out of their way to malign Disney for wokeness, nor do they use their material to shove in backdoor ideological agendas. At root, they're just a bunch of nerdy movie guys having fun. They have a more innocent 1990s/Early Noughties vibe about them: more MST3K than Rush Limbaugh. The territory is different now. The culture wars has turned things ugly. A lot of modern conservatives are pretty awful -- although, when I say that, I'm thinking of a lot of Internet-based ones, and all the damage done by Trump's former presidency, which hasn't really helped matters (but, perhaps, in some ways, has caused necessary damage). A more respectable conservative operating in a largely online space would be Jordan Peterson. He's at least worth listening to sometimes and generally puts his opinions across thoughtfully and respectfully. All in all, I identify as more of a liberal (especially in both my general antipathy toward religion and my support of LGBT rights), but I also dislike the tyrannical behaviour from some elements of the left; some of which I have been on the receiving end of, as a damn ally -- or, at least, I thought I was an ally. Ergo, I don't really have a "tribe" anymore, and I wax and wane somewhere between the poles of conservative and liberal. Hell, I'm ready to give someone like Andrew Tate a fair shake (although, in some regards, he's just as bigoted as Matt Walsh). Yet it's when I see people like Matt Walsh pouring scorn on trans people, and trans-affirming practices, over and over again, that I'm reminded I'm more of a liberal at heart, despite my ongoing disappointment and (sometimes) disgust with the left. In fact, for all my dislike of Walsh, I feel inclined to at least defend him over his right to free speech. In any case, whatever you consider yourself to be, your takes are always enjoyable to read, Ingram. That's about as soppy as I'm going to get!
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 20, 2024 18:27:28 GMT
On the other hand, Matt Walsh saved me from watching Episode 4 of the Acko Lite, by posting the clip wherein one of the characters corrects their own pronoun usage... *sigh* it wasn't that interesting anyway.
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Post by tonyg on Jun 20, 2024 18:41:05 GMT
Matt Walsh is frankly an unbearable culture war pundit who seems angry all the time- why listen to him? I have no idea who this person is and let's say it in a haughty way: should I know him and why is he so important?! But my thesis is simpler: being narrow-minded can be achieved in different ways, including being a liberal (this is not some sort of vaccine to be opened to larger view as many people think today). Or conservative or centrist for that mstter. Anyway, the problem with narrow-mindness here is simple: why saying that SW was not good since the Reagan era? Why not since the 80ties or something? This is not even original because if the author thinks that the Reagan era is like Jurassic period for the cinema... well, guess what, is not, cinema is older. The irony is that Lucas made a series that was in the same time popular but like against the mainstream: the infamous "PT has too much CGI" is a typical example of the problem (and moreover, it is not true).
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 20, 2024 19:59:13 GMT
On the other hand, Matt Walsh saved me from watching Episode 4 of the Acko Lite, by posting the clip wherein one of the characters corrects their own pronoun usage... *sigh* it wasn't that interesting anyway. To be fair, Anakin corrects Obi-Wan's pronoun usage in AOTC: "I think he's a she. And I think she's a changeling."
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Post by jppiper on Jun 20, 2024 20:59:01 GMT
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