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Post by jppiper on Feb 12, 2022 6:04:59 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Mar 8, 2022 4:00:00 GMT
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Post by emperorferus on Mar 8, 2022 5:29:39 GMT
Regarding the Han shot first change, I never thought it mattered. Sure, it doesn't make logical sense for Greedo to miss two feet away, but him shooting first does nothing to affect Han's character arc. He was never a cold blooded killer, but he was clearly planning to shoot Greedo even before Greedo shot him in the SE. He was already readying his blaster and the two shots are too close together for Han's to just be in reaction to Greedo's.
Even if Greedo hadn't fired at all, Han had no reason to think Greedo would let him live. So there's nothing cold blooded about his shot- but in both versions, Han was planning to shoot Greedo whether Greedo fired or not.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Mar 9, 2022 2:30:02 GMT
I never knew that Han Shooting First was a controversy until I read it online
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Post by smittysgelato on Mar 9, 2022 5:49:15 GMT
I never knew that Han Shooting First was a controversy until I read it online The internet has a way of encouraging hive mind. |
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Post by Gen on May 4, 2022 2:36:10 GMT
soundcloud.com/blast-points/episode-308-the-special-luke-scream-mysteryHad a hunch about this but now confirmed: Matthew Wood says the "Luke Scream" (which was actually Palpatine's from ROTJ) in TESB '97 was a Ben Burtt addition that George did not remember approving come the 2004 DVD, which was a much more thorough remastering. About 20 minutes in. I always thought that one stood out. There's also some brief talk about how some of the "dialogue changes" across the versions could be nothing more than which audio mix was selected for the film at the time.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 4, 2022 18:08:12 GMT
I think it's mostly because at this point it's a lost cause, and fans make their own versions now anyway, that often retain the SE improvements (removal of matte lines, lightsaber colors, etc).
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Post by jppiper on May 9, 2022 1:42:38 GMT
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Post by eljedicolombiano on May 9, 2022 19:44:58 GMT
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 9, 2022 21:59:40 GMT
Just finished it. Exhausting, but a real accomplishment. Of course the "my version would keep the good changes" comments are already pouring in. Lol |
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Post by Gen on May 11, 2022 21:20:33 GMT
Somehow the Special Editions make the movies even more timeless. "Dated" 90s cgi meets "dated" 70s-80s practical effects. A mixed media collage, no? Ditto PT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 12, 2022 4:45:33 GMT
Somehow the Special Editions make the movies even more timeless. "Dated" 90s cgi meets "dated" 70s-80s practical effects. A mixed media collage, no? Ditto PT Nice term -- and yes: Mixed media collages have always been Lucas' bag. |
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Post by Alexrd on May 12, 2022 9:33:41 GMT
Is any of the SE effects really dated? I guess the original CGI Jabba would be, but that was replaced before people could see that in glorious 480p. Everything else holds up perfectly fine.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 12, 2022 12:46:14 GMT
Most of the CG in episodes 4 and 6, to my eyes at least, has a stop-motion kind of quality, and if you don't overanalyze, stop motiony CGI creatures look just fine in these old movies. It's the godawful dewback and sy snootles puppets from the old cuts that look like garbage and take me out of the moment at this point.
If you want to capture your childhood, get the 1995 VHS set, a VCR, and a tube TV. Harmy's despecialized and other fan edits are just gonna leave you unsatisfied and confused.
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 12, 2022 14:51:07 GMT
Yeah, I prefer watching SW on old tube TVs. It just seems right... to my 80s/90s brain. I can't do all this HD and bluray stuff, it's too glossy and pristine for me. I need something more rrreal.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 12, 2022 18:58:43 GMT
When it comes to visual effects, people are SUPER picky. I rewatched Avatar recently and thought it looked far better than many movies that have come out recently, but around the interwebs, I have noticed people complaining about how dated it looks.
Like REALLY!?
Bullshit!
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Post by Pyrogenic on May 12, 2022 22:15:29 GMT
The scenes featuring the gargantuan swarm of sentinels demolishing Zion in The Matrix Revolutions are still generally considered to be pretty insane after almost 20 years, but there are still a lot of complaints about “rubber Neo” wailing on all those Smiths with that pole in The Matrix Reloaded from earlier that same year…I tend to love CGI aesthetics. Silly how many avid geeks don’t mind it in their video games or anime but when anything is slightly “unrealistic,” even on purpose, when it appears in a movie, it makes them completely lose their marbles.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 12, 2022 23:38:14 GMT
The scenes featuring the gargantuan swarm of sentinels demolishing Zion in The Matrix Revolutions are still generally considered to be pretty insane after almost 20 years, but there are still a lot of complaints about “rubber Neo” wailing on all those Smiths with that pole in The Matrix Reloaded from earlier that same year…I tend to love CGI aesthetics. Silly how many avid geeks don’t mind it in their video games or anime but when anything is slightly “unrealistic,” even on purpose, when it appears in a movie, it makes them completely lose their marbles. Well, video games do look pretty impressive, these days. Try "Red Dead Redemption 2" with ray tracing or "Cyberpunk 2077". A good special/visual effect will always be a good special/visual effect. |
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Post by Gen on May 13, 2022 23:35:02 GMT
There is this kind of hypocritical infantilism surrounding bold CGI usage. The fan critics are basically saying: This thing that couldn't possibly come from our world has to look or move like it comes from our world. Huh?? Who decided Star Wars was supposed to be gritty and grounded? It's not a historical documentary. Has it never occurred to anyone that exaggerated CGI was done intentionally for maximum impact? People embrace visual exaggeration in video games, paintings, animation... Most practical action sequences in movies are logically impossible anyway. 1:21 timestamp. Why do you think ILM animated the jetpack like that?  Look at this piece by Frank Frazetta. Logically, the horns on the demon would prevent its swing from ever connecting, but FF decided it was more powerful to be painted as it is. He knew his shit, but he broke the rules. Paraphrased from: illustrationart.blogspot.com/2015/08/frazettas-unrealistic-realism.htmlNot a perfect parallel, but my point is Lucas and Frazetta are more concerned with VISUAL CLARITY, a CLEAN FRAME, IMPACT, DYNAMISM, SILHOUETTES, and in Lucas' case, EDITING RHYTHMS, than they are LOGICAL REALITY. Good art direction is more important than technical perfection, the latter can be worth working toward but not at the expense of the former. Lucas Wars had hella art direction. They also excelled technically but that's not my point. Truth be told I DO think a lot of cgi usage in mainstream movies is crap. But I don't blame the medium, I blame stale ideas. We need a renaissance of 90s-2000s-styled movie CGI like how 90s-2000s-styled 3d video games have come back into vogue. I like live-action cartoons. |
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Post by Gen on May 13, 2022 23:44:39 GMT
Lovely painterly CGI:   |
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