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Post by Subtext Mining on Nov 19, 2021 12:07:53 GMT
Here's a sneak peak scene from the upcoming Kenobi show.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Nov 19, 2021 13:19:07 GMT
Cryogenic Of course, it's not life and death, relax dude. Any serious discussion of SW is still a discussion of a fiction.
I was going on the tone of the webpage in the TROS thread I landed in. If you think I've been secretly reading every post there, you're assuming wrong. There's a lot of threads I haven't been following this year, as should be more than obvious, and I've joked that this one I have been paying attention to.
I've no discussion history with Jendy, I didn't honestly know where he was going with that kind of blunt remark. Perhaps you're familiar with his style, good for you, I'm learning now.
If you're upset about my recent contribution to the TROS thread, then why did you like the post? That sure is a contradiction. Regardless, I'm happy to delete the post (other offending posts can join in) if you feel strongly on it being unconstructive.
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 19, 2021 16:40:05 GMT
Cryogenic Of course, it's not life and death, relax dude. Any serious discussion of SW is still a discussion of a fiction. Right. So there's no need to police people over a bit of mild sarcasm. Plus, Star Wars is a very funny set of movies -- lots of quirky humour and the like. I understand the appeal of treating the films seriously, because there's a lot going on and they deserve a robust examination. But a strong thread is one in which discussion encompasses a wide range of tones and sensibilities (like the films themselves). And a bit of lightheartedness is the spoonful of sugar that helps the medicine go down. That's what I mean. You just casually rolled into the thread and made some random, flippant comment at the film's expense, disregarding all else that was being said in the process. That was a perfectly acceptable action in your eyes. Yet days later, you're berating another member because they're quipping over something else, which you happen to enjoy or are looking forward to, and which you apparently want only serious discussion over. I'm saying you can't have it both ways.
Huh? No, I'm not. But read their response back again and it's pretty obvious they weren't seriously maligning the prequels.
You needn't delete the post. I already riffed on it, anyway.
I liked the post because I was acknowledging your feelings about TROS, and I guess I was symbolically saying, "It's good to see you again, Arch Duke." However, since it has again resulted in you becoming confused, I guess I can be more picky about which posts I choose to like from now on.
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Post by Anthony on Nov 21, 2021 12:26:48 GMT
Honestly I think the series will be good, but I'm already frustrated by the all the imperial and rebel esthetics in the concept art. I don't dislike it but it's everywhere. We really need prequel-era films and series.
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Post by smittysgelato on Nov 27, 2021 20:00:45 GMT
One thing I hope that results from this series is a making-of documentary featuring PLENTY of Ewan and Hayden BROMANCE.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Feb 20, 2022 3:01:32 GMT
Courtesy of Anthony from Naboo News. He really is churning out the news these days.
Lovely comments from McGregor, I must say, although I suspect some of our members may want to interrogate them, setting them within the larger context of his relationship with the Prequels. I believe as recent as in 2020, during test footage for the new series, he spoke to an outlet (Entertainment Weekly) where he was still moaning about "all green-screen" during the PT. It makes me wonder if he changes his tune back and forth a bit.
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 20, 2022 23:46:39 GMT
Courtesy of Anthony from Naboo News. He really is churning out the news these days. Lovely comments from McGregor, I must say, although I suspect some of our members may want to interrogate them, setting them within the larger context of his relationship with the Prequels. I believe as recent as in 2020, during test footage for the new series, he spoke to an outlet (Entertainment Weekly) where he was still moaning about "all green-screen" during the PT. It makes me wonder if he changes his tune back and forth a bit.
My opinion? You probably won't like it, but: He's being a patronising douchebag again. No, Ewan -- piss off. I've had it up to here with the insulting platitude "the prequels were made for children". It's passive-aggressive bullshit (and not the first time he's said it). I mean, look, I get what he's saying. Star Wars is basically a franchise for kids and young adults. But older people can and do enjoy the films and even become fans beyond the primary target age. There's never a word about that. Notice, also, that he never talks about the political allegory of the prequels, how they tell a tragedy, or how they link with the original three as one complete twelve-hour story experience. He's still dishing backhanded compliments the same as he always has.
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Post by jppiper on Feb 21, 2022 0:25:25 GMT
Cryogenicand he should have said original films of the 70s-80s.
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 21, 2022 13:41:19 GMT
Cryogenic and he should have said original films of the 70s-80s. True. I suppose he's linking the OT movies to the original film, which is also the decade he was born in. He's excluding a lot of people with his comments, though -- including OT fanboys who often stated that his portrayal of Obi-Wan was one of the highlights of the PT.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Feb 21, 2022 23:45:28 GMT
jppiper Ah, you're being a bit hard there. He's in the ballpark, and I wouldn't fault anyone for saying the labelling prequels as 2000s.
I would fault him here. The hardcore lot who grew up with the PT (ie starting with TPM) are older: late 20s to early 30s. I'd let him off if he just said twenties, but late teens makes no sense, unless he's referring to the TCW generation. If you take someone who started the ST at 5 years, they're going on 12 now and soon will be a teenager.
Always, you say? Is that how you really felt on the set of ROTS in Australia? I can believe its a thought that came into your head when Disney first approached you about coming back for a film.
Sidenote: it's such McGregor thing to say
That's what we like to hear. He put it more eloquently in another interview somewhere (maybe that same piece from 2020 or 21 I was referring to)
Cryogenic Doesn't your argument here undercut some of the things you - in fact, all of us, really - put against the OT fanboys/PT bashers, in how George wanted to focus on a new generation with the prequels, that he wasn't going to cave to the specific wants of older fans? We can hardly have it both ways, can we? I'm a PT fan who doesn't like any of the ST, and I believe that the filmmakers fixation with the very oldest fans of the OT generation for TFA crippled the trilogy from the very beginning. If Abrams had thought about younger viewers like Lucas did, things may not have ended up so unbalanced.
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 22, 2022 2:58:48 GMT
jppiper Ah, you're being a bit hard there. He's in the ballpark, and I wouldn't fault anyone for saying the labelling prequels as 2000s. 2000s is more accurate in the case of the prequels, since two of them came out in the 2000s, and the other was released at the lip of the new millennium, in 1999. And "The Clone Wars" were kind of a sequel/commentary (the biggest canonical production sanctioned by GL outside of the films) that followed three years after ROTS (ceremonially taking the place of another film or trilogy and indirectly fleshing out existing ones). Saying the original films were of the 1970s, on the other hand, is a sly (perhaps unconscious) rhetorical trick that implicitly links those ones with an historically well-regarded filmmaking decade, in which many dark and complicated movies emerged -- as if Star Wars, or the Original Trilogy, shares some of their grit by chronologic association; vis-a-vis the prequels, which emerged in a decade of digital experimentation and the rise of mega franchises. Via this frisson, it is being hinted that the OT movies are raw and pure examples of vital filmmaking from a time when filmmakers really cared, while the prequels are backhandedly suggested to be ambitious but troubled cash-ins; or compromised franchise-builders. But hey, kids liked 'em! If you think I'm reading too much into that, so be it. However, I'd just like to point out that Ewan has bemoaned the modern era of the big blockbuster before, stating that big fantasy films loaded with effects and spectacle aren't really to his taste and don't challenge him as an actor; and so, outside of Star Wars, he has generally avoided them. Thus, when he refers to "the original films of the '70s", he is indirectly saying: "Before cinema went bad" (and the corollary: forced him to be more discerning). Now, a lot of us may have some kind of misgivings over the modern era of studio-dominated tentpole movies (including filmmakers like George Lucas and Steven Spielberg who are at least partly responsible for bringing this era about), so we may even sympathise with Ewan's viewpoint. The problem is, from his wording, he seems to think the prequels were a bit of a misfire and were caught up in the sins of this new era; unlike the original films, safely confined to a "better" time (and which, yes, he is implicitly nostalgic for). But he never comes out and says it directly. He instead hides behind the shibboleth of "greenscreen" and goes around saying, like a mantra, "they were for children". Yep, his arithmetic is off. Does he not realise how long ago ROTS came out? The film celebrates its 17th anniversary this year. In order to still be classed as a teenager now, a contemporary viewer of ROTS when it came out, back then, would have to have been no older than two years-of-age. If he's referring to the TCW generation, you're right that his comment makes more sense. Indeed, he might be thinking of the modern Internet/streaming generation; in which case, exposure to the prequels could be brought forward 5-10 years, allowing his comment to be valid. Even here, however, it's like he wants to set the age bar really low; to exaggerate the notion that the prequels were intended primarily for little ones.
Good catch. People tend to revise and simplify their earlier feelings to come across as more consistent.
Well, Lucas has repeatedly said that all the films were made for children, yes. But notice that Ewan doesn't specifically say the original films were. He makes a point of emphasising it only in the case of the prequels. Indeed, Lucas made several clarifications in the prequel era about the target demographic only because people with Ewan's mindset (i.e., fans wedded to the originals) seemed to discount or deny all the childish (or child-like) elements in the earlier films. The sticking point was Jar Jar. Back then, and still to this day, people went around protesting that nothing in the OT, or the sainted ANH and TESB, was as extreme as Jar Jar; who, in their estimation, was the first time (at least: outside of the Ewoks in the "lesser" ROTJ) that Lucas directly pandered to small children. Lucas' own personal life was sometimes invoked (Lucas became a father between trilogies; starting during preproduction of ROTJ), and people frequently pointed to the merchandising juggernaut Star Wars had become, in order to buttress their argument that Jar Jar was only there to please little ones and move toys -- Jar Jar's story purpose, to these people, was null and void, because it was "obvious" that Lucas "no longer cared" (about making a good film or crafting a good story). Lurking in the soft loam of Ewan's remarks is the same concealed critique -- or at least a soggy version of it. I'm not sure he seriously thinks that Lucas was only trying to shift merchandise with the prequels or build up the Lucasfilm empire, but he certainly doesn't stick his neck out in any discernible way and has never gone to bat for Lucas' choices in the prequels. Maybe, just a tad, when the films came out; but after? The annoying and regrettable implication is that Lucas made many questionable or poorly-calibrated decisions. Contrast Ewan's rather icy regard with Ian McDiarmid's glowing approval of, for example, the political subtext of the prequels, and the difference could hardly be more glaring. If Ewan said, "The prequels were made with good intentions, but they aren't my thing", that would be more honest. Instead, he tends to skate around his real feelings, deploying evasive platitudes that have become extremely old and tired. Weak-tea approval, let alone tactical gaslighting, have never been my thing; especially from the lips of a sometimes-abrasive and overpaid actor that keeps being handed the media bullhorn.
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Post by jppiper on Mar 9, 2022 19:52:39 GMT
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Post by Ingram on Mar 9, 2022 20:19:24 GMT
It looks very very very very very two things:
1. 2022 2. usual
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Post by smittysgelato on Mar 9, 2022 20:25:40 GMT
The Inquisitors looks silly hahahaha.
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Post by smittysgelato on Mar 9, 2022 20:33:16 GMT
I do love that Eeopies make a return tho.
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Post by thephantomcalamari on Mar 9, 2022 20:54:50 GMT
I know I'm biased but like....this doesn't look very interesting e: I mean it really is very much, "Yeah okay I guess that's what this would be"
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Post by Cryogenic on Mar 10, 2022 15:34:52 GMT
It looks very very very very very two things: 1. 2022 2. usual I know I'm biased but like....this doesn't look very interesting e: I mean it really is very much, "Yeah okay I guess that's what this would be" I can see that 'n' all... I mean, those washed out digital colour palettes, the blare-y "Based on John Williams" choral/percussive trailer music, and all the standard trailer beats, and yet... This thing gave me a buzz. First off, that voiceover is frikkin' awesome! Great lines. Second, it looks like this series may yield some interesting visuals, and -- for better or worse -- the line is clearly blurred between TV and cinema now (how reminiscent of "Rogue One" and especially "Solo" was this preview?). Third, while that Inquisitor fellow looks a bit "Robocop without his helmet"-esque, he seems to have a menacing presence. I haven't really touched base with "The Clone Wars" or "Rebels" like some people have, but the idea of remaining Jedi being carefully sniffed out and hunted down is pretty neat, and I think it'll be cool to see a live-action version of this stretch of post-prequel lore pivoting around Ewan's Obi-Wan. Fourth. One other thing I'd just like to add, as far as this trailer goes, is how much I appreciate them using that little snatch of music at the end, from when Obi-Wan tells Padme about Anakin having turned to the Dark Side, and then it cuts to Anakin watching the lava flows on Mustafar after his murder of the Separatists. A very underrated piece of music is that. It's a cool little Easter Egg that helps round out the more obvious musical deployment of "Duel Of The Fates" (and also "Battle Of The Heroes") that they went with here. Fifth, well... That's all I got. I've never been big on spinoff material, so I'm fairly easy about this series either way. That said, when it comes out, I think I'm going to try and see this one; if only to say I have. Okay, I actually do have one more thing to add. On the official Disney channel, these are the stats: Views: 7,312,215 Comments: 25,525In less than 24 hours. There's clearly some big anticipation for this thing. Nice to see. "But nobody wants to see anything related to those awful prequels."
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Post by smittysgelato on Mar 10, 2022 20:33:55 GMT
Some details I like:
Obi-Wan in ROTS: "I will take the child and watch over him."
Cut to the Obi-Wan trailer: Obi-Wan, LITERALLY watching over Luke.
Also,
"The fight is done. We lost."
OUCH. I felt that, as both a Prequel and Clone Wars fan.
Edit: And what looks like Obi-Wan wielding a blaster. The poor man must feel...SO UNCIVILIZED. xD
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Post by Cryogenic on Mar 11, 2022 0:15:11 GMT
Some details I like: Obi-Wan in ROTS: "I will take the child and watch over him." Cut to the Obi-Wan trailer: Obi-Wan, LITERALLY watching over Luke. Also, "The fight is done. We lost." OUCH. I felt that, as both a Prequel and Clone Wars fan. Edit: And what looks like Obi-Wan wielding a blaster. The poor man must feel...SO UNCIVILIZED. xD And also the LUCASFILM logo being in GOLD. Gold, motherfuckers.
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Post by Ingram on Mar 11, 2022 6:03:04 GMT
And also the LUCASFILM logo being in GOLD. ...and then blows away like sand. Because the Jedi are, like, dust in the wind and stuff. Woah.Sorry. I'm being an asshole. But I'm struggling with this one. In the trailer alone I can detect well-enough the deployment of camerawork, swooping action and overall visual impression simpatico with everything else that currently is; generally up to speed with the ST but more so with every last bit of content produced for Disney+, Paramount+, Amazon Prime, HBO Max, Hulu... While I am admittedly intrigued with such imagery as Obi-Wan taking a bus to the flea market, what was with that 2nd-to-last shot of birds flying about as a dramatic crescendo? As if someone opened the rooftop pigeon cages. Kind of a weird choice, but, okay. We also got our prerequisite de-feminized black chick with shaved sides. I kinda dig how she ignites her saber while rolling over a school lunch cafeteria table: "You hazard my fish sticks?! Tis death, then!" (note: said actresses' name is Moses Ingram). I'm still being an asshole, aren't I. I didn't realize they brought back both Joel Edgerton AND Bonnie Piesse to reprise their roles. That's pretty neat. I bet those two never would have imagined such a returning gig. Probably the thing I'm most looking forward to is John Williams' new, original theme written for the titular character. That and the eventual Auralnauts parody.
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