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Post by Somny on Oct 12, 2022 22:26:20 GMT
There were so many delectable moments, both subtle and broad, and a surefire editorial approach that conjures comparison to the work of Lucas and his editors on the mainline SW films. Although I loathe the contemporary, shooting-from-the-hip cinematographic ethos in much of Disney SW (and in most cinema these days, to be honest), here it's refreshingly countered by a stellar combination of propulsive abandon and cool restraint in the cutting. And all in full support of the absolutely deft and thoughtful writing which I'm convinced is the fulcrum behind this series' excellence.
...polished and professional but also unassumingly journeyman.
Appropriate tempering of my sentiment. And I agree. I suppose I'm simply starved for any SW film or TV series with a sense of concentrated, well-wrought strategy and design that harkens back to the Lucasian approach we all know, love and miss. I want to believe we can see its like return (or something comparable). Maybe the desire is so strong, I'm seeing it in my soup.
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 13, 2022 1:11:14 GMT
Hmm... I dunno... This episode was a bit, ah... underwhelming?
I hope this isn't a case of history repeating itself (maybe I'm getting Covid again). I became disenchanted with "Obi-Wan" half-way through its run, and I really don't want that happening with "Andor", but it might be. Solid craftmanship, but something oppressively mundane about the whole thing might now be taking hold.
Episode highlights:
- The drab concrete Imperial base aesthetic. You push that drab concrete Imperial base aesthetic to the max. More. Until it hurts, daddy!
- I think I heard someone saying "Move!" in this episode. I think.
- Oh, noes. They fridged the black rebels. Diversity!
- So that monorail train thing is a rocket ship? Okay.
- The meteor shower sure was subtle.
- Planetary locals localing in locally local ways. That's two sets of "primitives" this show has now depicted in its first six episodes; not all that convincingly.
And a few more focused thoughts concerning the big base-storming climax and the epilogue:
- Lots of shaky cam and rather agitated editing in this stretch. Not sure it quite connected for me.
- The conveyance of the action had a rather anonymous character to it; like a drowsier version of a set-piece from "Quantum Of Solace".
- It wasn't some extended espionage/sneaking thing (like a Mission Impossible-esque scenario). Once the rebels were inside, they quickly drew their weapons and started shouting their heads off and bossing everyone around. Kinda boring.
- It's a small thing, but a particular detail that really stuck out was those Imperials running down that stairwell to get to the vault. The stairs were actually shaking. Didn't have a sci-fi, found future feel to it at all. The Empire apparently likes concrete dams lined with rickety stairs. Incredible worldbuilding.
- Weren't the gawking faces of those Aldhani people as they watched the meteor shower absolutely awe-inspiring? I know I had chills. But that might be because I live in the UK and my heating was off. Bland white person followed by bland diversity person followed by bland white person, all with the same monotone gaze, doesn't really do it for me.
- Did I mention I think I heard someone shouting "Move!"? Phenomenal scriptwriting in this episode. And let's not forget: "Cover me!!!" Or the guy running out into the open and getting gunned down at the last second as his mate fails to completely cover him. Totally didn't see that one coming.
- I kinda had to LOL at just how fast the train flies out of the station when Cassian hits the gas. And then everyone inside reacting like they'd just gone 100 mph in two seconds, when it seemed more like they achieved Saturn V rocket speeds. Pretty sure they'd all be a tangled mess of bones in the corner somewhere.
- Cool lightshow when Cassian was flying through the clouds being pursued by those TIEs, but unfortunately, this is Star Wars: it's all been seen before. Mash up the escape from Cloud City with the big aerial battle on Exegol, season with a light sprinkling of "Solo" and its Kessel Run sequence, and you have this same sequence done better elsewhere.
- So Vel didn't hear that laser blast outside (when Cassian shoots Skeen)?
- The butcher-flap door was very distracting, as was that weird four-armed alien doctor. The former, at odds with the general Star Wars "look" (like a few things in this show, which are now starting to become irritating); the latter, tonally jarring with regard to the seriousness of "Andor" and the urgency of this episode's final events.
- Pretty obvious the kid was gonna die. Like. From. His. Very. First. Scene. Of course, this is going to shake Cassian, harden his resolve, yadda yadda. All the usual cliches are appearing behind the fresh paint that is slowly peeling off the walls now.
Also:
- The music in this episode flat-out sucked. Totally generic. Nothing exciting, interesting, uplifting, gut-wrenching -- let alone anything remotely Star Wars -- about it. The whole series just took a massive dump on itself here.
Closing comments:
So, yeah, I don't know where I stand with this whole "Star Wars as television" deal right now. I'm starting to revert to my earlier position and beginning to feel it's a mistake: contrived, silly, a big fat waste of time. Star Wars is big screen sci-fi fantasy: mythic adventure. "Andor" is like dry toast. Perhaps it's time for Cryo to come back down to Earth, then stick his head through the clouds and remember that Star Wars was once visionary, entertaining, epic in scope, colourful, and truly like something that had been beamed to this planet from another world -- A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. . . .
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Oct 13, 2022 1:54:40 GMT
Been holding off since the first episode. Nothing to add as a result, but it's fun watching other people follow it. As I always say: Just remember, it ain't over til it's over.
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 13, 2022 4:13:38 GMT
"May you live long enough for the Eye to see the good in you." (or something to that effect)
The eye is certainly looking at Anakin Skywalker.
Flying through the Eye...a time limit that allows you to dance on the edge of time and eternity. Eternity is in love with the productions of time and all that.
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 13, 2022 4:22:17 GMT
"May you live long enough for the Eye to see the good in you." (or something to that effect) The eye is certainly looking at Anakin Skywalker. Flying through the Eye...a time limit that allows you to dance on the edge of time and eternity. Eternity is in love with the productions of time and all that. I'll grant you that, in some ways, there was a real poetry to the episode; as there has been to all of them. Damn, "Andor" -- WTF are you?
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 13, 2022 4:34:30 GMT
One detail I like is the fact that everyone is just going about their humdrum everyday business when the big news rolls in at the end. ALSO, the Imperial base reminds me of Hadrian's Wall. In addition to the British and the Nazis, here they are drawing inspiration from yet another historical Empire. Or at least it would seem so.
It was weird that there are no stormtroopers at the base though.
Padme's eye beat THE EYE to Anakin though...God I love that woman.
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Post by Ingram on Oct 13, 2022 11:57:30 GMT
LOL I was wondering when Cryo would go strange case of Mr. Hyde on us. Episode highlights: - The drab concrete Imperial base aesthetic. You push that drab concrete Imperial base aesthetic to the max. More. Until it hurts, daddy! Did you think it was gonna be a disco on the inside? An Indian casino? Santa's workshop? - I think I heard someone saying "Move!" in this episode. I think. Almost as many times as someone shouted "Rey!" in the ST. Almost.
- Oh, noes. They fridged the black rebels. Diversity! Well, in fairness, they fridged the only two white guy rebels as well, and not before turning one into a traitor. The (lesbian girlfriend) Indian broad survived. That, and our titular hero is a Mexican. Anywho, this criticism could just as easily be flipped: thinking about it now, I find it a touch refreshing that they disposed of our protagonists racially out-of-sync with the current fashion where the survivors would have otherwise been tokenly diverse.
- So that monorail train thing is a rocket ship? Okay. Well, yeah. That was exposited in the setup. I'd say it makes just enough in-universe sense, given that your Imperial money transport would be better secured underground with a limited exit route that could feasibly be cut off prematurely in case of emergencies. - The meteor shower sure was subtle. Well, if it wasn't then it wouldn't have made for much of a getaway cover. Did you want it to be subtle? Perhaps a triennial, celestial-inclined slow passing mass-migration of phosphorescent butterflies could have been subtler. I think a TIE would just fly right through butterflies, though, no problem. Maybe flying dolphins, then...? You gotta offer up some alternative examples on this one, Cryo.
Woulda been funny if the whole event was in fact a simple shared hallucinogenic head-trip induced by native ritual drug use—Imperials and Rebels alike just standing there at a distance in separate yet equal levels of disappointment. Talk about having to improvise your heist getaway... - Planetary locals localing in locally local ways. That's two sets of "primitives" this show has now depicted in its first six episodes; not all that convincingly. - Weren't the gawking faces of those Aldhani people as they watched the meteor shower absolutely awe-inspiring? I know I had chills. But that might be because I live in the UK and my heating was off. Bland white person followed by bland diversity person followed by bland white person, all with the same monotone gaze, doesn't really do it for me. Truer to Star Wars had they been depicted as an exotic alien race i.e., Gungans, Geonosians, Ewoks. But that shit costs money. Just be thankful they weren't all, say, Inuit, as such would have only emphasized their two-dimensional disposability. Maybe Aldhani never had an indigenous human race but was colonized by varying human race pilgrims from across the galaxy who all long ago converged into a single Eye-worshiping culture. I'm just thankful we weren't subject to a hillside orgy (but not really). - Lots of shaky cam and rather agitated editing in this stretch. Not sure it quite connected for me. - The conveyance of the action had a rather anonymous character to it; like a drowsier version of a set-piece from "Quantum Of Solace". Man, look... ANY laser battle following that stormtrooper siege on the Path facility in episode 5 of Obi-Wan Kenobi is practically a fucking Kurosawa set-piece as far as I'm concerned. It was directional, at least; the high-ground/low-ground geography, the railship interior to the loading platform just outside, all of it making enough sense to me visually. That we weren't treated to ornately framed panels of action tableau fluidly edited together à la George Walton was not exactly a point of dismay for yours truly. That dream died long ago. To reiterate my previous post, I found the execution in this regard, at worst, workmanlike with conventional standards. - It wasn't some extended espionage/sneaking thing (like a Mission Impossible-esque scenario). Once the rebels were inside, they quickly drew their weapons and started shouting their heads off and bossing everyone around. Kinda boring. Okay. But, I mean, we've only got some 50 minutes of runtime (including post-credits) to work with here. I for one anticipated a hit 'n' run versus some chess game level of infiltration. One typically doesn't rob a bank by drugging the guards' mai tais the night before. Hell, I dig the fact that once the main doors closed we were relived of anything too laborious involving air ducts or retinal scans or characters seated at terminals bypassing security mainframes and whatnot. The whole thing was a little more 'cowboy' and to the point. - It's a small thing, but a particular detail that really stuck out was those Imperials running down that stairwell to get to the vault. The stairs were actually shaking. Didn't have a sci-fi, found future feel to it at all. The Empire apparently likes concrete dams lined with rickety stairs. Incredible worldbuilding. I noticed that, too. Specifically. My mind quickly flashed whatever county in Scotland that had available a water management facility for some quick 2nd unit shoots. It's still ultimately a TV show. Whaddya gonna do. I might argue, however, that such is precisely a "found future" look. I can't imagine that not single remote Wehrmacht depot in WWII was without some flimsy railing. - Did I mention I think I heard someone shouting "Move!"? Phenomenal scriptwriting in this episode. And let's not forget: "Cover me!!!" Or the guy running out into the open and getting gunned down at the last second as his mate fails to completely cover him. Totally didn't see that one coming. Yes, it was stock. But at least the sound didn't drift into a faded echo chamber effect lathered over with tragic 'heartstrings' scoring and a closeup of Andor beholding it all with anguish. - I kinda had to LOL at just how fast the train flies out of the station when Cassian hits the gas. And then everyone inside reacting like they'd just gone 100 mph in two seconds, when it seemed more like they achieved Saturn V rocket speeds. Pretty sure they'd all be a tangled mess of bones in the corner somewhere. The railship was fitted with a Relative C-force Compensation Stabilizer for minimizing low-level accidental acceleration... at least insofar that when Andor hit Ludicrous Speed the exchange rate from Saturn V to a mere 100 mph was credible.
- Cool lightshow when Cassian was flying through the clouds being pursued by those TIEs, but unfortunately, this is Star Wars: it's all been seen before. Mash up the escape from Cloud City with the big aerial battle on Exegol, season with a light sprinkling of "Solo" and its Kessel Run sequence, and you have this same sequence done better elsewhere. Better elsewhere...except for the aerial battle on Exegol, which I only remember as being busy-to-ostentatious without in any way being purposeful. The sequence in question actually kinda reminded me of the The Matrix Revolutions where Neo and Trinity chance their ship through an onslaught of sentinels towards the Machine City only to fly up over the cloud cover as a hail marry dodge maneuver. It had that same singular thrust of desperate linear destination, gravity, wave-riding and horizon brilliance. It's also the first time we've had a properly plot-oriented standout 'Go Fast' sequence since Solo. I'll take groundbreaking over customary, yes, but I'll also take customary over nothing at all... ...or JJ Abrams. - The butcher-flap door was very distracting ...at odds with the general Star Wars "look" (like a few things in this show, which are now starting to become irritating) wat. The butcher-flap...was distracting.
...as was that weird four-armed alien doctor, tonally jarring with regard to the seriousness of "Andor" and the urgency of this episode's final events. I might file this one in the 'Damned if you do, Damned if you don't' category. It was an alien -- as in: Star Wars -- but not an alien hamming up the scenery -- as in: Gilroy's Star Wars, not Lucas' -- which in turn landed for me with just about the right compromise, at least relative to this series. - So Vel didn't hear that laser blast outside (when Cassian shoots Skeen)? The butcher-flap was designed with special sound-dampening material necessary for an intensive surgical operating & recuperation environment.
- Pretty obvious the kid was gonna die. Like. From. His. Very. First. Scene. Of course, this is going to shake Cassian, harden his resolve, yadda yadda. All the usual cliches are appearing behind the fresh paint that is slowly peeling off the walls now. I figured he was dead meat as well yet it wasn't concluded as a (contrived) shock either. He coulda survived the operation, paralyzed, but the scene just casually covers his body in a medium-master shot. No dying last words, no lamentation from Vel or Andor, no drawn-out eulogy. Very matter-of-fact. All the deaths in this episode were ill repute, but Karis especially seemed to stress the equal-parts anonymity and fatalism of a Star Wars consistent with Gilroy going back to Rogue One. So it might not be the fairest slant to hold against said outcome. - The music in this episode flat-out sucked. Totally generic. Nothing exciting, interesting, uplifting, gut-wrenching -- let alone anything remotely Star Wars -- about it. The whole series just took a massive dump on itself here. Compared to the previous five episodes? Nothing about the scoring has been narrating the proceedings in the classic vein of John Williams, no doubt; per the usual teledrama format it's mostly reserved to servicing the series with a steady background mono-ambience. I've been sorta take-it-or-leave-it myself, but it seems kinda odd to all the sudden harp on it six episodes in. Moreover, there is a distinct albeit modest 'team hero' cue that steadily rises as the firefight edges closer to the final escape while I thought it clever how the airbase alarm was mixed into the music as the TIEs were being mounted. And upon the railship propelling into the meteor-showering sky in a massive vista shot there is a high rhythmic orchestral that strikes a similar chord to, as a second reference, Don Davis' scoring for The Matrix trilogy. Lastly, synth-rendered seeds of what may one day soon become "hope" -- an Alliance -- really lift the final moment of the episode with Rael laughing excitingly at the news of an Aldhani Rebel attack. All things considered, the music is doggedly doing a job, even if not a remarkable one. So, yeah, I don't know where I stand with this whole "Star Wars as television" deal right now. I'm starting to revert to my earlier position and beginning to feel it's a mistake: contrived, silly, a big fat waste of time. I do feel you on this to a certain extent. These modern Diseny-era Star Wars experiences can have quick-fix highs followed by sobering lows. But I also seem to remember you rewatching an earlier episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi only to come away with a more positive take. Or something like that, anyways. Maybe take a minute and revisit 'The Eye' with tempered expectations. Shit, even I don't think Andor is single-handedly working miracles or righting every wrong since visited upon Star Wars by the Mouse House. But maybe, just maybe, the series is slowly crawling its way out of something.
I also sometimes think, Cryo, you are you're own worst enemy.
Question: When you go Mr. Hyde, does your (assumed) lilted Welsh turn into a thuggish cockney?
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 13, 2022 20:30:14 GMT
LOL I was wondering when Cryo would go strange case of Mr. Hyde on us. I prefer Bruce Banner/The Incredible Hulk. Cryo Smash!!! Not really. I was just expecting something a tinge more sci-fi. That said, I misspoke: It's technically not concrete, but quarried rock. I think the issue largely comes down to scale. Based on the how fast the freighter blasts out of there (and the fact they were penetrating an Imperial vault), the rebels must have gone a mile or two beneath the surface (the dam atop), but not much internal geography is shown. It's just a few small grey rooms and a convenient elevator and then suddenly they're at the vault. I counted on there being a bit more sneaking and co-ordination. Then again, Cassian does say to Luthen in the third episode: "You just walk in like you belong."
No. But yeah. But no. Good points, certainly. I suppose what I take issue with is the fact that both those characters were quite stern toward Cassian and suspicious of his presence, yet we're deprived of any follow-up between them. I mean, yeah, that's life 'n' all, but maybe one of them could been spared. Then again, it seems they were clearing the board at the end of this episode, leaving just one man and two women alive. I kinda like it. And I guess it's a prelude to all the rebels dying in "Rogue One". It was, yeah. And, first time watching that previous episode, I initially mistook "payroll" for, well: pay- roll. As in: a document or a ledger. Like they were trying to discover who is on the Imperial payroll and that was valuable information by itself ("And on the payroll of the Federation, I might add"). Of course, payroll can also mean "the pay itself". I think I was still confused, though, on the train thing initially, going into this episode. Revisit the fifth episode ("The Axe Forgets"). Some complication concerning the train is brought up around thirteen minutes into that episode. Vel and Taramyn are concerned about a particular operational detail. This is what Vel says (per the subtitles): "Obviously, it's a track launch, so there's an adjusted thrust ratio to make it up the ramp." They then press Cassian into revealing how to input the weight of the payload. Cassian subsequently queries them if they're sure the train is "mounted" and "ready to go". They claim to be sure, then Cassian says: "There's a load clutch. It's a big ugly handle just right next to the booster throttle. There's a gauge just below to read the weight." Taramyn is curious why this isn't in the manual, but Cassian assures them it's because "it's a custom job, it's an add-on." The scene seems primarily designed to show the rebels weren't as prepared as they were making out, and that Cassian is a vital member of the team, who has seen more of the galaxy than they have. But it also suggests they were going to run into difficulties and maybe encounter a surprise or two. However, unless I'm missing something, it doesn't come up in the just-released sixth episode. Perhaps I am missing something. Does Cassian fuck up and inadvertently kill Nemik when he hurriedly gets the train engines up and running and slams the throttle forward? Re-watching the episode, I see that the rebels' greed and inexperience both get the better of them. Maybe this explains the hundred-or-so "move" commands; and, interestingly, all the rebels killed -- even Skeen (indirectly) -- seem to be victims of them taking too long and trying to load every last bar of the payroll (Gorn arrives and tells them to stop and fly off immediately, then the fatal shootout and related events occur). If there's an image that sums the episode up, or the series' underlying moral intelligence, you could do worse than this one: A dead body surrounded by relatively worthless scraps of gold. Blood and money. Blood money. A ruddy rebellion. So, I guess, what I'm saying is: This "Andor" series is actually some smartly-written shit where thought becomes action and actions have consequences. I think, on a first watch last night, I did indeed do the episode a disservice. Some of my issues have melted away on a re-watch this afternoon. It was kind of the million-and-one slow-moving party-streamer realisation of the shower I had a slight problem with. Mind you, Gorn does describe it in the third episode as "like a curtain being pulled across the sky". Maybe they took a bit of fantasy licence. I think the human-centric nature of Star Wars under Disney is something of a bummer. It just doesn't have the same exotic flavour that George Lucas gave it. When you see a cohort of humans of varying skin tones all huddled together worshipping the sky, on Scottish Highlands planet, it has a bit too much of an Earth-like, Celtic vibe. Mind you, perhaps there was a symbolic link between Cassian's tribe (in the flashbacks in the first three episodes) and the Aldhani equally being mystified by a sky event. With the former, they were watching a piece of technology in free fall; in this episode, the natives had gathered to watch a natural event (in which a ship gets away). I see what you're saying. It's not a badly done sequence for what it is. On a re-watch, it flowed a bit better. But yeah, it's still a bit choppy-chop. However, if you pay attention to the desperation of the rebels, as they race to get the job done, taking too long and lingering and missing their opportunity to escape without losses, it feels logically constructed; and, unlike the aforementioned "Obi-Wan", not a shrill, chaotic mess or needlessly silly. So fair enough. I just wanna tip my hat to them on this one: The run-times of "Andor" are a welcome improvement on the run-times of "The Mandalorian" and "Obi-Wan". So far, every episode has been well-paced (if slow-going), allowing for some respectably robust character development, solid worldbuilding, and the ratcheting up of stakes and tension. "Andor" has a good set of ingredients and the cake is kept in the oven and allowed to bake correctly. I suppose I just wanted one more wrinkle, one more obstacle, one more thing that could have slowed them down, or that they had to engage their brains over (rather than their vocal cords and their busy shoulders). It was admittedly a hardcore moment when poor Commandant Jayhold apparently had a heart attack after being stricken to find that Gorn was a rebel spy and having been worked to death by the rebels. I mean, this shit is pretty dark and mean for Star Wars, really. These aren't the lovely, cuddly rebels of the OT, that's for sure. On my re-watch, maybe it wasn't that fast. And, again, Cassian seems to put thrusters at maximum, perhaps skipping over the weight calibration mentioned in the previous episode. Hence the reason they all go flying back. The rest of it can probably be explained as a slight nod to the podrace sequence in Episode I. I think there's even a podracer engine sound in there somewhere. I also liked the sound effect of the train hurtling through the tunnel. Very nice visual effects there, too. Ha! Well, I think I'm going to skip right over this righteous pounding. I'll give "Andor" points, as you suggest vis-a-vis your passing critique of the Exegol battle, for being short and to-the-point. It's as visually delicious as it needs to be, and before you know it, it's over and done. Another good use of resources (on, obviously, a much more limited budget). Your point of comparison with "The Matrix Revolutions" is interesting. Now that I think about it, it definitely had a kind of TMR/"Interstellar"-ish escaping-the-limited-temporal-world quality about it. I was just in a mood there. This episode rightly completed Nemik's arc. He died and went to Polaroid heaven. It struck me as flatter and more anonymous than in previous episodes. But on my re-watch today, there were actually several parts where the music nicely accentuated one moment or another. I was deliberately paying closer attention. One highlight being the little piece that plays when Cassian is flying through the meteor shower; has a mild and quietly enrapturing celestial feel, contrasting well with all the grim planning and fraught dynamics of everything on the ground preceding it. Why wouldn't an Imperial freighter ascending into the heavenly realm with many bars of gold receive a majestic musical uplift? Also, every time there is something actually strange and neat-looking in Disney Star Wars (hey, it occasionally happens), I am reminded of Han's casual boast to Luke: "Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, seen a lot of strange stuff..." You offer a sober and realistic assessment: of both the show and my own discontentment. 'Tis true that I came a cropper toward "Obi-Wan" on its third episode, then gave it a re-watch and thought better of it. Though, it then slid down in my estimation again, particularly after the next episode. However, compared to that series, "Andor" is already acquitting itself considerably better. If I started off being grouchy toward the new episode, perhaps my earlier cynicism and unease toward the series (see Reply #11 -- my first unfurling of thoughts toward the show premiere) returned in earnest, when I should have been doing more to keep them at bay. I'm obviously the guy that digs "The Rise Of Skywalker". I even think "The Force Awakens" and "The Last Jedi" are pretty okay, dagnabbit. In fact, perhaps my TROS and mainline Saga love clouded my judgement toward "Andor" six episodes in. "Andor" is manifestly not a Saga movie; and some expectations (or habits of thought) need to be lowered a tad. Then its light can shine through. The Eye of Aldhani 'n' all that jazz. Your own. Ah, yes, I see what you mean... Ah! Loaded question. But, okay, if I swallow the bait, then... Yes.
Wait! No.
No, no, no, no. And yes.
Y'see, I don't at all have a lilting Welsh accent (I'm not native Aldhani -- I'm Imperial!), and I know only about five Welsh words. I hail from the West Midlands and so have something of a detectable accent/dialect in that regard. Quite a few people from the West Midlands actually live in Wales. On Skype calls, a few people here can probably attest to the notion that I sound durably "British" (as in: the Queen's English -- RIP). However, my paternal grandfather was born in Wales, then moved to London, before settling finally in the West Midlands. My dad himself was raised in London before they moved to the West Midlands when he was a teenager. So I do have a trace of Cockney within me. And, I guess, Welsh. This kinda links me into this whole "Andor"/"Rogue One" era, incidentally, since Gareth Edwards is from Nuneaton and Felicity Jones is from Birmingham (my home city). We all have our own personal and ancestral connections to this franchise, right?
But yes, to answer your question more directly: I easily revert to a kind of foul-mouthed, Ray Winstone-esque rage when my computer screws up or is taking too long. "COME ON, YOU FACKING CAHNT!!!" It's liberating.
In fact, I should be full of rage right now and Cryo Smashing again. Know why? I discovered that Disney+ is a fucking technical travesty on PC. From the reading around I've done (since being dissatisfied with the streaming quality), I've learned that it only goes up to 720p in most circumstances. Even though they offer up to 4K in the settings. Total bullshit. It's weird because an episode always starts looking nice and Full HD-like. However, after about thirty seconds, and this is every damn time, it drops down to a softer image; and then nothing can force it back to Full HD, short of completely refreshing the page; whence it then proceeds, after another thirty seconds, to drop back to a softer image again. And because it's a streamed 720p image (i.e., heavily compressed), it basically looks like an upscaled DVD. In this day and age, that's terrible (especially for a service you have to pay for).
Maybe that's part of what drove me to be a little harsh toward this latest episode. I'm sick of Disney shenanigans. It's utterly ridiculous that "Andor" and the other shows look better in YouTube clips than they do for me on the bloody streaming service itself. Disney needs to get its act together. YouTube has offered 2K/1080p since 2009. YouTube is also literally the only video platform I trust to deliver consistent video quality and not drop down automatically to something mediocre (well, and Vimeo, but hardly anyone uses that). I can't really marvel at the craft -- production design, effects, cinematography -- all that much because of this insane technical limitation. It is possible that some parts of the episode registered to me as a little vague for that reason. The palettes and everything are very commendably controlled in this series; but in a situation like that, you want to be able to drink in every available little detail. And I'm restricted in that.
Anyway, yeah, I think I'm going to revert back to enjoying the show now, my little crisis-of-faith event hopefully being over. It's an amazingly tempered and steady production. Very few gimmicks -- just straight storytelling and valid cause-and-effect mechanics. This is still surprising to see coming out of Disney; and while it doesn't necessarily right every wrong, as you said, it seems to be a little oasis of assuredness unto itself. I'll take it.
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Post by Ingram on Oct 14, 2022 3:48:47 GMT
If there's an image that sums the episode up, or the series' underlying moral intelligence, you could do worse than this one: A dead body surrounded by relatively worthless scraps of gold. It's how I wanna go. It was admittedly a hardcore moment when poor Commandant Jayhold apparently had a heart attack after being stricken to find that Gorn was a rebel spy and having been worked to death by the rebels. I mean, this shit is pretty dark and mean for Star Wars, really. These aren't the lovely, cuddly rebels of the OT, that's for sure. One might say he died...of a broken heart.I was just in a mood there. This episode rightly completed Nemik's arc. He died and went to Polaroid heaven. lol. Not gonna lie ...his character I won't miss. Ah! Loaded question. But, okay, if I swallow the bait, then... Yes. Wait! No. No, no, no, no. And yes. Y'see, I don't at all have a lilting Welsh accent (I'm not native Aldhani -- I'm Imperial!), and I know only about five Welsh words. I hail from the West Midlands and so have something of a detectable accent/dialect in that regard. Quite a few people from the West Midlands actually live in Wales. On Skype calls, a few people here can probably attest to the notion that I sound durably "British" (as in: the Queen's English -- RIP). However, my paternal grandfather was born in Wales, then moved to London, before settling finally in the West Midlands. My dad himself was raised in London before they moved to the West Midlands when he was a teenager. So I do have a trace of Cockney within me. And, I guess, Welsh. This kinda links me into this whole "Andor"/"Rogue One" era, incidentally, since Gareth Edwards is from Nuneaton and Felicity Jones is from Birmingham (my home city). We all have our own personal and ancestral connections to this franchise, right? But yes, to answer your question more directly: I easily revert to a kind of foul-mouthed, Ray Winstone-esque rage when my computer screws up or is taking too long. "COME ON, YOU FACKING CAHNT!!!" It's liberating. Um, alright. None of us elsewhere can make heads-or-tails of your little island of heathen Celts and Saxons, anyways. One thing's fact: you Brits sure do prize the C-word. I'm surprised I haven't heard it yet in Andor, be it from Vel or Major Partagaz or Mothma's douchey husband or, hell, even Mothma herself; it'd ring true from any of them. In fact, I should be full of rage right now and Cryo Smashing again. Know why? I discovered that Disney+ is a fucking technical travesty on PC. From the reading around I've done (since being dissatisfied with the streaming quality), I've learned that it only goes up to 720p in most circumstances. Even though they offer up to 4K in the settings. Total bullshit. It's weird because an episode always starts looking nice and Full HD-like. However, after about thirty seconds, and this is every damn time, it drops down to a softer image; and then nothing can force it back to Full HD, short of completely refreshing the page; whence it then proceeds, after another thirty seconds, to drop back to a softer image again. And because it's a streamed 720p image (i.e., heavily compressed), it basically looks like an upscaled DVD. In this day and age, that's terrible (especially for a service you have to pay for). Maybe that's part of what drove me to be a little harsh toward this latest episode. I'm sick of Disney shenanigans. It's utterly ridiculous that "Andor" and the other shows look better in YouTube clips than they do for me on the bloody streaming service itself. Disney needs to get its act together. YouTube has offered 2K/1080p since 2009. YouTube is also literally the only video platform I trust to deliver consistent video quality and not drop down automatically to something mediocre (well, and Vimeo, but hardly anyone uses that). I can't really marvel at the craft -- production design, effects, cinematography -- all that much because of this insane technical limitation. It is possible that some parts of the episode registered to me as a little vague for that reason. The palettes and everything are very commendably controlled in this series; but in a situation like that, you want to be able to drink in every available little detail. And I'm restricted in that. Chief, that sucks. I've never been much for expressing legit sorrow -- you'd found less from me had you shared the death of a pet or elderly grandparent -- but that sucks. Home viewing presentational quality is for me of an import that can scarcely be quantified. I don't watch shit on my desktop, nor do I bother with stupid little phone screens or tablets period. I rock a 60-inch Sony 4K set that's reserved strictly for my Blu-ray/4K disc player and occasional streaming content, mostly movies and much of it highly selective (not a "TV" guy in general). So your pain is real to me. You need to just break into a neighbor's house when they're not home for Star Wars proper. You don't gotta vandalize or try on their underwear or anything. Just Star Wars. You can even clean up the place and stock their fridge—leave them a note that says "Thanks for the Andor." Unless they're assholes, they'll understand. Anyway, yeah, I think I'm going to revert back to enjoying the show now, my little crisis-of-faith... It's not a matter of faith. At least it shouldn't be. You SHOULD opine your stream-of-conscious thoughts, criticisms, chagrin etc. immediately following something like this. It's good for discussion and the series is hardly beyond reproach. But seriously, though: the butcher-flap door?!
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 14, 2022 5:06:39 GMT
IngramI shudder when I see people watching movies on their phones or laptop.
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 16, 2022 23:01:24 GMT
CryogenicYou just can't beat Gungans and Ewoks. Exactly. The desire to crank the grit, the realism, and the adultness up to eleven misses the point of what Star Wars is. It amazes me the way people take Star Wars too literally sometimes. Myth= non-literal truth. When Cryo goes into the verbal version of a Hulk smash, I am always entertained.
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 17, 2022 4:48:45 GMT
If the Indian girl took me hostage, tied me up, yelled at me, and bossed me around...I can only conclude that this would be anything but boring.
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Post by jppiper on Oct 17, 2022 21:36:31 GMT
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Post by Ingram on Oct 17, 2022 23:40:02 GMT
An indication, then, that the showrunners at Andor are doing something right.
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Post by Ingram on Oct 19, 2022 8:34:29 GMT
Somehow I found this episode more rewarding than the last. It was...far out. It pulled off some of the most expansive world-building yet for the series and with so many delectable morsels sprinkled throughout, including at least two fairly clear lines of dialogue that were callbacks to the OT. Is it weird that I am (we are) starting to question Team Rael's moral compass while rooting for both ISB supe Meero and Major Partagaz backing her play?
Also, Spring Break Star Wars. That is now officially a thing that happened. Star Wars—featuring the 'Tampa Bay' system. Rave music. Alien patrons sitting in flea market lawn chairs. Public beach troopers. What a trip.
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 19, 2022 16:21:22 GMT
If the Indian girl took me hostage, tied me up, yelled at me, and bossed me around...I can only conclude that this would be anything but boring. Why, Smitty, my good fellow, whatever do you mean? An indication, then, that the showrunners at Andor are doing something right. We'll see. I tend to think, in the long run, all Star Wars things find the audience they deserve. As for the latest episode... Somehow I found this episode more rewarding than the last. It was...far out. Just finished watching it, and yes: it was an improvement on the last. We were back on solid ground in this one. Good tension and intrigue, a well-managed tone, decent worldbuilding, and some excellent character scenes. Not weird. I think it's a decent reflection of how the episode skews. However, this latest episode was also keen to remind us that the Empire is a thoroughly nasty organisation: cutthroat within and extremely ruthless without. LOL. Miami Vice Star Wars. I'm totally down with that.
Spring break. In Star Wars. A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
I guess poor old Cassian thought he could enjoy all outdoor and indoor sports...
Yeah, I know, if you steal 80 million credits from an Imperial base, you gotta pay the piper.
Still, can't we enjoy a little sinful indulgence now and again? Bloody Empire.
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Post by smittysgelato on Oct 19, 2022 22:14:10 GMT
That beach sequence was a delightful piece of filmmaking. It had a whole vibe.
And MON MOTHMA! <3 <3 <3!!!!!
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 19, 2022 23:59:52 GMT
That beach sequence was a delightful piece of filmmaking. It had a whole vibe. And MON MOTHMA's incredible figure in that dress! <3 <3 <3!!!!! Fixed.
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Post by Somny on Oct 20, 2022 0:07:54 GMT
I'm loving the Kafkaesque vibe to the latest turn in Syril's arc. Anyone ever seen Welles' 1962 film adaptation of The Trial? A direct lift! And it's definitely a Jewish mother stereotype the makers are presenting; not Italian. It rhymes with the eastern European bloc influence on Syril's Coruscant home and the character's desire to be seen as a virile officer rather than an effeminate accountant. A very stereotypical predicament. Andor is demonstrating an exemplary way of expanding on SW by strategically assimilating the prevalent forces and areas of interest that exist or have existed in the real world/history. *Chef's kiss* From The Trial (1962): From Andor (2022):
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 20, 2022 0:35:11 GMT
I'm loving the Kafkaesque vibe to the latest turn in Syril's arc. Anyone ever seen Welles' 1962 film adaptation of The Trial? A direct lift! I liked the final shot which was an edit pullback-zoom of Syril looking up at the viewer. Unsettlingly meta. Yeah, I misspoke there. I'm still wondering how Syril will end up. He has some kind of inner drive that his mother doesn't see. All she wants, in that stereotypical way, is for him to have some kind of respectable career and become a man in the process. Maybe his obsession with Cassian will ultimately bear fruit. Or maybe it will doom Syril entirely. I can see it going either way. Personally, I want him to join the rebels as an epic "F U" to his mother. Right. Although, as smart as this series is, it's pretty feckin' depressing -- almost a bit too close to real life. George Lucas originally created Star Wars as a palliative to the cynical, downbeat films of the time, and as basic moral instruction for young people. "Andor" certainly has moral intelligence, but it's not offering much relief for what we're up against now as digital citizens of a global superstate. This episode painted everyone as trapped within a panopticon Big Brother dystopia. It is actually far bleaker than any of the previous ones. The Miami bit at the end may almost have been funny to begin with, but it soon ended on the same dark note. The Empire is everywhere and good luck escaping it (this message has been brought to you by the Mickey Mouse Empire). Really uplifting stuff.
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