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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Nov 20, 2022 18:34:45 GMT
That's very nice of you to say, Cryo. I do try to add something. The five year anniversary as well as the recent Rian Johnson interview got me to think about this movie again, and the whole development of the sequel trilogy has been on my mind recently. To me it's an interesting topic. You're welcome. It makes sense you would want to return to your own thread from time to time and add a bit extra, especially in light of little milestones like those you just mentioned. All topics are potentially or subjectively interesting. To me, a lot of it boils down to the attitude of the reader. The person who casually scolded you has literally made no direct contribution other than that one: i.e., that is their one and only reply. Granted, I haven't said a great deal, either, but my attitude on this is: at least get involved before bitching. Well, if I could give the Sequel Trilogy an alternate title, I might call it "The Red String Trilogy", primarily because of TLJ. It is TLJ that made the Rey-Kylo connection an official thing, which TROS dutifully followed up on. Seeds of it, of course, were planted in TFA, but I think it was Rian Johnson that decided to water them and make them sprout. Thank you. To me, only TROS really took the ST out of the push-pull TFA-TLJ morass, attempting to bring unity to the trilogy with the whole Reylo aspect, as mentioned above. That's sort of the glue holding the whole trilogy together. The rest is just gravy. I really like the Rey-Kylo connection, especially as presented in TLJ. It created a cool new ability that added to the repertoire of the Force, and it was done purely through editing, which is very Lucasian. It was a similarly bold choice as the "Padmé's ruminations" scene in RotS. I feel like Johnson extrapolated it from there. I see the Anakin-Padmé connection as the precursor to the whole dyad between Rey and Kylo. As Padmé dies, Anakin is reborn. I also see a dyad between Anakin and Obi-Wan. As Anakin is reborn, Obi-Wan dies and is reborn as Ben. I was also thinking that there was a push-pull tension between Abrams and Johnson's movies. I think that still somewhat exists in TRoS, which in some ways responded to TLJ by restoring things from TFA, like Kylo's mask and the Knights of Ren, etc. But to me, TRoS was the anchor that grounded the ST in the rest of the saga. Snoke was just a clone puppeteered by Palpatine, and the First Order, including the Knights of Ren, were just a front for the Sith who were behind everything since the beginning. After TLJ pulled the veil on all the empty "mystery boxes" from TFA, TRoS then revealed that it all connected to Lucas' saga in the end. A bit last minute, but I liked it. The funny thing is that Rian has Luke Force Project with Anakin's lightsaber...So, was Rian really rejecting the lightsaber and what it represented in the end? Or is Luke projecting with the lightsaber simply because that is what the immature Kylo Ren expects? The fact that Luke says, "I will not be the Last Jedi" seems to indicate Rian isn't really rejecting the lightsaber. I walked out of the theatre the first time confused as to what Rian was going for, and am still kinda confused. My reading of that is that Rian was rejecting just the fetishized image of the saber seen in TFA, not what it meant in Lucas' saga. Anakin's saber was never really that special in Lucas' films, it was just a lightsaber. Yes, it's an important passing of the baton when Obi-Wan gives it to Luke in ANH, but it wasn't the sort of be-all and end-all item that could trigger visions like it was in TFA. Luke just builds a new lightsaber after losing it, which is in contrast to Rey having rebuilt the saber in TRoS, which is again Abrams kind of clinging to the past. I wish Rey had the new yellow saber right from the beginning in TRoS and fought Palpatine with it. That would've been cool. Granted, I haven't said a great deal, either, but my attitude on this is: at least get involved before bitching. "It's all a machine, partner. Live free, don't join." ...Seeker, if you seek a possible metaphorical, uber-ironic dig from Johnson...
 That is the kind of line I'm seeking. To me, these meta lines seem to be targeted at TFA and Disney, not Lucas' saga. A lot of people have thought that TLJ is irreverent towards Star Wars as a whole, but I don't think so. I think it's making commentary on the state of Disney's Star Wars specifically. |
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Post by Samnz on Nov 20, 2022 20:28:27 GMT
I'm just realizing that I have no idea what you're all talking about because I'm so unfamiliar with the ST as a result of an utter lack of interest upon first viewing. It's kind of funny. Interesting conversation anyway! "So, like, the film is a canny subversion of expectations mixed in with oblique homage to classic Star Wars tropes, even down to the ambiguity of Luke facing off against Kylo with the classic Anakin saber whilst Rey discreetly maintains the real one that she tussled with Kylo over, albeit in a broken state." George/Samnz: ....................................................... |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Nov 24, 2022 16:59:23 GMT
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 4, 2023 17:44:26 GMT
Watched TLJ again, and I must say it's the only Disney Star Wars movie/show that has stood the test of time for me. I discover something new to appreciate about it each time. I think it's layered in a similarly dense way as the Lucas films. TRoS I see as TLJ's little brother and very much adjacent to it because a lot of it deals with the consequences of the decisions made in TLJ, so I do also find enjoyment out of TRoS. But TLJ is it for me from Disney Star Wars. I think it's a beautifully made film.
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Post by Samnz on May 7, 2023 10:02:59 GMT
TLJ is a strange movie, in my opinion. I do feels it's the most "artistic" of the ST and indeed the "most beautifully made", but I just remember how that movie buried my interest in any new Star Wars project for quite some time. I didn't enjoy TFA very much, but I wasn't as offended as other Lucasfans as a result of not expecting anything and never wanting an ST to begin with. I remember having some hope that TLJ would somehow turn the ST project into something that makes sense and make it feel like the continuation of both the OT and the PT and it didn't deliver in that regard at all. The characters were even more boring than they were in TFA and thus I gave up on the idea of this ST having any ambition or justification whatsoever.
I don't feel any desire to rewatch any of the ST movies in the nearer future, but who knows how I will feel once I commit myself to do so.
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Post by jppiper on Sept 3, 2023 0:31:46 GMT
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Post by jppiper on Jan 27, 2024 5:39:36 GMT
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Feb 5, 2024 6:57:01 GMT
no it isn't! it makes a decent enough point. TLJ is the main thing that keeps me (and many critics it would seem) from hating the ST outright, and a lot of it logically follows some of Lucas's ideas. It's really a very pro-Lucas article in that regard. |
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Post by jppiper on Feb 5, 2024 18:04:56 GMT
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