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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jan 23, 2022 9:39:07 GMT
I def think of Canto Bight as the dark side version of Naboo. And btw, Seeker of the Whills You are a far braver man than I for starting a thread on TLJ.   I knew TLJ is controversial, but I was compelled to make a thread on it because of my recent rewatch, which changed my perspective. Must not let fear guide you. I think Canto Bight is an amalgamation of planets from TPM. It looks like Naboo from the outside and the police resemble Naboo security forces, the casino looks like the opera on Coruscant, and the fathier races resemble podracing and they have slave children like on Tatooine. It's basically Preguels: The Planet. |
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Post by eljedicolombiano on May 10, 2022 2:18:09 GMT
When you have children who saw this movie and immediately said "turn it off daddy!" "That is not Luke Skywalker!" you've completely failed as a director of a Star Wars movie.
That's all I'll say about it
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Post by jppiper on May 30, 2022 23:15:05 GMT
Superficial similarities are not echoes of themes or evidence of consistency. They're stylistic references at best, voided of any theme. You know what's not Lucasian? Vulgar preachiness. Children using the Force without any training or contact with a Jedi. Portraying Luke in a completely opposite way from when we last saw him without any logic whatsoever, as if the journey he went through was meaningless. Or have him make non sequitur rants against the Jedi. Or turning Jedi training and their ways into nothing but "lifting rocks". Or turning self-sacrifice into a joke. Or carelessly using Yoda as a vehicle of environmental destruction from the netherworld of the Force. Etc, etc... How about the fact that they used a Puppet Yoda which to me is a Giant Middle Finger to Prequel Fans?! |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 31, 2022 1:07:12 GMT
Superficial similarities are not echoes of themes or evidence of consistency. They're stylistic references at best, voided of any theme. You know what's not Lucasian? Vulgar preachiness. Children using the Force without any training or contact with a Jedi. Portraying Luke in a completely opposite way from when we last saw him without any logic whatsoever, as if the journey he went through was meaningless. Or have him make non sequitur rants against the Jedi. Or turning Jedi training and their ways into nothing but "lifting rocks". Or turning self-sacrifice into a joke. Or carelessly using Yoda as a vehicle of environmental destruction from the netherworld of the Force. Etc, etc... How about the fact that they used a Puppet Yoda which to me is a Giant Middle Finger to Prequel Fans?! Hmm, how to sum up the sequels in a handful of words? TFA = "This will begin to make things right." TLJ = Puppet Yoda blows up a tree. TROS = Rey Palpatine. |
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Post by Alexrd on May 31, 2022 9:02:44 GMT
How about the fact that they used a Puppet Yoda which to me is a Giant Middle Finger to Prequel Fans?! All of it is a giant middle finger to Star Wars. There's no vision, nor a desire to push the envelope to materialize it. So they cling to their memories, instead of what's better or more proper. The more Disney Star Wars is produced, the more evident it becomes that fans can't make Star Wars. That requires thinking outside the box, imagination and vision. And above all, understanding George Lucas and what he established. Fans can only regurgitate what they already saw (and what they think they saw), and only their favorite beats. As time goes on, Star Wars-labeled productions will become increasingly visually mundane. |
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Post by jppiper on Aug 31, 2022 17:21:31 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Aug 31, 2022 17:59:09 GMT
Alexrd Thoughts on this Tweet? Jesse McLaren, @mcjesse
So Luke Skywalker force projected across the galaxy to distract a Sith blinded by anger that he didn’t even realize he wasn’t a fighting a physical person, allowing the next generation of heroes to escape and then he gloriously faded into the sunset AND YOU DIDN’T LIKE THAT?!
12:10 am, 31 Aug 2022 Joe, don't listen to anything on Twitter/Twatter. It's a safe space for the leftist collective. As for that moment in the film? It's a pretty epic happening that maybe has one of the best bits of musical scoring in the whole Sequel Trilogy. Alas, they have another tweet underneath, which is slightly dumber: I have no idea what a "nepo baby" is, but Lucas has long emphasised that Star Wars is a "soap opera", and that it's "all about generations (and) family problems" ( LINK). To mock people for having an expectation that the Sequel Trilogy would continue that central theme and stick with Rey being a Skywalker is pretty condescending, but that's these Twitter bots for you. Furthermore, TLJ itself doesn't "reveal" anything. It simply keeps teasing and teasing. Very little is actually committed to in the movie. It's far too busy deconstructing. All the reconstructing is left for other movies and projects to take care of. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Aug 31, 2022 18:04:06 GMT
At least Johnson is sticking to his guns. Empire articleApparently there will be an extensive interview with Johnson in the next issue of Empire. I have to get that issue to check it out. I realize it's a heretical opinion to hold, especially among us Lucas faithful, but The Last Jedi keeps growing on me, at least as far as the three sequel films go. I keep picturing it in my head and I see a quite beautiful image, that of the green of Ahch-To. Maybe it's more that I like the idea of the film more than the final result. There are many things I don't like about it. But it stands out to me sandwiched between Abrams' two films. It almost feels like there was some spark of creativity behind it like in Lucas' films, which is saying something for Disney. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 31, 2022 20:23:20 GMT
I love how Luke goes out in TLJ. However, I think Rey being a nobody is based on a very cynical interpretation that if she is related to someone famous within the world of the story, then that means the trope is "perpetuating" (hate that word) some kind of elitism. I.e. only the rich get to be heroes or some shit like that. I think that is a total misinterpretation of following in your father's footsteps. If you look at Luke, he has a spiritual father (Anakin) and an earthly set of parents (Owen and Beru). Therefore he is fulfilling his spiritual potential by following in his father's footsteps. In some ways that makes Anakin Luke's culture hero. And, of course, in Episode IX, Rey is basically adopted by the Skywalkers (her spiritual family). This is why Luke and Leia appear as ghosts at the end because they are her godparents (i.e. spiritual parents).
Contemporary filmmakers don't really fully grasp myth the way Campbell did.
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Post by jppiper on Aug 31, 2022 22:46:24 GMT
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Post by Darkslayer on Sept 1, 2022 0:22:58 GMT
At least Johnson is sticking to his guns. Empire articleApparently there will be an extensive interview with Johnson in the next issue of Empire. I have to get that issue to check it out. I realize it's a heretical opinion to hold, especially among us Lucas faithful, but The Last Jedi keeps growing on me, at least as far as the three sequel films go. I keep picturing it in my head and I see a quite beautiful image, that of the green of Ahch-To. Maybe it's more that I like the idea of the film more than the final result. There are many things I don't like about it. But it stands out to me sandwiched between Abrams' two films. It almost feels like there was some spark of creativity behind it like in Lucas' films, which is saying something for Disney. I mean it’s easily the best from the Disney Trilogy but is that really saying much? |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Sept 1, 2022 2:48:30 GMT
At least Johnson is sticking to his guns. Empire articleApparently there will be an extensive interview with Johnson in the next issue of Empire. I have to get that issue to check it out. I realize it's a heretical opinion to hold, especially among us Lucas faithful, but The Last Jedi keeps growing on me, at least as far as the three sequel films go. I keep picturing it in my head and I see a quite beautiful image, that of the green of Ahch-To. Maybe it's more that I like the idea of the film more than the final result. There are many things I don't like about it. But it stands out to me sandwiched between Abrams' two films. It almost feels like there was some spark of creativity behind it like in Lucas' films, which is saying something for Disney. I mean it’s easily the best from the Disney Trilogy but is that really saying much? Yeah, it's not saying much. The sequel films as a whole were and still are largely a huge disappointment to me since they didn't stick to Lucas' vision. At the time of their release I was totally against them. I have however somewhat mellowed out on TLJ and TRoS. TFA remains a sticking point. But there is some alluring quality about TLJ. I at the very least appreciate the visual style of the movie. I find the use of red irresistible. |
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Post by Alexrd on Sept 1, 2022 9:05:28 GMT
Alexrd Thoughts on this Tweet? None. I don't care. |
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Post by jppiper on Sept 3, 2022 0:20:12 GMT
Alexrd Now one idiot on youtube in the comments said it was the best star wars film saying it was better than AOTC that's for sure so he thinks the movie that continued the destruction of a once proud franchise is better than the film that Revealed what the Clone Wars were
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Post by Alexrd on Sept 3, 2022 14:23:14 GMT
Alexrd Now one idiot on youtube in the comments said it was the best star wars film saying it was better than AOTC that's for sure so he thinks the movie that continued the destruction of a once proud franchise is better than the film that Revealed what the Clone Wars were My level of care didn't change though. It's better to let it go. Or respond to it if you want. There's really no point in tagging me just because someone online wrote something stupid. I mean, if someone is willing to engage in discussion, that's different. But the chances of that being the case are very slim. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Sept 3, 2022 23:31:11 GMT
Alexrd Now one idiot on youtube in the comments said it was the best star wars film saying it was better than AOTC that's for sure so he thinks the movie that continued the destruction of a once proud franchise is better than the film that Revealed what the Clone Wars were My level of care didn't change though. OMG, Alex wins the Internet! |
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Post by deliveranze on Sept 13, 2022 7:04:25 GMT
Yeah, JJ’s films are more egregious and offensive to me as a prequel fan than TLJ. Hell, I enjoyed TLJ for what it was, but TFA and TROS are so bad that the entire trilogy just collapses in on itself. It started off bad and somehow ended worse (sorry TROS fans  ) TFA is an interesting film just because of the “era” it was made: the height of anti-prequel sentiment. In some ways, the film is like a sequel to a fanfic version of the PT (or Disney’s ideas of a reboot PT), so it is kind of fun to watch the film as if a new/alt version of Anakin’s fall, the Republic’s decline, and the Clone Wars happened in its continuity but there’s no way this is a sequel (spiritual since 2005 or the same timeline) to George’s version of events that occurred in the PT we got. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Sept 13, 2022 13:24:43 GMT
Yeah, JJ’s films are more egregious and offensive to me as a prequel fan than TLJ. Hell, I enjoyed TLJ for what it was, but TFA and TROS are so bad that the entire trilogy just collapses in on itself. It started off bad and somehow ended worse (sorry TROS fans ) TFA is an interesting film just because of the “era” it was made: the height of anti-prequel sentiment. In some ways, the film is like a sequel to a fanfic version of the PT (or Disney’s ideas of a reboot PT), so it is kind of fun to watch the film as if a new/alt version of Anakin’s fall, the Republic’s decline, and the Clone Wars happened in its continuity but there’s no way this is a sequel (spiritual since 2005 or the same timeline) to George’s version of events that occurred in the PT we got. I would rank the ST TLJ > TRoS > TFA. Rian Johnson has always been positive towards all of Lucas' Star Wars, and never made the sort of offensive jokes that Abrams made during the promotion of TFA, so that alone makes me inclined to appreciate his effort more. I think there is also a lot of the prequels in TLJ in many subtle ways. It feels to me more holistically Star Wars than Abrams' films which ape the OT. But I also appreciate the prequel nods in TRoS, which there were surprisingly many. They may have come from Abrams, who was more accommodating to the PT this go around, or from Chris Terrio. But I think the ST failed as a whole because of the shoddy foundation laid out by TFA. Not only is it a clear jab at the prequels and its fans, it also failed its own trilogy by aping the OT too much, and thus creating empty "mystery boxes". This led to TLJ retconning TFA, and TRoS then retconning TLJ. They tried to course correct with every subsequent film, making the whole experience disjointed. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Oct 30, 2022 16:02:53 GMT
The second lesson was the Force Nun party? Yep. It's quite a weighty sequence. There's some obvious comedy there, bordering on camp, but there's also a serious outcome. Luke trolls Rey and then Rey turns the tables on Luke at the end. Both are significantly changed by the lesson. Rey storms off in an emotional huff (which then makes her more vulnerable to Kylo and sets up her going into the cave), while Luke decides to reconnect with the Force and learns that Leia is incapacitated after feeling guilty because Rey tore a strip out of him. The lesson also gives us Luke's strongest indictment of the Jedi. He clearly believes they denied passion in ways that were counter-productive -- instead of rebuking Rey for her impulsivity, he claims this is what the Jedi actually suppressed to their detriment. Rey, too, has more agency and character depth because of this sequence. We see her valiantly racing to help when she thinks the islanders are being attacked, much as she decides to bundle herself off to the First Order to save Kylo. It is also a sequence that borders on feeling complete, containing a very strong version of Rey's Theme as she runs to the neighbouring island, lightsaber drawn (which also gives the middle section of the film some welcome uplift). I know the excuse is always "pacing", but it's strange that it got cut, in my opinion. I think originally my main take away from that scene was that it had some humor that felt out of place, but rewatching it now, I think this would have been one of the best and most poignant scenes of the film. I think Luke is right though when he says that a true Jedi would not act in that instance, which is similar to Qui-Gon saying that "We cannot use our power to help her" to sway the Gungans. The Jedi did not interfere in the matters of the Naboo people in TPM, they had to let Padmé form the alliance between the two peoples. Also, the humor did not rub me the wrong way anymore. I now see it as similar to some of the deleted scenes from the prequels, like the extended podrace announcer sequence, which may seem self-indulgent but in an endearing way. Johnson might have gone too far in a few places, because there is some of that oddball humor left in the movie, but I think that only goes to make it the most Lucasian of the sequel trilogy. The caretakers are exactly in the same vein as Ewoks and Gungans, something that I think is missing in the Abrams entries. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 31, 2022 4:18:51 GMT
Yeah, JJ’s films are more egregious and offensive to me General Egregious Told you, I did. Reckless is J.J. Now, things are worse. "I haven't seen her in ten years, Master." |
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I knew TLJ is controversial, but I was compelled to make a thread on it because of my recent rewatch, which changed my perspective. Must not let fear guide you.
) TFA is an interesting film just because of the “era” it was made: the height of anti-prequel sentiment. In some ways, the film is like a sequel to a fanfic version of the PT (or Disney’s ideas of a reboot PT), so it is kind of fun to watch the film as if a new/alt version of Anakin’s fall, the Republic’s decline, and the Clone Wars happened in its continuity but there’s no way this is a sequel (spiritual since 2005 or the same timeline) to George’s version of events that occurred in the PT we got. 