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Post by Somny on Jul 15, 2020 1:14:19 GMT
I have no doubt the wait will've been worth it. I, for one, am stoked about it as AOTC is my favorite Star Wars film. And I plan on spreading the word about it where I can. AOTC is too often a kind of whipping boy for the prequels and the fight to ameliorate that is a more-than-deserving one.
We're rooting for ya, Cryo!
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Post by Cryogenic on Jul 15, 2020 5:55:12 GMT
It was suppose to come out in January! Here we are in the month of Julius Ceasar... Like I say, it was mostly complete by January, but I got thrown after the Christmas break and stopped working on it, except in dribs and drabs. "The Rise Of Skywalker" probably has a lot to do with it. My focus shifted and I lost my enthusiasm for the PT for a while. But remember... I also sent you a sample. I have no doubt the wait will've been worth it. I, for one, am stoked about it as AOTC is my favorite Star Wars film. And I plan on spreading the word about it where I can. AOTC is too often a kind of whipping boy for the prequels and the fight to ameliorate that is a more-than-deserving one. We're rooting for ya, Cryo!
Thank you, Somny. It's very long and pretty chunky, but I'm hoping every PT fan gets something out of it. At the end of the day, I fear it may be a tad over-indulgent. However, as you said, AOTC often comes in for drubbing, which makes a long defence necessary. The balance has needed redressing for many years.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 15, 2020 17:09:50 GMT
I suppose with the heat from the TROS debate dying down, you may just have a bigger platform now. There's not a lot going on, in terms of content or news, so you could be able to lure a few people in, hoping to rekindle their love of SW.
Ideally we would try to gain some audience for it on Reddit, and perhaps then it could snowball onto YouTube and a geek media outlet or two. But any audience a little larger than our forum would be terrific.
Happy writing, Cryo!
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Post by Cryogenic on Jul 15, 2020 17:57:25 GMT
I suppose with the heat from the TROS debate dying down, you may just have a bigger platform now. There's not a lot going on, in terms of content or news, so you could be able to lure a few people in, hoping to rekindle their love of SW. Yep. True. It's something to capitalise on. TROS hogged the conversation, but not for long, and now everything seems to be dying down. Star Wars discussion does seem to go in phases. Indeed. I'm not holding out for a big readership. That is unlikely to happen. My document is probably too involved to gain many readers. I'm under no illusions. These days, with so much content on the Internet, people pay most things little heed, especially if they can't be encapsulated in a soundbite.
Thanks. I didn't want to mention it again. I've missed several targets already. But I'm happy to report it's nearing completion now. I think I've learned to let go of a few hopes and anxieties, and I'll just release it pretty much as it's been written -- flawed/weird formatting and all.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 21, 2020 22:58:34 GMT
Anakin predicting the current state of political discourse. ~19 BBY
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jul 22, 2020 8:15:14 GMT
I was just going to post something with Dump saying "I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire." But wasn't sure how much we're wanting to engage/avoid politics.
(And don't forget we do have a politics thread).
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Post by Cryogenic on Jul 22, 2020 21:16:29 GMT
I was just going to post something with Dump saying "I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire." But wasn't sure how much we're wanting to engage/avoid politics. (And don't forget we do have a politics thread). I think Arch Duke was making a broader allusion. This video, which I alighted on the other day, while a tad dry, usefully touches on the deficiencies of monocultures and tribal thinking: Three criteria are identified for a knowledge-based consensus: - Consilience of Evidence ( 0:50) - Social Calibration ( 2:02) - Social Diversity ( 3:03) I have highlighted the relevant criterion. Note that this does not refer to diversity in exactly the same sense that it is commonly understood and employed by left-leaning ideologues. It's specifically the sub-part on groupthink that makes for a cogent explanation ( 3:50): I think that nicely sums it up. I found the video in the context of reading into the development of the heliocentric model of the universe and the factors that led to its acceptance and supplanting of geocentric models. The catalyst and fulcrum here would be Galileo's clash with, and eventual sentencing and silencing by, the Catholic Church in the early 17th Century. This was the page where I found the video: critical-angle.net/2016/08/22/on-and-against-method-and-process/Anyway, it amused me when I got to that part in the video, because I was easily reminded of the situation I have described with TFN over the past few years. The strange thing with humans is that we're not too smart when we surrender our individual selves to a wider set of group ideals -- which perhaps happens much more often than we realise or would like to admit. Even "smart" and "enlightened" majorities tend to bully, discard, or downplay minority groups, struggles, ideals, and concepts: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority Which could be considered problematic when you claim you're in favour of diversity, and that you allegdly don't suppress views and opinions that go against the grain or are critical of some pre-determined consensus.
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Post by mikeximus on Jul 23, 2020 5:55:58 GMT
Hey, everyone. Seems like no one's posted here in a while but I just wanted to say hi. I just got permabanned from the TFN boards for, in a nutshell, refusing to abide by a restriction against referring to Kylo Ren as, and I quote, a "character belonging to a Nazi/fascist-inspired organization." So it looks like I've finally joined what seems to be a very prestigious club. I’m a little late to the party, but, welcome TPM! Welcome to the island of misfit toys! So let me get this straight... you were banned for calling the First Order exactly what it was, or is the rule against telling the truth that Kylo was a member of such organization? What in the world is their thinking behind that weird rule? Were people trolling Reylo fans? Are there a bunch of Nazi Sympathizers on those boards they’re trying to protect? I don’t get it... Didn’t Abrams himself say the First Order was based off of an idea that the Nazis escaped to Brazil where they rebuilt themselves? It’s the fucking twilight zone... Anyway, welcome, hopefully I can post more than I have been, life just keeps sipping along here in my neck of the woods and there never seems to be enough hours in the day for me to take a break.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 23, 2020 11:56:04 GMT
Hey, everyone. Seems like no one's posted here in a while but I just wanted to say hi. I just got permabanned from the TFN boards for, in a nutshell, refusing to abide by a restriction against referring to Kylo Ren as, and I quote, a "character belonging to a Nazi/fascist-inspired organization." So it looks like I've finally joined what seems to be a very prestigious club. I’m a little late to the party, but, welcome TPM! Welcome to the island of misfit toys! So let me get this straight... you were banned for calling the First Order exactly what it was, or is the rule against telling the truth that Kylo was a member of such organization? What in the world is their thinking behind that weird rule? Were people trolling Reylo fans? Are there a bunch of Nazi Sympathizers on those boards they’re trying to protect? I don’t get it... Didn’t Abrams himself say the First Order was based off of an idea that the Nazis escaped to Brazil where they rebuilt themselves? It’s the fucking twilight zone... Anyway, welcome, hopefully I can post more than I have been, life just keeps sipping along here in my neck of the woods and there never seems to be enough hours in the day for me to take a break.
Yeah, I think it was more so Argentina, right? The Israelis sent their top secret Nazi hunters over there on a few occasions, I believe. Important to mention that the German presence in southern Brazil predates the Third Reich, much like the German monarchs of England do (Their current name "Windsor" is a name-change following anti-German sentiment).
If the Nazi Empire did survive, and without any of those major conquests, and let's say Hitler was replaced, dialled the genocide talk down a bit, learned the peacefully coexist with democratic nations, it would probably look something like China does right now.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 24, 2020 17:25:52 GMT
Welcome tl07, we hope you enjoy your stay!
I'd like to encourage you, and indeed several other users ( Subtext Mining, jppiper, vaccumboots etc) who haven't yet set their own new avatar. Come on guys, give it a try, it helps bring the forum to life! The default ones are poor.
It only takes a few clicks: Profile -> Edit Profile -> Upload/Link (here you choose between one in your images folder, or one stored on a website of your choice)
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Post by Cryogenic on Jul 27, 2020 23:42:12 GMT
Welcome to all new members! Do make yourselves at home. Sorry this thread has kinda become Grand Central Anti-TFN Station, but I've started, so I'll finish... Hey, everyone. Seems like no one's posted here in a while but I just wanted to say hi. I just got permabanned from the TFN boards for, in a nutshell, refusing to abide by a restriction against referring to Kylo Ren as, and I quote, a "character belonging to a Nazi/fascist-inspired organization." So it looks like I've finally joined what seems to be a very prestigious club. I’m a little late to the party, but, welcome TPM! Welcome to the island of misfit toys! So let me get this straight... you were banned for calling the First Order exactly what it was, or is the rule against telling the truth that Kylo was a member of such organization? What in the world is their thinking behind that weird rule? Were people trolling Reylo fans? Are there a bunch of Nazi Sympathizers on those boards they’re trying to protect? I don’t get it... Didn’t Abrams himself say the First Order was based off of an idea that the Nazis escaped to Brazil where they rebuilt themselves? It’s the fucking twilight zone... Anyway, welcome, hopefully I can post more than I have been, life just keeps sipping along here in my neck of the woods and there never seems to be enough hours in the day for me to take a break. Good speech here from Rowan Atkinson speaking in 2012 (yes, sadly -- this was already recognised as a problem eight years ago), on the growth of authoritarian attitudes toward free speech, which has resulted in the so-called "cancel culture" we now have online. I think it contains part of the answer -- calling a character a Nazi or a fascist is evidently construed as insult; so in order that Kylo fans don't have their feelings hurt, people using such terms must be told to stop, and if they refuse, they are to be silenced: Just like the mods on TFN. They're not "intolerant". They are merely "intolerant of intolerance". And if you get banned: remember, says one of these mods who is merely intolerant of intolerance, it's your fault:
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 29, 2020 15:07:58 GMT
@cryo Please Publish it i would like to read it Thank you, Joe. It's coming up very shortly! Early Xmas present for all PT/Naberrie Fields fans!
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Post by Somny on Jul 30, 2020 5:25:48 GMT
Patience! For the Jedi it is time to eat as well.
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Post by Ingram on Jul 30, 2020 5:42:26 GMT
Patience! For the Jedi it is time to eat as well. What a great composition of "strange eyes".
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Post by Somny on Aug 3, 2020 21:13:18 GMT
Thanks (insofar as I can take credit for that)! But I never half-ass image selections. Visual art is my religion.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 26, 2020 12:42:24 GMT
Any of you guys interested in discussing Petr Harmy and his "despecialized" version (ie reverse engineering) of the Original Trilogy? Will set up a thread if people have a lot to say.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Nov 16, 2020 22:47:49 GMT
Cryogenic Any update on your treatise on Episode II - Attack of the Clones for us?
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 17, 2020 1:36:20 GMT
Cryogenic Any update on your treatise on Episode II - Attack of the Clones for us? I was hoping to drop it out on the one-year "anniversary" of the original article, which will be in a few days (November 20th). If I miss that date, I'm hoping for two days later, because that is also a mirrored date (fitting the clone/"II" aspect of the film).
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Nov 17, 2020 21:44:14 GMT
Boy, have you guys created such an energetic discussion! I speak hear because it wouldn't be fair on me to do so there - to barge in - without reading all the recent contributions. And there's just so much material that I feel almost intimated by it. Where to start reading? What to cut out - what isn't relevant? Is skimming reasonable? Is the debate on Lucas' involvement in the Clone Wars not worth its own thread? Or am I just being lazy? Oh, the joys of being a lurker!
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Post by Cryogenic on Nov 18, 2020 4:49:36 GMT
Boy, have you guys created such an energetic discussion! I speak hear because it wouldn't be fair on me to do so there - to barge in - without reading all the recent contributions. And there's just so much material that I feel almost intimated by it. Where to start reading? What to cut out - what isn't relevant? Is skimming reasonable? Is the debate on Lucas' involvement in the Clone Wars not worth its own thread? Or am I just being lazy? Oh, the joys of being a lurker!
I understand your bemusement. A few days ago, it was three pages (tracing all the way back to December 2019), and now it's already at six. Here's a quick(-ish!!!) summary of the past few days: Reply #60 - Nov 12, 2020 at 2:08am (Cryogenic)Contains brand-new quotes (from Lucas) about his sequel trilogy ideas, derived from a new book, The Star Wars: Archives (Prequel Edition), by Paul Duncan. I pulled the quotes from this page. You appear to have read (or liked) that post already. That's the post that brought the thread roaring back to life. Reply #80 - Nov 14, 2020 at 12:11pm (mikeximus)Side discussion on canonicity of The Clone Wars begins roughly here. More significant TCW canonicity posts: Reply #89 - Nov 16, 2020 at 4:14am (mikeximus)Reply #91 - Nov 16, 2020 at 3:25pm (mikeximus)Reply #92 - Nov 16, 2020 at 5:41pm (Alexrd)Reply #93 - Nov 16, 2020 at 7:11pm (mikeximus)
Then some mopping up: Reply #94 - Nov 16, 2020 at 7:39pm (mikeximus) Reply #95 - Nov 16, 2020 at 8:19pm (Alexrd) Reply #98 - Nov 16, 2020 at 9:35pm (mikeximus)Final round: Reply #100 - Nov 16, 2020 at 11:29pm (Alexrd)Reply #101 - Nov 17, 2020 at 12:49am (mikeximus)
But back to the main topic: Lucas' Sequel Trilogy and evidence/speculation to that end: Discussion about Vader's grandkids: Reply #67 - Nov 12, 2020 at 8:18pm (Cryogenic)Reply #69 - Nov 12, 2020 at 10:37pm (Cryogenic)Commenting on Lucas' idea of having Maul as the main villain: Reply #74 - Nov 13, 2020 at 4:22pm (thephantomcalamari)Reply #75 - Nov 13, 2020 at 6:33pm (Alexrd)Reply #78 - Nov 14, 2020 at 12:40am (Cryogenic)Discussion about early concept art for Luke and trying to pin down when Lucas' treatments were dropped: Reply #80 - Nov 14, 2020 at 12:11pm (mikeximus)Reply #83 - Nov 14, 2020 at 6:01pm (mikeximus)Reply #88 - Nov 15, 2020 at 2:50am (Cryogenic)Reply #103 - Nov 17, 2020 at 2:08am (mikeximus)Reply #105 - Nov 17, 2020 at 4:52am (Cryogenic) (currently the last reply in the thread) A couple more trinkets to discover. Interwoven with those main branches, there is also: TCW and canonicity debate:- some discussion on Sifo-Dyas and the clones vs. stormtroopers (are they recruits?) issue. Lucas' ST and previous SW material:- a little bit of discussion on Shadows Of The Empire and how that ties into Lucas' sequel ideas. Hope that gives a reasonable overview.
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