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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 31, 2020 16:57:11 GMT
It's recently been announced that the next animation project at Lucasfilm will be based around the group of elite Clone troopers introduced in the first arc of TCW's season 7. It will follow them in the "immediate aftermath" of the war.
What are you guy's thoughts?
My own reaction is much like it was for the Casian Endor series: perplexed. It seems like there is a willingness to keep engaging with the beloved world of The Clone Wars within the studio (which is great for once), but why do it via the Bad Batch? The episodes they were in weren't bad, but it's not like they stood out hugely either. It all strikes me as odd - real odd. Did it ever occur to them that they could simply continue with The Clone Wars? We were supposed to get several more seasons before it was dramatically cancelled, after all.
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Post by Somny on Jul 31, 2020 19:11:59 GMT
From a convention panel a few years ago, I learned from a rather humorous Filoni anecdote that one of the head writers on TCW was OBSESSED with the Bad Batch and constantly fought for greater inclusion of them in the series. I have no doubt he had a major hand in these plans.
I'm also sure that many of the ideas from unproduced TCW episodes will finally see the light of day as part of this new series. A stealth TCW revival, if you will.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 31, 2020 20:35:24 GMT
From a convention panel a few years ago, I learned from a rather humorous Filoni anecdote that one of the head writers on The Clone Wars was OBSESSED with the Bad Batch and constantly fought for their inclusion in the series. I have no doubt that many of the remaining ideas for The Clone Wars seasons that never were will finally see the light of day as part of this new series. A stealth The Clone Wars revival, if you will.
Intriguing anecdote. That could be the case.
But it can't truly be The Clone Wars if its set in its aftermath, with all the numerous, wide-ranging transformations that occur during ROTS. You just can't replicate all the tension, scheming and of course, brotherhood, that lies in that most fertile period between II and III. Rebels had a go at it, as we all know, but it fell very short in my own opinion.
Perhaps The Bad Batch will benefit from being set much closer to ROTS than ANH. It worked well for the video game Jedi: Fallen Order, with all its flashbacks and recycling of TCW themes, did it not? I suppose we'll see in time.
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Post by Somny on Jul 31, 2020 22:52:27 GMT
Well put about the nature of the Clone Wars. I suppose they can't transpose too many elements without losing those particularly endearing aspects but I guess I'm just harkening back to Lucas' (and no doubt Filoni's) tendency to recycle old concepts when they can.
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Post by Somny on Dec 11, 2020 0:05:35 GMT
This just dropped!  |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Dec 13, 2020 4:00:20 GMT
Perhaps The Bad Batch will benefit from being set much closer to ROTS than ANH. It worked well for the video game Jedi: Fallen Order, with all its flashbacks and recycling of TCW themes, did it not? I suppose we'll see in time.
Well, it looks like the new trailer has confirmed my hopeful hunch, Somny . I didn't think it would overlap with ROTS, but it seems evident now that it will show the Bad Batch's reaction to the Proclamation of Empire at the very least. Who knows what else we'll get?
This series is indeed promising to be sizzling.
But I can't help but wonder why they wouldn't want to animate more storylines from the Clone Wars. If they can spare all the money for these numerous new live-action shows, why not? We got barely any Anakin and Obi-Wan!
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Post by Somny on Dec 13, 2020 8:54:36 GMT
I love how they incorporate Ian McDiarmid's performance of that proclamation. Chilling!
But I can't help but wonder why they wouldn't want to animate more storylines from the Clone Wars. If they can spare all the money for these numerous new live-action shows, why not? We got barely any Anakin and Obi-Wan!
Filoni and company's love for TCW and what they weren't able to realize before the Disney sale runs deep. Many interviews suggest as much. There's no way they're not going to pull from such a reservoir of unused TCW concepts and storylines for a series in as close narrative and stylistic proximity to that earlier series as this one. I'd bet quite a bit on that. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Dec 14, 2020 1:51:23 GMT
I love how they incorporate Ian McDiarmid's performance of that proclamation. Chilling! Yeah, it really stands out, doesn't it? It feels like they yanked the audio up on that one. I don't remember it being so loud and brash in the film itself - the scene relied as much on the visual (raised hands to the heavens) as it did the chilling details being bellowed McDiarmid.
Palpatine's proclamation speech is well worth a thread of its own. It's the moment when the character finally lets go of his learned, charismatic and civilian facade that he has meticulously attended to for years, and reveals to an astoundingly gullible audience the extravagant, cartoonish and very unsubtle emperor we know and love from the Original Trilogy. And yet it's this same transformation - with its implicit exorbitant level of complacently - coupled with his inability to fully veil what's happened to the Republic, that ultimately comes back to bite him on the Death Star.
Filoni and company's love for TCW and what they weren't able to realize before the Disney sale runs deep. Many interviews suggest as much. There's no way they're not going to pull from such a reservoir of unused TCW concepts and storylines for a series in as close narrative and stylistic proximity to that earlier series as this one. I'd bet quite a bit on that.
I don't, and never have, believed in Rebels as a legitimate sequel to TCW. It is simply set too far in the future, in an entirely new political context. The Bat Batch looks set to be a real successor: animation style, time-frame, tone, even the resemblance of the logos. I may be proved wrong though, the whole Disney announcement that encompasses it could well be a masterstroke of bait-and-switch, but we're looking good as of right now. |
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Post by Anthony on May 4, 2021 23:18:50 GMT
I really liked that first episode. The concept works well. Interesting depiction of the immediate post-Clone Wars era. (and I always love to see Kamino)
You all should take a look at it, it's comprehensible even if you didn't watch The Clone Wars
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Post by smittysgelato on May 6, 2021 0:32:55 GMT
I was pleased with the first episode as well. The Final Season of Clone Wars felt incomplete without dealing with the immediate aftermath of the Rise of the Empire. AND it is always such a joy to see battle droids again. I miss those goofballs.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 19, 2021 17:24:17 GMT
So far my impression of this show is that it didn't need to be 16 episodes. The first episode is great, but most of the story happens in that episode and then the rest so far has been very mission of the week. I'm wondering if I am going to have to wait for the finale before this show gets to the point. Hahaha.
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Post by mikeximus on Jun 26, 2021 6:11:15 GMT
So far my impression of this show is that it didn't need to be 16 episodes. The first episode is great, but most of the story happens in that episode and then the rest so far has been very mission of the week. I'm wondering if I am going to have to wait for the finale before this show gets to the point. Hahaha. I’m really struggling with the show, so much so that I stopped at episode 5 I think it was. Way to much in terms of filler content and not enough moving the actual plot forward. Not that there was much plot anyway. I’m just not feeling a connection to the characters, to the point where Omega is just downright unlikeable for me. Obviously though she’s gonna be revealed to be something extraordinary or something that will be a huge moral dilemma for bad batch, like she too has the inhibitor chip and will follow orders like all good soldiers. Filoni and company went back to the well of rough warriors taking on young child way too soon after Mandalorian. That setup, while a commonly used (sometimes overly used) trope, worked for Mandalorian for most people, it’s not having the same result here for me. Like Rebels, which i was able to hang in there for a little longer, i don’t see myself watching this show longterm. |
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 26, 2021 20:18:25 GMT
The last two episodes have actually gotten back to the main plot, and therefore, my interest in the show is renewed. There is also a favourite character of mine that made an appearance.  That helped ALOT. |
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Post by Somny on Aug 9, 2021 3:18:54 GMT
The last two episodes (S01E14 and S01E15) have had some wonderful and extensive callbacks to ANH and AOTC. Familiar music and visuals. To experience them nearly side-by-side is a beautiful homage to the Lucas-era.
One more episode before the season is out!
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 9, 2021 4:43:33 GMT
The last two episodes (S01E14 and S01E15) have had some wonderful and extensive callbacks to ANH and AOTC. Familiar music and visuals. To experience them nearly side-by-side is a beautiful homage to the Lucas-era.
One more episode before the season is out!
And that one part at the end of Episode 15 was...a blade in the heart. In a good way. |
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Post by Somny on Aug 9, 2021 14:22:21 GMT
The last two episodes (S01E14 and S01E15) have had some wonderful and extensive callbacks to ANH and AOTC. Familiar music and visuals. To experience them nearly side-by-side is a beautiful homage to the Lucas-era.
One more episode before the season is out!
And that one part at the end of Episode 15 was...a blade in the heart. In a good way.
Metaphorical. And those three still shots from inside Tipoca City at the end of the episode were stunning! One of the best moments the series has had to offer.
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 9, 2021 15:52:55 GMT
Yeah, those still shots felt like something Ozu would do in his films (I LOVE Ozu).
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Post by Somny on Aug 9, 2021 15:58:04 GMT
Yeah, those still shots felt like something Ozu would do in his films (I LOVE Ozu).
Heh. I love Ozu as well. |
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Post by Somny on Aug 13, 2021 1:45:22 GMT
Season finale drops tonight at 3am EST!
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Post by Somny on Aug 13, 2021 22:08:49 GMT
I didn't find the season closer as impactful as the penultimate episode but a competent episode in an all-around competent series. I'll definitely give the second season a whirl.
Additionally, there's so much formal beauty to admire even if the stories tend to get a bit repetitive. I mean, how many reconnaissance and infiltration missions can you write before it all gets rather tiresome? Still, the deftness of the visual direction certainly makes up for it in my book.
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That helped ALOT.