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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Apr 10, 2020 22:26:48 GMT
Hello there!
I was watching a video interview with Ahmed Best earlier and I thought to myself "Where's the dedicated Jar Jar thread on the forum?". And so here we are!
Please feel free to share any of your thoughts on the character and/or the actor who played him. If, however, you're purely focused on dissecting critiques of Jar Jar, then I'd suggest placing that in the "debunking anti-PT".
Essays and theories on JJB all welcome!
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Post by Somny on Apr 11, 2020 4:22:05 GMT
I've defended this peculiar, gangly Gungan against the feckless minds of friends, family and even strangers on innumerable occasions since the early 2000s. I will never lay down this sword.
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Post by Moonshield on Apr 11, 2020 5:07:46 GMT
I have no problem with Jar Jar. For me, he is an example for children what they shouldn't do, compared with the smart Anakin. When I've watched the scene at the table, I remembered how my father taught me good table manners.))
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Post by Somny on Apr 11, 2020 5:21:30 GMT
He's also "the key to all of this." Haven't ya heard? I relate so strongly to him because I, myself am a clumsy weirdo more often than not who's never really fit in anywhere. But at the same time, I can turn my general act on and lead collaborators on elaborate film productions. But when those are through, it's back to crashen der bosses heyblibber. Oh, boi...
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Post by Cryogenic on Apr 14, 2020 16:22:55 GMT
Reflecting, you say??? You know... I love this crazy, erratic Gungan. I'm so much like Jar Jar, it's unbelievable! Yes, yes. I'm Kylo. I'm also Jar Jar. Ask the universe, don't ask me. I've also written a lot about our good friend Jar Jar over the years. It's fun, but also a little exhausting to keep going back to the well of inspiration. Jar Jar is a brilliantly realised character with awesome storytelling utility. Far beyond the one or two dimensions that most fans perceive. But, of course, as a certain Jedi Master said: Your focus determines your reality... I just love how there's a bright orange light in that control box above Shmi's head, while there's a big orange door drooping down around/haloing Qui-Gon. While Jar Jar, incidentally, looks a bit more red/brown in this particular shot. To grok the orange of the owner, you gotta catch him just right. Pyrogenic shared this particular thought with me last night. Not because of this thread, but I don't think he'd mind me sharing it: He's like a servitor psychic spirit animal projection of Qui-Gon Jinn. Or as I more crudely put it in response: He's a midi-chlorian animal spirit factory. What is Jar Jar? He's a swirling nexus of contradictions! The libido unsheafed. A computer-assisted, hotrodded manifestation of Id. There's much more to Jar Jar than meets the eye. And there's a lot that meets the eye. Ooh la la. But that's just the thing. Star Wars is populated by strange creatures, spirits, textures, and guides. Jar Jar is practically the apotheosis of that as a concept. Also a salamander tribute/comedy rival to droids R2-D2 and C-3PO. The triune comedy godhead unit of the Star Wars saga. This one actually has some mileage to it. Ahmed Best, Anthony Daniels, and Kenny Baker share a title card in the end credits of Episode I. 20,000 dataries. Jar Jar is the droid dyad's physicalness made digital. Although, he has some physicality, just as they have some digitality (especially when you add in Episodes II and III). Yin and yang within a "three's a crowd" motif. Gorgeous and brilliant. Comedy rules the universe. Duh! Just one of a myriad of motifs that inconsiderate, boorish fans have failed to understand within the cosmic pleroma of Star Wars. Jar Jar is also made a "representative" by Padme Amidala -- perhaps *the* main character of the PT -- toward the beginning of the middle; or the end of the beginning? He's the "key" that unlocks the grand plan (grand army) of Palpatine's Galactic Empire. And he doesn't even know it. But some people now allege that Jar Jar was "in on it" all along. I don't know. I think Palpatine took some of that unresolved sexual energy that was just kicking about, in "representative" form, and poured it into his imperial mould. Like carbonite filling a block. That which isn't used one way, will be used another. Jar Jar undoubtedly plays a variety of "marker/milestone" roles throughout the PT. Even his relative absence in the other trilogy(ies) speaks volumes. Everything you might want to say about Jar Jar has already been anticipated. Try to kick Jar Jar, to injure him, or knock some pixels out, and it doesn't work. Like that pit droid in Watto's shop. Just a thunk sound. Even when you bring lasers and big machines, Jar Jar dodges -- doesn't even suffer a scratch. What *is* this guy? Who is he? Notice how he appears in Qui-Gon's path minutes after he arrives on Naboo. "Be mindful of the Living Force." Yeah, be mindful of it, Qui-Gon. Wait: "My young padawan." So Qui-Gon is speaking to the youthful learner within himself, still trying to break out and have encounters with the stuff of the world. The one who wants to take control, or block his way, if only to remind him there's more to life than humdrum political disputes. Jar Jar, you might say, is a cleansing force. Annoying? Only if every part of nature annoys you and you want to construct a false reality. Jar Jar might even help you there. He is a virtual manifestation, after all. What I'm saying (I think) is that Jar Jar is basically everything you want him to be. He is bendable. He's not even really "there" (as such). Gungan Force Projection. You know that's a cool concept. Or Qui-Gon projecting his own "living force-y-nss" onto the screen. Gotta watch these Jedi with green sabers. Especially green/blue combos. They're liable to go into projection mode. Nute and Rune may be dumb, but they get it: "Use caution. These Jedi are not to be underestimated." Early warning. Jar Jar unites the Gungans and the Naboo under their auspices. "And we cannot use our power to help her." That's alright. Just keep your Jar Jar projection going. Luke seeing Jar Jar through R2's projector lamp: "Who is he? He's annoying." Just kidding. Elemental properties. Lucas is the Jedi Master at controlling and elucidating them. Basically, in Star Wars, everyone has a role to play, and there's perhaps no more beautiful tribute to that as an operating concept than Jar Jar himself (herself/itself). Even Rose, a variation on that concept in "The Last Jedi", has been (knee-jerk-reaction-like) compared to Jar Jar -- that's the referent. Sorry. I almost got to the end of this without mentioning the sequels. But remember what GL said: "Jar Jar is the key to all this." I've defended this peculiar, gangly Gungan against the feckless minds of friends, family and even strangers on innumerable occasions since the early 2000s. I will never lay down this sword. I feel like you should be decorated with a Purple Heart. Good on you. I also feel like everyone needs to read this essay: www.forcecast.net/story/blog/The_Case_For_Jar_Jar_134218.asp(The author's name is redacted for some reason, but it's Paul F. McDonald, the author of this fantastic book).
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Post by Subtext Mining on Sept 7, 2020 11:09:06 GMT
A central theme in Episode I is helping others. In an interview I was listening to, Lucas talks about his early days in film and how he and his filmmaker friends banded together in order to make it in the film industry, and help each other succeed. He then adds this: "One of the basic motifs of fairy tales is that you find the poor unfortunate along the side of the road and when they beg for help, if you give it to them you end up succeeding - if you don't give it to them you end up being turned into a frog or something. So... It's a concept that's been around for thousands of years, and it's even more necessary today when people are much more into their own engrandizement than they are into helping other people." This of course brings to mind the meeting of Jar Jar by Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. And how if they hadn't ran into him, or listened to him, or decided to help him so he could help them, none of the rest of Star Wars would've happened. (Just gotta love this playfully taunting, Lampwick-esque interaction between Obi-Wan and Jar Jar). This also carries forward into Queen Amidala extending a reconciliatory hand to the Gungans after Jar Jar offered a helpful suggestion to Naboo's predicament. And then the Gungans in turn helping to push back against the Trade Federation and liberate the planet.
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Post by jtn90 on Sept 8, 2020 10:11:12 GMT
I never had a problem with Jar Jar,and considering everything he does,he is a theme that is also present in The Lord of The Rings,wich is that no one is worthless as much as they seems to be.
Also,so he is a reason of why The Phantom menace is "childish" so what?,I always thought that Episode I being more lighthearted makes Epsiode III more tragic.
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Post by tpf1138 on Sept 10, 2020 12:58:41 GMT
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Post by Somny on Sept 12, 2020 0:30:33 GMT
One of the coolest things I ever read about Jar Jar was a description of a deleted but filmed scene from ROTS where Palpatine essentially reveals to Jar Jar his true identity and his whole sinister plan! It has echoes of my absolute favorite TCW episode (from 'The Lost Missions'). I would kill hit someone really hard to see this scene see the light of day in any form. It's so bizarre but so bug nuts Lucasian.
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Post by Somny on Nov 23, 2020 23:28:31 GMT
Last night, I was passively gazing around my immediate surroundings and found myself lingering on my Threepio and Artoo standee (I won it in a trivia contest a few years ago). I thought of Threepio's oft-repeated insistence of himself as a droid programmed for etiquette and protocol. Clear communication and propriety are the essence of this character. Upright, prim and proper. As I mulled over those qualities, I couldn't help but think about how Jar Jar is the complete opposite of Threepio in that regard. While both being tall, warm-colored and having their own distinctive gait, it's fascinating how their antics provide fairly equal comic relief despite their diametrically opposed personalities. I also thought about early concept art for TPM which initially had Jar Jar paired with a stout, dog-like companion. Ultimately, however, that companion idea was scrapped. But it seemed that such a duo would have served as an organic inversion of Threepio and Artoo.
Anyway, just some thoughts that may partly suggest the basis for the why of Jar Jar. Lucas playing with opposites, it seems.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 17, 2021 0:48:35 GMT
Last year I was rewatching the Kurosawa classic, Seven Samurai. The parallels between Toshiro Mifune's character Kikuchiyo and Jar Jar are multiple. Both are rejected fools. Jar Jar is banished for being clumsy, while Kikuchiyo fails to pass a test of his reflexes because he is stumbling around like a clutz due to having one too many drinks. However, both Jar Jar and Kikuchiyo refuse to go away, following the heroes like stray dogs. Ultimately both play key roles in the final battle. Furthermore, Kikuchiyo is a former farmer who disguises himself as a Samurai, while Jar Jar Binks disguises himself as a Jedi in The Clone Wars episode, "Bombad Jedi." As Cryo says in Reply #4: "What I'm saying (I think) is that Jar Jar is basically everything you want him to be. He is bendable." Bendable indeed! Kikuchiyo and Jar Jar are basically shapeshifters. In the final battle, Kikuchiyo goes behind enemy lines and disguises himself yet again, but this time as a bandit to wreak havoc on the enemy ranks. Jar Jar is named Bombad General, a role he is ill-equipped for, but manages to rise to the occasion anyway. Shapeshifting at its best. He doesn't even know he is doing it. It just comes naturally. Jar Jar and Kikuchiyo's mercurial qualities don't stop with shapeshifting. As Cryo notes (Cryo has a way with words so I just have to keep referring to his posts), "Jar Jar unites the Gungans and the Naboo under their auspices." This is exactly what Mercurius does in alchemy, he is that which unites above and below. Jar Jar is a native of Otoh Gunga, but like one of those frogs from a fairy tale that Lucas mentions in that quotation that Subtext Mining shared with us, he goes on an adventure and interacts with the surface dwellers. A creature of two worlds. An ambassador for his people. Like Kikuchiyo, who helps the samurai to understand and empathize with the farmers, because he is both a farmer and a samurai. In alchemy, Mercurius is the philosopher's stone. All this business with Jar Jar is an elaboration on Psalm 118:22: "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone."
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 17, 2021 11:05:34 GMT
I've always liked Jar Jar. I enjoyed him when I was younger and I still do. His design and world have always fascinated me, and I thought it was cool how he could jump so high (I loved that ability in Lego Star Wars). A duck-billed amphibian with rabbit-like ears that comes from a society of underwater bubble cities. And he's still funny to me. The moment when he goes "Who, mesa?" and Sebulba strangles him always gets a chuckle out of me. Poor Jar Jar, but good slapstick.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jun 20, 2021 20:23:05 GMT
A longo time ago Cryo put together a nice post at TFN about how Anakin and Jar Jar form a yin-yang. And I'd add that here we see Anakin focusing on the negative while Jar Jar is focusing on the positive.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 20, 2021 20:28:18 GMT
A longo time ago Cryo put together a nice post at TFN about how Anakin and Jar Jar form a yin-yang. I did? When was that?
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jun 20, 2021 20:49:15 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 20, 2021 20:54:59 GMT
Ah, that one! "My forgotten." Yeah, that was a pretty good post, wasn't it? Jar Jar and Anakin -- both getting abused or failing more times than seems decent.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Sept 24, 2021 11:15:10 GMT
Ahmed Best from Episode I Story Featurette: "There's never been a real comic character in any of the Star Wars movies, like just outright comic. The character of Jar Jar, he was banished from his world because he was clumsy. He just didn't fit in with the other Gungans of his world. And I think everybody remembers when they were that kid who just didn't fit in, and I know when I was that kid who didn't fit in to any group. I think all of those kids and all of those, ya know, people who feel like they don't fit in will identify with Jar Jar. He wants to fit in, and he wants to be with everybody else, and he wants to be good but he just can't help it, he's just... he's just clumsy. You relate to the world, even though these are different creatures and different people, you know, something about it that makes you relate to it, something about it makes you feel for the characters." Yep. And so it would seem the people who didn't relate to Jar Jar are either in denial or never experienced being a misfit. And the latter people who hated on Jar Jar, I ask; is that how you treat people like him in real life? Ani and Jar Jar are the avatars of innocence and exuberance, they're representations of the good that was still left in Anakin. Ironic that they are the ones who got the most hate and became the SW community whipping boys.
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Post by tonyg on Sept 25, 2021 21:22:59 GMT
While he is supposed to play the role of the "fool", Jar Jar is very intuitive and in a way feel the essence of the things. His first appearance is around Qui Gon: very wise move while not deliberately made because Qui Gon is the protector who is able to help him (more than once). Just imagine that the first encounter of Jar Jar would be with Obi Wan. At this point Obi Wan is still incapable to recognize why the "pathetic life forms" have their importance. Later, "the fool" Jar Jar notices beyond the heavy makeup that the queen is sad. Being "plain and simple" he just offers her his sympathy. If he knew the court etiquette, he would never approach her. Also he immediately understands one of the reasons why the Naboo people and the Gungan don't have much love between them. So again the motif of naivete that has nothing to do with foolishness is presented in a very subtle way in Jar Jar's character.
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Post by natalie on Oct 17, 2021 20:28:56 GMT
I can't say I'm a big Jar Jar fan but I never minded him. I think he was just an easy target for the anti PT backlash. I suppose it could've been avoided if he talked normally and wasn't present on Tatooine. After all, there was no functional reason for him to be there. I see why Lucas wanted some comic relief during more "boring" scenes but he could've used R2 for that. This is where George got a bit too exuberant with the vfx innovation, perhaps. However, I'm wondering what the original arc for the character was. I doubt the "Darth Jar Jar" theory but it's totally possible he wasn't as clumsy as it appears.
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Post by Cryogenic on Oct 17, 2021 22:31:04 GMT
I can't say I'm a big Jar Jar fan but I never minded him. I think he was just an easy target for the anti PT backlash. I suppose it could've been avoided if he talked normally and wasn't present on Tatooine. After all, there was no functional reason for him to be there. I see why Lucas wanted some comic relief during more "boring" scenes but he could've used R2 for that. This is where George got a bit too exuberant with the vfx innovation, perhaps. But exuberance is practically Jar Jar and Star Wars' middle name. Remember, too, that they originally used a $100,000 suit. Ahmed Best, coming from the lively stage production "Stomp", supplied Jar Jar's awesome physicality and was hired to perform and embody virtually all of Jar Jar's actions. Only later, much to Lucas' chagrin, as shown in "The Beginning", did they realise Jar Jar's body could be achieved with CG technology as effectively as his face. At that point, many of Ahmed's mannerisms turned into reference material for the animation crew; and Ahmed himself, though still supplying Jar Jar's incredibly memorable voice, effectively "disappeared" from much of the film (in some shots, however, the suit can still be seen). Although I don't wish to deny your hypothesis with the above. It's true that Lucas did very much amp up the extremes of Jar Jar's character as he went along, I think. In the rough draft screenplay, for instance, Jar Jar was a much more reserved character: not as clumsy and he spoke more normally. Somewhere along the way, it seems Lucas decided he was dealing with an out-and-out "funny character", and it was now possible to achieve the dream of a lively alien guide with an uncannily "jarring" quality -- someone who barely follows the laws of physics, let alone the hermetic norms of the reserved human characters who grudgingly take him under their wing (further underlined by Jar Jar having been banished for supposed acts of clumsiness by his own society). Maybe TPM became a bit more childish and slightly schizophrenic as Lucas embraced the technology he was using to bring his vision to life -- but why not, eh? That aspect was always there a bit (if somewhat more understated in the OT), and perhaps Lucas saw an opportunity to evoke a striking contrast with the upcoming end of the Prequel Trilogy (the PT starts in "heaven" and ends in "hell"), as well as creating a concentric circle (circles are a big motif in TPM) with ROTJ. When Obi-Wan tells Luke in the original film that the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, "before the dark times, before the Empire", he could be referring to the more innocent epoch shown in TPM. This was when his own Jedi Master was still alive and Obi-Wan remained under his protection. This was also a time when a lowly creature like Jar Jar could be swept up in an epic adventure -- because Obi-Wan's master saw value in Jar Jar where Obi-Wan, at the time, did not (and he was presumably being nostalgic about it in old age). After all, as an ailing man living in hiding from the Empire, no longer able to hop around the universe as he once did ("I'm getting too old for this sort of thing"), maybe Obi-Wan wished he could return to simpler times where his biggest worry was trying to win his master's approval, and telling an orange amphibian to stay out of trouble in the cargo hold of a queen's ship. Which goes to the essence of Jar Jar's character: Yes, creatures and situations may annoy you at the time, but you'll often miss them when they're gone. Notice how colourful Jar Jar is. Beautiful, like a fluffy cat, you might say. Such outward signs of beauty are a kind of epidermal metaphor for how such creatures adorn our lives and bring us that bit closer to the workings of the Force and God himself. Small measures of grace, you might say. Well, you could argue that Jar Jar exaggerates his clumsiness as some kind of "reverse psychology" survival tactic. Perhaps he thinks people will go easier on him if they perceive him to be a total nitwit. But then, on the other hand, I think there's something innately special about Jar Jar. He probably really can't help being the way he is (as Ahmed says in the quote given by Subtext Mining). I like the idea that Episode I is unique among the Star Wars movies because it shows us what was possible before the Sith took over and polluted everything. The fact that Jar Jar feels like he is everywhere and then suddenly nowhere is one of the PT's most poignant statements, in my opinion.
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