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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 4, 2021 0:29:19 GMT
When I saw AOTC for the first time, the theatre was so packed that I had to sit in just about the front row. So I watched the movie from pretty much the same angle that little Boba is sitting in when taking shots at Obi-Wan. Quite the experience. Star Wars completely up in my face. I LOVED IT.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 4, 2021 1:43:50 GMT
When I saw AOTC for the first time, the theatre was so packed that I had to sit in just about the front row. So I watched the movie from pretty much the same angle that little Boba is sitting in when taking shots at Obi-Wan. Quite the experience. Star Wars completely up in my face. I LOVED IT. That's basically how I saw the original film on its "Special Edition" release in 1997 in the UK. It was my first time seeing Star Wars on the big screen.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 4, 2021 14:19:08 GMT
I hope this doesn't bloat the thread or take things too off-topic, but I want to roll back to Ingram's Episode I post. I didn't adequately address it earlier. My annual viewing continues. Where last week I dished some material for the OT thread I now find myself back here, having commenced my 2nd week with the Prequels. I almost considered skipping these given how much has been extrapolated already with a thread now 5 pages strong. Almost. I still think there's some trinkets and curiosities to consider. Today, The Phantom Menace... Aren't there always trinkets and curiosities to consider? The prequels are the movies that keep on giving. This thread could easily be 500 pages long and we'd still have barely scratched the surface. Notice that the top of the image makes an angry face. Maybe it's also Lucas making an early point (Nute on the viewscreen) that cinema is superior to television. There also seems to be a Jurassic Park influence at work: starwarsverses.tumblr.com/post/47228989553/objects-in-mirror-may-be-closer-than-they-appearWonderful film lighting there. The grey-blue tones of the opening sequence also make for a cool, relaxed sci-fi opening. Look at the background and the etchings on the crate. Both are a touch Mondrian. Anyway, yes: Neeson looks fantastic in this movie -- as warm, heroic, and mystical as Natalie Portman is beautiful. The camera definitely loves his face. That's one of the joys of Episode I: TPM captures him at that neat penumbra between youthful vigour and older age. I believe Qui-Gon was originally going to have white hair, for example (see our forum banner image), but Neeson was reluctant and wanted to keep his own tone. So they settled on a slightly greying look instead. These days, Neeson does look a fair bit older (it's been almost 25 years, after all), and his voice is much darker and much more gravelly (it's very noticeable even in his small voiceover in the climax of TROS). While always masculine and intense, he's actually developed a fairly hardened screen quality since TPM (his "Taken" persona). In TPM, he was just about perfect for the role, I think. A neat reminder that every movie is like a time capsule; and that same quality is part of the (underrated) joy in partaking of the cinematic experience and returning to old favourites. For inclusivity's sake, here is our other main character: Both have a strange degree of quizzical knowingness in their eyes. Gotta love the delicious colours, the glorious framing, this strange triad of characters, and, of course: Qui-Gon's "slide rule" gesture. Indeed. We've barely spent five minutes on the lush surface of Naboo, and then Lucas shows us this. Looks like a fine place to start a lightsaber fight, doesn't it? Glossy magazine page-turn. Heat mirage. Also part of an elaborate archway/doorway/gate motif at work in Episode I. Connected to its working title: "The Beginning": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Janusen.wikipedia.org/wiki/JanusTHE JANUS MENACE This is absolutely great. Never looked at the shot that way before. Adds a good deal of poignancy to the movie and their bond. I like how Anakin shouts back to Padme the same warm gratitude: "I was glad to meet you, too!" It's so sweet and innocent here. In ROTS, when Padme insists she's not going to die in childbirth, and Anakin doubles down on assuring her, "No, I promise you", less so. A measure of what is lost; and how fear and greed -- and politics/war -- disfigure things. As remarkable as the CG is in that moment, the whole scene is outstandingly directed. I especially love the chemistry between Watto and Qui-Gon when Watto says, after Qui-Gon shows him the hologram of the queen's fancy-smancy ship, "I hope you didn't kill anyone I know for it." The Disney era is bereft of character design and character moments like these. Elemental connections and ideogrammatic resonances! The mythic saga underway!! The Beginning!!! The story of a boy, a girl, and a galaxy.Or, perhaps also, a man, a woman, and a simple life of tender care and affection never to be: It's also (like everything Lucas) a really well-composed shot. Ignoring physics (I'm sure their eardrums would be ruptured, for one thing -- look how close the humans are to the tank), you can believe in the world, because it's so finely-populated. With things: architecture, geometry. Not just people/creatures. But seriously look at the composition here. It's very much a tripartite/tricolour shot that's over in a few seconds. The rule of thirds is followed so perfectly here. Basically: brown (the entrance to the hangar), green (the tree in the centre), and white (the brilliant explosion). And yet there are also people/droids in it. A lively diorama. The overhead first-person shot is very inventive -- and surely a little echoic of this? It's nice to see Anakin against green: just a kid on the grass. He's happiest there -- like in Episode II when he rolls around with Padme in the meadow. And Threepio and Tarpals are perhaps trying to process the curious energy levels of this precocious sprog. Which has such a storybook, "World Of Tomorrow" quality about it (as you've discussed before). TPM really does feel like an earlier epoch in the Star Wars universe. A world of rich fauna and daguerreotypes vs. convenience stores and smartphones. Or, indeed, podracers vs. skyhoppers. Just gotta say: that's one of my favourite Padme costumes. Six gates. Or five between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon: coincidentally the additional number of Star Wars movies Obi-Wan appears in. Which so much of the imagery in Episode I is evocative of. If Obi-Wan is St. Peter, then Qui-Gon is John The Baptist. Digital visions realised.
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Post by Ingram on Jun 5, 2021 10:13:08 GMT
This was trickier than I anticipated. Revenge of the Sith is a different beast from its two predecessors. Or simply put, it is a beast. Sure, the aesthetics are generally the same in terms of technical parameters yet the underlying temperament stands apart with imagery as a conceptual work less studied than it is, well, brandished. Comparatively no middle ground. Gone effectively are the quieter storybook milieus and dioramas opposite a velvet rope; 'go big or go home' is this third and final installment and Lucas here seemed no longer compelled with such wandering abstractions. Rather, the movie is either busy as all hell editorially or visualized with striking, graphic literalism that does not elicit but goddamn commands. Lots of gimmes, my point being.
Revenge of the Sith...
Spears thrown. The deeper, richer lighting of this installment. Blacks devour while surfaces ignite with color. Obi-Wan already on Mustafar before he even knows it.
Fetts, doing their job.
Ring theory.
Mini-nebula of fury.
An impressively large set for a trilogy condemned for being nothing but green-screens. Note Palpatine's red guard precursors.
Proposed internal monologue: "Well how 'bout this for a Tuesday!"
Unmarked graves.
Rapid entropy.
Grievous is a vulture-man-bot with a stage curtain for a cape. He's such a great work of mustache-twirling cartoonery.
When the PT commits to a uni-color. Knighted with Kryptonite.
Fun world-building with emergency response personnel in a Star Wars movie. I like the minutiae of his brown coverall jacket, probably flame-retardant.
Monitors. Star Wars sticker book. From Anakin's point of view. The vague connotation of Imperial China in this shot.
Hayden really is most handsome here. He bulked up for the film just enough to complete the embodiment of Anakin in his prime, with a fuller face and mane that recalls a 1980s He-Man-like 'space barbarian' quality (or think Lee Horsley from The Sword and the Sorcerer).
Machine guns.
Arcade game. The only thing missing from this shot are the life/power level bars above both fighters.
The action on Utapau really embraced the vertigo.
We now interrupt this program.
Eclipse.
Gold statues observe with impartiality, Coruscant in the distance gives way to smog.
Spare parts.
She and he.
Serendipitous as since proven via Palpatine's digital contortions...
...along with this dated digital face-doubling. As if tapping the Dark Side reveals the inhuman, the phantasmagorical. Palpatine's inner 'Universal Monster'. Or he's like Harryhausen's Medusa: cornered, coiled, threatened, elementally hateful.
LOL - what a fucker.
Obi-Wan plummets figuratively deep into the geological timescale.
Before and after, yellow eyes remain. Think how genuinely terrified Wat Tambor must have been at that moment and the morbid absolution in the following image.
The dark lord of the Sith thrown into some furniture, ass-up undignified. Also, is this shot winking at me?
The repulsorpod bearing down upon Yoda like a shark-finned predator.
Let go of everything you fear to lose.
This shot almost has a mirroring effect. Inverse reflections.
Man, the thematic staging here is just pop-art perfection, brass tacks. And it looks stunning as an homogeneous spectrum of hellfire.
Time to Bail.
Such colossal imagery rightly earned.
How can a tin-bucket robot with no human countenance still come off like child watching over his mother?
Polis Massa. For me, the unsung Star Wars locale. A station far removed from all things, just space rock and perpetual starry night. A perfect birthplace for the twins.
And the Eellayin seem so attentive here. Little thinkers. The design of this shot, not just the dialogue, is replete with medical science confronting the great mystery.
Baby blue.
Padme is dead.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
Another throwaway is Theed at dusk and its Arthurian funeral procession, opposite the victory celebration on Endor's moon during the same magic hour.
Alderaan's silver castle architecture of faces weirdly alien-like yet soft and cooing in their expression.
Ben Kenobi.
My most favorite PT frame of all.
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 5, 2021 12:03:49 GMT
Just an incredibly complex array of light, textures, models, plates and set-design all glimpsed through some peculiar hangar bay door framing. And this array of light and textures contains some secrets of composition in cinematography.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jun 13, 2021 16:05:07 GMT
Here's another crossover screencap from another Kubrick film. This connection has been noticed before, but it's fun to observe Star Wars through the prism of other films. Lucas said he deliberately reversed the classic monster coming through the door motif, and is there a more famous example, other than Forbidden Planet that is cited as the direct influence, than Jack Torrance? What would Qui-Gon Torrance say as he peaked through the door? "Here's Fode!"
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Post by Samnz on Jun 14, 2021 13:39:45 GMT
I like this one with Obi-Wan too:
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 14, 2021 15:23:11 GMT
I like this one with Obi-Wan too: It goes quite well with this subsequent shot/scene of Obi-Wan on Geonosis: Obi-Wan getting "trapped" in the light, with Dooku now strongly aware of his presence. It's also like Obi-Wan is spying on Anakin on Tatooine -- looking down like a disapproving father god from the sky. The wipe itself strongly suggests this: "If Master Obi-Wan caught me doing this, he'd be very grumpy."There's also the quality of Obi-Wan looking down at Anakin being reconstructed in ROTS: Obi-Wan is even shown looking sorrowful/aghast as this event is intercut with Padme receiving urgent medical care: And he's looking down at Padme (at her face, you dirty rascals!) as she's giving birth: That shot also has a resonance with Obi-Wan regarding Grievous' burnt-out guts -- right before the film turns dark and tragic leading to the dramatic events above: "So uncivilised."But, of course, the wipes are "elegant weapons"... "from a more civilised age".
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jun 15, 2021 9:44:08 GMT
Both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan riding eopies recall imagery of samurai riding horses, and both characters were influenced by Makabe Rokurota from The Hidden Fortress.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2021 11:14:49 GMT
Both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan riding eopies recall imagery of samurai riding horses, and both characters were influenced by Makabe Rokurota from The Hidden Fortress. Elegant. Day to night, left to right. Both also come bearing a wrapped gift. Luke is very J-type 327 Nubian hyperdrive-y. "Get this kid installed (in the homestead/Original Trilogy)."
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jun 15, 2021 11:22:24 GMT
Both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan riding eopies recall imagery of samurai riding horses, and both characters were influenced by Makabe Rokurota from The Hidden Fortress. Elegant. Day to night, left to right. Both also come bearing a wrapped gift. Luke is very J-type 327 Nubian hyperdrive-y. "Get this kid installed (in the homestead/Original Trilogy)." Yes. The galaxy is still a bright and shining place in TPM, while in RotS night has fallen. Luke is a glimmer of hope, as is the hyperdrive to the crew in TPM.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 15, 2021 11:48:05 GMT
Elegant. Day to night, left to right. Both also come bearing a wrapped gift. Luke is very J-type 327 Nubian hyperdrive-y. "Get this kid installed (in the homestead/Original Trilogy)." Yes. The galaxy is still a bright and shining place in TPM, while in RotS night has fallen. Luke is a glimmer of hope, as is the hyperdrive to the crew in TPM. They've both got a lot of midi-chlorians. They can both bend spacetime. Also, when Obi-Wan points out to Qui-Gon, "The hyperdrive generator's gone, Master. We'll need a new one", he could be complaining that Anakin leaves the Force in darkness, and that they need "A New Hope" -- i.e., Luke (or Leia) -- to remedy the situation.
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 21, 2021 10:17:29 GMT
P.S. Krystalogy's preview is the best preview ever.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jun 25, 2021 18:19:36 GMT
Pretty brilliant. Of all the ways to portray this moment... The title of the film makes it sound like the Clones are the bad guys attacking the Republic or the Jedi or something. But we soon learn they serve the Republic. And in this shot of them beginning their first attack, it's like they're descending from on high like angels. Some people say one of the biggest disappointments of the Prequels was that there were no big reveals like Vader being Luke's dad. I think there’s actually a big reveal in almost every scene, provided you're familiar with the OT. And one of the biggest ones of all is the mindf*** that the Jedi fought with the stormtroopers. I was honestly blown away sitting there in the theater in 2002.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 26, 2021 3:23:58 GMT
Pretty brilliant. Of all the ways to portray this moment... The title of the film makes it sound like the Clones are the bad guys attacking the Republic or the Jedi or something. But we soon learn they serve the Republic. And in this shot of them beginning their first attack, it's like they're descending from on high like angels. It's also a very good example of a Deus ex Machina. Yoda descends from the sky in a war machine and allows the remaining Jedi in the arena to cheat death. The only problem is, in doing so, like with Anakin pledging to Palpatine in the next film, there is a consequence: the Republic itself turns into a war machine. Yoda has just basically doomed everyone. Another Pyrrhic victory for the Sith. Ingenious storytelling. BTW, I once tried to edit that Wikipedia entry with exactly this example of Yoda arriving with the clones. It was quickly scrubbed off by one of Wikipedia's many zealous editors. I was told my edit was invalid because I hadn't supplied a reliable source -- like, say, a film critic. On the commentary track, Lucas himself conflates this moment with Han returning to save Luke's butt in the Millennium Falcon at the climax to ANH. Probably shouldn't have used "butt" and "climax" in the same sentence there. "You're all clear, kid. Now let's blow this thing..." OMG. Well, anyway, he does. AOTC is actually a fairly orthogonal tribute to ANH. I had this all written down somewhere. Basically, AOTC is the "25-year-old" version of ANH, having been released twenty-five years after the original film. It has a cantina/nightclub, a Skywalker watching a sunset at the homestead, some classic banter between Artoo and Threepio as Artoo again goes idly wandering off on a desert planet, there's a moment where the twins or the parents of the twins suddenly find themselves stuck on a tiny ledge behind a sealed door (the twins swing to victory, while the parents plummet below), and there's either a garbage masher or a droid factory (where Luke almost drowns and Padme is almost incinerated, while Han and Anakin recklessly indulge in violence that goes nowhere). In the garbage masher, Han tells Leia to "Get on top of it", while Obi-Wan quips in the arena that Padme "seems to be on top of things". Hammer Horror buddies Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee also beautifully command the screen in both films -- the former is even delivered the Death Star by the latter. Yep. There are endless revelations and recontextualisations in the prequels. They're like a living canvas for Yoda's direction to Luke in TESB: "You must unlearn what you have learned." It's this continuous unlearning that is key to the PT's relevance and brilliance.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 26, 2021 4:36:35 GMT
All of the Episode IV parallels in II make me wonder if Klimo got it wrong with Ring Theory. Why the heck are all of these Episode IV parallels in the second chapter if the second chapter is supposed to mirror Episode V? I say this as a Klimo fanboy. No shade being thrown.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 26, 2021 5:00:50 GMT
All of the Episode IV parallels in II make me wonder if Klimo got it wrong with Ring Theory. Why the heck are all of these Episode IV parallels in the second chapter if the second chapter is supposed to mirror Episode V? I say this as a Klimo fanboy. No shade being thrown. Klimo's Ring Theory isn't the be-all, end-all of explaining the rhyming structure of the movies. One of the easiest ways of describing the II-IV pair is that they're even-numbered episodes. Lucas gets a lot of mileage out of the fact that many structures are possible when there's six movies, each made of three acts, in two trilogies, where adjacent films lock arms, as does "every other" film in the super structure. Another way of looking at is that AOTC is "where" ANH should or would be in the PT structure. TPM is sort of a distanced overture. AOTC performs a mixture of Episode I and "middle act" duties. Obi-Wan also explains to Luke that he fought in the Clone Wars and "was once a Jedi Knight" in his hovel in ANH. But he only becomes a Jedi Knight at the end of Episode I, and the Clone Wars don't erupt until the end of Episode II -- or even Episode III, when multiple skirmishes have erupted across the galaxy, technically ("Begun this clone war has"). Obi-Wan's full line, of course, is: "I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father." And Anakin himself isn't a Jedi Knight until Episode III. Luke himself glimpses "a city in the clouds" in Episode V. So, between Obi-Wan's recollections in IV, and Luke's visions and intuitions in V, you could say that the characters are performing a kind of mythopoeitic imagining, thus "conjuring" the Clone War storyline of the PT -- that is: Episodes II and III -- out of the Akashic Records (two letters that make up the magical DNA of STAR WARS). Hence Episodes II and III have a lot of interesting rhyme-y stuff of their own. At the end of Episode III, Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he will teach him "how to commune" with his vanished Master. And in Episode I, they walk the world together. Star Wars is much stranger than Klimo supposes.
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 26, 2021 8:09:54 GMT
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Post by Moonshield on Jun 27, 2021 4:48:51 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 27, 2021 5:48:20 GMT
Moonshield Nice work. There's an underlying literary pull to the prequels that's quite, ah... erm... disarming, wouldn't you say?
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