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Post by emperorferus on Feb 29, 2020 19:56:42 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 29, 2020 21:31:42 GMT
Why? Would he be any worse than Joe Biden or any of the other neoliberal centrists that crowd the Democrat Party and have basically rendered it the party of the rich? |
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Post by emperorferus on Feb 29, 2020 22:30:44 GMT
Why? Would he be any worse than Joe Biden or any of the other neoliberal centrists that crowd the Democrat Party and have basically rendered it the party of the rich? Not necessarily. I don’t mean to be mean to anyone here who feels differently. Besides my personal bias against what he’s done Star Wars-wise, he isn’t really politically knowledgable. I would vote Democrat in 2024 if he leaned conservative. I may have made a mistake in bringing this up in this thread, but I couldn’t think of a better one. I just thought Iger possibly running for president was an interesting tangent. Im sorry if I sounded rude, I just don’t want someone of that crowd as president. I come in peace  |
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 29, 2020 23:05:59 GMT
Why? Would he be any worse than Joe Biden or any of the other neoliberal centrists that crowd the Democrat Party and have basically rendered it the party of the rich? Not necessarily. Exactly. He'd fit right in. Consider who the current President Of The United States is... It's fine. I just don't see what makes Bob Iger so different from the current gang/sters. |
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Post by emperorferus on Mar 1, 2020 0:33:36 GMT
Exactly. He'd fit right in. Consider who the current President Of The United States is... It's fine. I just don't see what makes Bob Iger so different from the current gang/sters. To clarify, I’m not normally a Republican supporter. To me, Iger and Trump are the same person. Again, you guys, sorry if I derailed. If there’s a better place to talk about this I’m happy to go there with it instead. I honestly just found out today about the possibility and I thought about how I don’t want Bob Iger as president. And yes, in small part because of Star Wars. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Mar 1, 2020 1:25:21 GMT
To clarify, I’m not normally a Republican supporter. To me, Iger and Trump are the same person. Well, I think Iger has higher values than Trump, but yeah, you could say they're both self-serving creeps. Which makes them perfectly electable -- even divinely-mandated -- in the eyes of many people (selfish, insular, and delusional thinking isn't confined to one political party or its supporter base), sadly... |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Mar 2, 2020 8:08:20 GMT
Retracted
We shouldn't be engaging in politics on this site.
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Post by Ingram on Mar 2, 2020 9:57:13 GMT
Not to be a sour apple, but we might wanna cool it a bit with the politics around here. Because it's uncomfortable, one may ask? Well, I'm of the mind: it's all or nothing with political discussion, leaving no room for mere cake icing i.e., casual two-cents here or a few seemingly throwaway closing statements there. No. If we go, we go all in. And it ain't gonna be pretty.
But that's just my preference, of course. I don't mean to dictate anyone else.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Mar 2, 2020 12:28:56 GMT
Yeah, I agree with you. I think discussions about modern politics, current affairs and religion shown be frowned upon - basically, the divisive topics. A Star Wars forum has to be open to people of all believes, nationalities etc, and we can't afford to make it an intimidating place for those who don't conform to the majority. The TLJ schism has done enough harm.
Citing relevant influences in certain philosophical/religious traditions or taking analogies from political history should be fair game though. It doesn't one is endorsing them either (if you are, then you must realise you're preaching to a tiny number of people and that made-for-soapboxes like Reddit do exist). We all know it wasn't just other films that informed GL.
I'm happy to delete my last message if Cryogenic and the Emperor feel the same.
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Post by emperorferus on Mar 2, 2020 18:17:30 GMT
Yeah, I agree with you. I think discussions about modern politics, current affairs and religion shown be frowned upon - basically, the divisive topics. A Star Wars forum has to be open to people of all believes, nationalities etc, and we can't afford to make it an intimidating place for those who don't conform to the majority. The TLJ schism has done enough harm.
Citing relevant influences in certain philosophical/religious traditions or taking analogies from political history should be fair game though. It doesn't one is endorsing them either (if you are, then you must realise you're preaching to a tiny number of people and that made-for-soapboxes like Reddit do exist). We all know it wasn't just other films that informed GL.
I'm happy to delete my last message if Cryogenic and the Emperor feel the same.
I'm good with that if you guys agree.
I didn't mean to cause a stir, I honestly was just reacting to finding out Iger might run. I definitely don't want to add to any flames.
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Post by Ingram on Mar 2, 2020 19:47:27 GMT
I'm happy to delete my last message if Cryogenic and the Emperor feel the same.
No, I wouldn't want you or anyone else deleting any such expressed views. May God smite me asunder -- to a fine powder -- with his divine fist if ever I be caught on the enforcing/pressuring end of that wedge. |
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Post by Cryogenic on Mar 3, 2020 1:32:38 GMT
Guys, guys, guys... Don't worry. I do think this little detour was rather unnecessary, and yet, it was an up-to-date, Disney-related thing we were discussing -- albeit at something of a tangent. Arch Duke Of Naboo:We sometimes disagree, and sparks have been known to fly, but I couldn't have said any of what you just did, regarding the current litter of presidential candidates and the state of American (and in many ways: British) politics, any better. Bravo. Maybe, again, a bit off-topic, but it'd be a shame if you deleted that. Perhaps, as you suggested, these posts could be moved into a new thread: "Bob Iger's Departure And The Current State Of American Politics" or something like that. Dangerous and disturbing this puzzle is. IngramI totally get your meaning. Politics is one of those topics that tends to spiral fast. I also tend to be an all-or-nothing guy on the subject. That said, sometimes, I run out of steam, or actively avoid the spiral in my personal case, by applying the brakes a little bit. However, as you have just alluded to, such discussions rapidly tend to take on a life and chaotic drama of their own. So yeah. Probably best to generally avoid going that route too often in pre-designated "Star Wars" threads in corresponding message board sections. Elsewhere on the board, however, I think there is space to discuss such matters. Though friendships are often challenged and not infrequently broken that way. Icky, icky goo. I also share your anxiety/disdain/disgust/horror toward censoring people. Unless very extreme and hateful things are being said (and even then: many things get filed under these terms as a silencing tactic), I think censorship is the wrong move. As I tried saying on TFN -- and certainly about TFN -- before: Courtesy of John Stuart Mill: www.utilitarianism.com/ol/two.htmlEmperor Ferus:I can see you're not trying to add flames. Don't worry about it. The boundaries of this thread aren't well-defined. It's sort of the catch-all Disney thread, as far as I can see; and if you hadn't have at least commented on Bob Iger stepping down, I'm sure someone else would have. And when it comes to politics, we all have opinions. Moreover: The prequels, in particular, are very political films, of course. |
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Post by Subtext Mining on Jan 29, 2024 0:38:39 GMT
From what I see.  |
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Mar 2, 2024 21:10:38 GMT
"For the average person, all problems date back to WWII; to the more informed ones, to WWI; and for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution." - Erik von Kuehnelt-Ledihnn
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Post by Ingram on Mar 3, 2024 2:54:18 GMT
"For the average person, all problems date back to WWII; to the more informed ones, to WWI; and for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution." - Erik von Kuehnelt-Ledihnn Am currently enraptured in the Hundred Years War, which I think might constitute a couple-three steps further back into history as that which has shaped so much of Western civilization. "Save France from her enemies." — St. Michael, to some anonymous young peasant girl from the village of Domrémy, 1425 A.D.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Mar 3, 2024 3:18:28 GMT
Ooh man tell me about it- after listening to the The Rest is History narrate about it, I bought the Arthur Conan Doyle novel Sir Nigel.
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Post by smittysgelato on Mar 3, 2024 5:47:53 GMT
"For the average person, all problems date back to WWII; to the more informed ones, to WWI; and for the genuine historian, to the French Revolution." - Erik von Kuehnelt-Ledihnn There is definitely a lot of dynamics from the Protestant Reformation at work in contemporary politics too. The propaganda of that era is eerily familiar. One might even say that all problems date back to the origins of the human condition. |
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Mar 3, 2024 8:02:55 GMT
It's almost like sectarianism itself is the issue.
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