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Post by Subtext Mining on Feb 12, 2020 6:10:23 GMT
The human brain: the most complex system in the known universe. And with this complexity comes a self-aware consciousness which facilitates, among many things, the knowledge of one's own mortality and the ability to ponder abstractly upon it. All animals seek survival and avoid danger with a built-in fight or flight mechanism, but in obtaining the power to assert his will upon nature and dominate it, man has gone a step further in quelling many of the insecurities brought on by the nature of existence. However, in doing so, he has progressively separated himself from nature; closed himself off from it with a dividing wall. Even at the very expense of nature itself. And once distanced as far as possible, seemingly safe within his fabricated walls, man has found he still faces another threat from nature; human nature. So in order to halt this disturbance he created political systems and laws. The most extreme and effective forms being that of tyranny and dictatorship, genocide and slavery. And yet still, despite all his efforts to place both the natural world and human nature under his thumb, even the tyrant continues to feel the nagging of an existential threat he feels powerless against. The ultimate fact of nature: the lingering awareness of the eventual end of our existence. So how poignant that at the heart of Star Wars, particularly the prequels, we have the main protagonist and antagonist grappling with the same central issue, albeit from different angles and motivations. Now throw in the deep, mysterious potentials in the Force these characters possess and you get a compelling story.
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 12, 2020 23:48:06 GMT
We just need to bring Freud and Jung back to life for this chat and we're done. I'll try and page them for you...
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Post by tonyg on Feb 14, 2020 18:58:18 GMT
As this is connected directly to the prequels, should be moved in the so called general discussion... I think.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Feb 14, 2020 22:31:21 GMT
This place is hilarious. We spend more energy organizing discussions than adding to them.
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 14, 2020 22:56:57 GMT
This place is hilarious. We spend more energy organizing discussions than adding to them. It's a fucking wasteland.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Feb 15, 2020 7:15:14 GMT
Haha, sigh. Well for one: there is a designated thread for making suggestions to move/rename/reorganize threads in the private section, so as to avoid going off topic with forum related stuff. Two: both threads in the "other" board imediately shifted to SW. Which brings me to three: I didn't think we really needed an "other topics" section, at least not yet, but hey. And four: this thread is still young and my intention for it is to continue down non specifically SW related topics. I just threw that in at the end of the OP for kicks. Now, if it does evolve Into a SW-centric conversation I would definitely move it (or get rid of the not really necessary "other" board). But time will tell.
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Post by Cryogenic on Feb 15, 2020 17:27:33 GMT
^^ I should have said graveyard to fit the theme of the the thread. Or charnel house. But enough about Disney Star Wars. *audience groans* Thank you, I'm here all week! Anyway, yah... I guess non-SW threads can't help but have SW references and puns. Not sure it fully connects, but to bring some shading to this thread: This is pretty good read about human civilisation, mortality, and our existential communion with time: theanarchistlibrary.org/library/john-zerzan-time-and-its-discontentsThink droid factory and a million other things like: "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...." "We will watch your career with great interest." And also: www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/02/star-wars-george-lucas-story"The interesting thing about Star Wars—and I didn’t ever really push this very far, because it’s not really that important—but there’s a lot going on there that most people haven’t come to grips with yet. But when they do, they will find it’s a much more intricately made clock than most people would imagine." Extract from main essay mentioned above: theanarchistlibrary.org/library/john-zerzan-time-and-its-discontentsJar Jar is the key to all this.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 31, 2021 4:05:30 GMT
I think about this topic a lot, but don't seem to ever resolve it. Spirituality and religion seem to view the mortal, the material, i.e. nature, as dirty and as that which obscures the human being from what he really is: an immortal being. Matter, the earth, samsara must be escaped, you must fly up to the eternal realm to be what you really are. Yet this seems to put man at odds with the fact that he must live in his body, in the world of matter and samsara for his entire mortal life. The desire to escape the material puts him at odds with half of what he is. I'm not sure that does human beings much good.
For me, the dilemma is summed up by one of the central questions of the Prequels: what does it mean to love Padme without becoming attached to her?
Of course, one of the assumptions I make above is that nature is the mortal and the material. Alternatively, nature could be considered to encompass both the mortal and the eternal. Perhaps I need to chew on that for a while and see where that idea leads.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jun 22, 2021 2:28:34 GMT
Seems to me that Gnosticism and Platonism have become far too entrenched into the modern world, by some of the comments pertaining to religion and spirituality. That's only one cosmological worldview- but yes I agree that trying to see the world of space time and matter as corrupt, is not really a good idea.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 22, 2021 3:11:03 GMT
Seems to me that Gnosticism and Platonism have become far too entrenched into the modern world, by some of the comments pertaining to religion and spirituality. Thanks in no small part to SW.
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Post by smittysgelato on Jun 22, 2021 4:42:14 GMT
Seems to me that Gnosticism and Platonism have become far too entrenched into the modern world, by some of the comments pertaining to religion and spirituality. That's only one cosmological worldview- but yes I agree that trying to see the world of space time and matter as corrupt, is not really a good idea. Gnosticism is def a thing. It both fascinates and worries me.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jun 27, 2021 2:57:04 GMT
Seems to me that Gnosticism and Platonism have become far too entrenched into the modern world, by some of the comments pertaining to religion and spirituality. Thanks in no small part to SW. I'm not so sure. Star Wars is more linked to the Eastern spirituality revival of the late 60's- something Alan Watts and Joe Campbell had been involved in popularizing beforehand, which in itself was heavily inspired by certain German thinkers of the late 19th century, Schopenhauer in particular. The cosmology of Star Wars isn't really compatible with the Gnostic one; the material world is never seen as evil for one. You could argue it does have Platonic elements (luminous beings are we; not this crude matter) along with the use of Force ghosts. But Star Wars, I think, has a cosmology that is very universal and has several points in common with many spiritual and religious systems. That's part of its enduring appeal.
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