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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jan 18, 2020 14:08:38 GMT
With award season in full-swing, I figured it would be a good opportunity to start a discussion on the treatment - or rather, mistreatment - of the prequels at the 72nd, 75 and 78th editions of the Academy Awards.
Here's how Star Wars, as a whole, has done:
Yeah, I can't understand TFA being the sole recipient of a best film editing nomination since the original either...
What often sticks out as egregious is the lack of any nomination for Trisha Biggar for best costume design. Many fans and media pundits agree she was robbed. So what got nominated and won instead of it? Here they are:
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2002:
2005:
The ignorance of the prequels for best score is also painful to look back on. One can wave away costume nomination by saying "Oh well, the sequels were ignored here too", but in this case that doesn't ring true. Here we have the unquestionably inferior, and to my mind, largely forgettable, Sequel scores all getting pipped ahead of them. Here is what made the cut:
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Striking too, was it not, that while TPM and AOTC were nominated for best visual effects, ROTS was not? The final prequel achieved leaps in CGI technology, that easily bested AOTC, and that still hold up today, and yet TROS makes no advances beyond what is seen in TFA and still gets nominated. It really is ridiculous. It doesn't matter that there were 3 nominees currently prior to 2010, ROTS was more impressive than all of these:
While TPM got the nod in the two sound categories, AOTC (the one that gave us this) and ROTS strangely did not. Here's who they lost to:
Sound editing:
Sound mixing:
What are your own thoughts?
Do you have an argument for the prequels being nominated in another category like production design or editing? Have you seen the contemporary nominees mentioned above, and do you believe any of them were more worthy? Do you find ROTS's sole nomination for best makeup to be a weird consolation offer? Do you think that the technical categories rely on the same level of campaigning as we now know the main ones to be? If you've got any insights into corruption in Hollywood awards, please do share with us. |
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Post by jppiper on Jan 18, 2020 20:13:14 GMT
THE ACADEMY HATES LUCAS!
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Post by Ingram on Jan 18, 2020 20:35:02 GMT
The Prequels winning, or even being nominated, for anything close to the Best Picture/Screenplay/Director category would almost be an insult to the Prequels. I'm sure others here could better articulate what I mean by that.
However, if there's a crime to be considered here, even above the limited recognition for sound design and zero nominations for John Williams (who was nominated elsewhere), it would indeed be the total blatantly artistically bankrupt disregard for Trisha Biggar as the trilogy's reigning costume designer. That was some bullshit right there.
That, and the editing, of course.
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Post by jppiper on Feb 9, 2020 22:47:06 GMT
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Post by ladyfromplanetx on Feb 23, 2020 6:34:46 GMT
Yeah, I loved "Topsy-Turvy" so I can see why it won Best Costume, but at least they could've given Biggar a freakin' nomination for Best Costume because among my female peers, the number 1 topic we talked about when it came to SW was Queen Amidala's costumes and which ones were our favorites. The PT was a new era for female cosplay.
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Post by Moonshield on Apr 5, 2020 6:49:56 GMT
For me, the only personal "Oscar" for Lucas is: Best Writing for ROTS. Let the Best Picture or Best Director go to art films like "Crash" or something else. But why exactly for Best Writing? I'll try to explain why I think that. 1) It's a very difficult art task to write the backstory, because you have to take the original story into consideration. 2) To show the hero's fall is more difficult than to show the hero's triumph. Anakin's fall reminds me about "Crime and Punishment" and "Idiot". 3) Lucas has done very well - we can see Anakin's internal struggle, motivation, reasons to fall to the dark side. 4) A lot of developments preparing Anakin's fault - killing Dooku, Padme's pregnancy, Anakin's love (which turns into obsession), Palpatine's lies, etc. 5) Lucas could write the screenplay in Hitchcock's spirit - to create the suspense. 6) Dialogues. "This is where the fun begins", "Spring the trap", "So this is how liberty dies... ", "If so powerful you are, why leave?", etc. 7) Match the canon. Vader's trauma, Padme's death, the separation of Luke and Leia, etc. 8) All developments have reasons. Vader's defeat has its reason and Padme's death too. It's very difficult to show all of this in one movie.
I hope that I've explained enough.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Apr 5, 2020 16:03:51 GMT
The Oscars have never been a friend of Star Wars, or George for that matter. We have to remember that GL became succesful in spite of Hollywood, not because of them, and that him pulling his membership from the Directors Guild, among others, essentially left bad blood with the elite of Hollywood, and GL never cared to repair those broken bridges. The only reason why the ST films had more nominations than the PT is because Disney lobbied hard for their inclusion, while George didn't and despised the way the Academy was being bribed into giving awards.
Also, to add to Ingram's point... the Oscars pretty much only give Best movie awards to these small method-character drama films in which the lead cries and screams for two hours, and since Star Wars is in so many ways, the anti-thesis of that type of film well it's no surprise you don't see them there
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Apr 6, 2020 17:12:28 GMT
The Oscars have never been a friend of Star Wars, or George for that matter. We have to remember that GL became succesful in spite of Hollywood, not because of them, and that him pulling his membership from the Directors Guild, among others, essentially left bad blood with the elite of Hollywood, and GL never cared to repair those broken bridges. The only reason why the ST films had more nominations than the PT is because Disney lobbied hard for their inclusion, while George didn't and despised the way the Academy was being bribed into giving awards. Also, to add to Ingram's point... the Oscars pretty much only give Best movie awards to these small method-character drama films in which the lead cries and screams for two hours, and since Star Wars is in so many ways, the anti-thesis of that type of film well it's no surprise you don't see them there
Well said, Jedi Colombiano. I think much of the problems here would be solved if journalists covering the film industry - or rather, "award season" to be more accurate - would apply the same thoroughness and scepticism that we see from those who analyse politics and the world of finance. There seems to be an underlying creed that the stars, filmmakers and indeed executives of Hollywood are beyond scrutiny so long as they pay tribute to my petty political issues. Well, I guess Harvey Weinstein has woke us up to that delusion, right? Right?! Oh no, popular media outlets remain asleep!
If journalists could get the message through to ordinary cinemagoers that the Oscars are not the empirical measurement of great filmmaking that they suppose they are, highlight its long history of dissidents which include our own George Lucas, and detail the corruption like they would of a Walls Street investment bank, then I think we could be in a much healthier place. These Academy Awards are not the Olympics, and film industries across the world do not need their validation (looking at you, Korea).
Any of you know of film magazines (or blogs) who aren't in bondage to this annual pageantry?
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 16, 2022 16:24:07 GMT
The underlined part is the most important bit, of course  What a legend Samuel L is. I hope we see Mace's backstory explored one day.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jul 6, 2022 12:29:36 GMT
Dear Lord, this ABSOLUTELY melts my mind. For the longest time I've had this memory of her winning the Oscar for Revenge of the Sith, but I went to the Oscars database for the 2006 Awards Ceremony and she ain't even listed as a nominee. The database says that Memoirs of a Geisha won that year. I even have a memory in my head of Trisha doing an acceptance speech. WHAT IS GOING ON!? Is my memory that BAD!? Or was I living in an alternate universe where she won before being teleported to this current reality!? Does this have something to do with Loki messing with the sacred timeline!? This is sooooooo fuckin' weird!!!! |
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What a legend Samuel L is. I hope we see Mace's backstory explored one day.
