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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jul 29, 2024 16:40:41 GMT
The first Star Wars film made by Disney. What memories do you have of the lead-up to its release? I remember how awful it was to be a prequel fanboy at the time, especially on TFN. JJ made comments about showing the bones of Jar Jar in the movie. That really stuck with me as a very petty thing to say, all the more cruel in the wake of Ahmed Best's revelation about his struggles with the backlash against his character. I was greatly disappointed by the actual film, and to this day it remains the only Star Wars film I actually dislike. Though I did see it twice on opening day... I felt like Comic Book Guy in that one episode of The Simpsons, greatly disappointed by the new "Cosmic Wars" movie, but still seeing it multiple times the same day.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jul 29, 2024 19:08:41 GMT
I had confidence in Disney when the sale was announced in 2012. During speculation about what the next trilogy should be like, I predicted that the protagonist would be a girl, based on the knowledge of the intention for the sequels was "pass on what you have learned", the exhaustion of the father-son story in episodes 1-6, and the fact that Luke was a girl in some early concept art for the original Star Wars. I also expected Palpatine to return, as he seemed to represent a larger-than-life evil in the Star Wars mythology. I thought Dark Empire was authentic in this sense, though I knew the EU was not to be followed. I also remember saying on the TFN forums that the visual patterns and rhythms of the story and dialogue would need to be followed carefully. This expectation would come back to bite. When Arndt was announced to write, I had hopes based on my emotional reaction to Toy Story 3 (I've only seen it once and it made me cry like a woman). When he was fired and J.J. Abrams took the project over my attitude became more skeptical, and I would withhold judgment until the trilogy wrapped up. I saw it opening day, kind of unexpectedly. I had some time before work, I had just gotten paid, and the theater had plenty of seats so I just went in. I had planned to see it with a friend later that weekend, but I didn't want to risk any spoilers. The opening theme music felt plastic, like in the video games. The first scene impressed me. I liked Kylo and his music. Oscar Isaac and the ball droid felt like a pair, and they hit the beats very quickly with a "stay here" moment for BB-8. The red-eyed creature poking its head out of the sand was a bit on-the-nose, but nostalgic. Finn and Rey were very likable, and Rey's theme was magical. The familiar beats were starting to become a bit too familiar by the time the Empire started searching the sand planet for droids though. By the time Han Solo showed up, I was reminded of the 2011 film The Muppets in which young underdeveloped characters meet their heroes in a state of defeat and reluctance, urging them to return to The Great Mission and to Do The Thing. In the last ten years, this formula has been done to death in many of my beloved childhood franchises including Ghostbusters and now (damn you, Tim Burton) Beetlejuice. "YOU'RE LIDYA DEETZ? YOU'RE A LEGEND!" It went mostly downhill from there. The rathtars were a cartoon from the lackluster first sequel to Men in Black. And as if the Disnified cantina sequence with its dull pookie-pookie music wasn't nauseating enough, the Minion-esque Yoda stand in was by far the cheapest letdown in the movie for me. I did enjoy the sexual tension between Kylo and Rey, and the Han Solo death scene felt pretty authentic and well-executed. I was being patient with the mystery behind Ray's parentage and Snoke's identity, though ultimately they would not really pay off. I think the director had an understanding of R2-D2's mystical role in the original films, because when he suddenly came to life from his mechanical coma, I let out an audible laugh in the theater. JJ's biggest strength with Star Wars ended up being clever, but surface-level metaphors involving lovable droids. He ended up voicing D-0 himself in Episode 9. Perhaps he feels abused by the whole experience. I left the theater, cautiously optimistic, but decidedly underwhelmed. My friend was upset that I had seen the movie without him, but Star Wars is very personal for me, and I take its spiritual subtext very seriously, while he was more of a special effects enthusiast and casual fan. My friend was also a dogmatic atheist and more of a Trekkie, so we would have been on very different pages anyway.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Jul 29, 2024 19:45:49 GMT
I had confidence in Disney when the sale was announced in 2012. During speculation about what the next trilogy should be like, I predicted that the protagonist would be a girl, based on the knowledge of the intention for the sequels was "pass on what you have learned", the exhaustion of the father-son story in episodes 1-6, and the fact that Luke was a girl in some early concept art for the original Star Wars. I also expected Palpatine to return, as he seemed to represent a larger-than-life evil in the Star Wars mythology. I thought Dark Empire was authentic in this sense, though I knew the EU was not to be followed. I also remember saying on the TFN forums that the visual patterns and rhythms of the story and dialogue would need to be followed carefully. This expectation would come back to bite. When Arndt was announced to write, I had hopes based on my emotional reaction to Toy Story 3 (I've only seen it once and it made me cry like a woman). When he was fired and J.J. Abrams took the project over my attitude became more skeptical, and I would withhold judgment until the trilogy wrapped up. I saw it opening day, kind of unexpectedly. I had some time before work, I had just gotten paid, and the theater had plenty of seats so I just went in. I had planned to see it with a friend later that weekend, but I didn't want to risk any spoilers. The opening theme music felt plastic, like in the video games. The first scene impressed me. I liked Kylo and his music. Oscar Isaac and the ball droid felt like a pair, and they hit the beats very quickly with a "stay here" moment for BB-8. The red-eyed creature poking its head out of the sand was a bit on-the-nose, but nostalgic. Finn and Rey were very likable, and Rey's theme was magical. The familiar beats were starting to become a bit too familiar by the time the Empire started searching the sand planet for droids though. By the time Han Solo showed up, I was reminded of the 2011 film The Muppets in which young underdeveloped characters meet their heroes in a state of defeat and reluctance, urging them to return to The Great Mission and to Do The Thing. In the last ten years, this formula has been done to death in many of my beloved childhood franchises including Ghostbusters and now (damn you, Tim Burton) Beetlejuice. "YOU'RE LIDYA DEETZ? YOU'RE A LEGEND!" It went mostly downhill from there. The rathtars were a cartoon from the lackluster first sequel to Men in Black. And as if the Disnified cantina sequence with its dull pookie-pookie music wasn't nauseating enough, the Minion-esque Yoda stand in was by far the cheapest letdown in the movie for me. I did enjoy the sexual tension between Kylo and Rey, and the Han Solo death scene felt pretty authentic and well-executed. I was being patient with the mystery behind Ray's parentage and Snoke's identity, though ultimately they would not really pay off. I think the director had an understanding of R2-D2's mystical role in the original films, because when he suddenly came to life from his mechanical coma, I let out an audible laugh in the theater. JJ's biggest strength with Star Wars ended up being clever, but surface-level metaphors involving lovable droids. He ended up voicing D-0 himself in Episode 9. Perhaps he feels abused by the whole experience. I left the theater, cautiously optimistic, but decidedly underwhelmed. My friend was upset that I had seen the movie without him, but Star Wars is very personal for me, and I take its spiritual subtext very seriously, while he was more of a special effects enthusiast and casual fan. My friend was also a dogmatic atheist and more of a Trekkie, so we would have been on very different pages anyway. I remember calling the rathtar scene the "Men in Black scene" back on TFN just after the movie came out and getting flamed for it by the general consensus which was still very pro-Disney at the time. It really does look and feel straight out of Men in Black, and not Star Wars at all. The whole idea of Han and Chewie hauling some giant tentacled CGI blobs felt weird. I didn't like at all how they made Han revert back to a smuggler. That's one of my least favorite scenes, though Han's exchange with the two gangs is pretty funny. I especially find the name Tasu Leech hilarious for some reason. Highlights for me were Poe, the parallels Kylo had with Anakin/Vader, Rey's theme, which I think didn't really come into its own until TLJ, and Han's death. Han's death is really the best scene by far, although I did criticize Harrison Ford's acting a bit. I compared his death to Ki-Adi-Mundi's death, which to me is honestly more effectively sad, despite his being a tiny minor character. What I liked about that scene especially was the almost prequel-esque dialogue for Kylo, where he pours his heart out almost like young Anakin, saying how he is "being torn apart." I like that sort of slightly flowery dialogue in Star Wars. Reminded me a little bit of The Room's infamous "You're tearing me apart, Lisa!" in its melodrama.
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Post by Samnz on Jul 30, 2024 19:35:40 GMT
I don't remember much. I remember going in with zero expectations and they were about met. The lack of any kind of substantial world-building was to he expected, so that didn't surprise me. I was pleasently entertained, so it worked on a superficial level. What definitely rubbed me the wrong way was how they really sucked at imitating the wipes and how most of those glorious Lucasian establishing shots were gone. Looking back, what I "appreciate" the most about TFA these days - and that's a backhanded compliment for sure - is how it managed to make me a lot more aware of Lucas' distinctive cinematic style for Star Wars.
The lead-up was horrible. It was a majority of bullies getting pleasure from silencing a tiny minority, fully supported by the "media". It was disgusting and put to the forefront what I hate about humans.
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Post by Alexrd on Jul 31, 2024 9:43:36 GMT
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Post by starwarshexalogy on Jul 31, 2024 10:23:36 GMT
I remember finding out that Disney ditched Lucas´s Episodes VII-IX story treatments and the fury at seeing most of the fans being perfectly OK with it, even flat out approving of it. And the disgusting marketing campaign for the movie specially designed to kiss the Lucas haters´ asses.
I knew from that moment that the trilogy was going to be garbage.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on Sept 26, 2024 16:46:15 GMT
I don't remember much. I remember going in with zero expectations and they were about met. The lack of any kind of substantial world-building was to he expected, so that didn't surprise me. I was pleasently entertained, so it worked on a superficial level. What definitely rubbed me the wrong way was how they really sucked at imitating the wipes and how most of those glorious Lucasian establishing shots were gone. Looking back, what I "appreciate" the most about TFA these days - and that's a backhanded compliment for sure - is how it managed to make me a lot more aware of Lucas' distinctive cinematic style for Star Wars. The lead-up was horrible. It was a majority of bullies getting pleasure from silencing a tiny minority, fully supported by the "media". It was disgusting and put to the forefront what I hate about humans. If I'm perfectly honest, I do remember being moved, not quite to tears, but close by the very first teaser trailer. It was all-new Star Wars on the big screen again! Then the excitement subsided, and the annoyance with the whole marketing that followed ensued. I was most displeased with the treatment the prequels got from JJ, in the form of all too few references and the blowing up of (not-)Coruscant. I appreciated that there were at least some references to the prequels, like mention of a clone army, balance of the Force, Unkar Plutt/Watto parallel, and Kylo/Anakin parallels, but it really was a drought for hardcore prequel fans who wanted the sequels to unite all the films. The following two sequels would remedy that aspect, with many more prequel nods, which is probably why I'm more lenient on them. Yeah, I remember that. I wasn't very active there, if I remember correctly. I was fighting some stupid wars over at the sequel trilogy section.
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