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Post by Ingram on May 5, 2024 2:02:13 GMT
At the close of the presentation, my thoughts centered on Soviet montage theory and how much of an editor's film TPM truly is. It offers a constant flurry of shots that feel deliberately orchestrated to not only to clearly convey a narrative but also accent interactions, moments and visual ideas with uncommon efficiency and exactitude. Lucas has always claimed he was fundamentally an editor-at-heart and the proof is squarely in the pudding with this first PT film. Some of the members here have classified TPM as a mixed media film. It's a true distinction because of the impressive cascade of different techniques, both digital and practical, throughout the filling of the film's cinematic canvas. With an eye far more trained than it was 25 years ago, I can see the seams between the various implemented methods of achieving various shots; the vast many edited together. But it makes not an iota of difference when you factor in Lucas' stated irreverence toward versimilitude-based considerations regarding continuity and reality. It's all an illusion and that's the key to all of this (along with Jar Jar, of course)! Should I say it? I shouldn't say it. I'm gonna say it: in a light, The Phantom Menace is the most sophisticated Star Wars film to date; yes, even among Lucas' five other installments.
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Post by Somny on May 5, 2024 2:52:18 GMT
At the close of the presentation, my thoughts centered on Soviet montage theory and how much of an editor's film TPM truly is. It offers a constant flurry of shots that feel deliberately orchestrated to not only to clearly convey a narrative but also accent interactions, moments and visual ideas with uncommon efficiency and exactitude. Lucas has always claimed he was fundamentally an editor-at-heart and the proof is squarely in the pudding with this first PT film. Some of the members here have classified TPM as a mixed media film. It's a true distinction because of the impressive cascade of different techniques, both digital and practical, throughout the filling of the film's cinematic canvas. With an eye far more trained than it was 25 years ago, I can see the seams between the various implemented methods of achieving various shots; the vast many edited together. But it makes not an iota of difference when you factor in Lucas' stated irreverence toward versimilitude-based considerations regarding continuity and reality. It's all an illusion and that's the key to all of this (along with Jar Jar, of course)! Should I say it? I shouldn't say it. I'm gonna say it: in a light, The Phantom Menace is the most sophisticated Star Wars film to date; yes, even among Lucas' five other installments. I'm inclined to agree. Primarily on account of the quadruple-threaded climax (i.e., ground battle, space battle, laser sword duel and palace invasion). Neither AOTC, despite being my favorite of the six, nor ROTS topped TPM's intensity of that key feature among Lucas' entries - those show-stopping apotheoses.
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 5, 2024 3:10:14 GMT
At the close of the presentation, my thoughts centered on Soviet montage theory and how much of an editor's film TPM truly is. It offers a constant flurry of shots that feel deliberately orchestrated to not only to clearly convey a narrative but also accent interactions, moments and visual ideas with uncommon efficiency and exactitude. Lucas has always claimed he was fundamentally an editor-at-heart and the proof is squarely in the pudding with this first PT film. Some of the members here have classified TPM as a mixed media film. It's a true distinction because of the impressive cascade of different techniques, both digital and practical, throughout the filling of the film's cinematic canvas. With an eye far more trained than it was 25 years ago, I can see the seams between the various implemented methods of achieving various shots; the vast many edited together. But it makes not an iota of difference when you factor in Lucas' stated irreverence toward versimilitude-based considerations regarding continuity and reality. It's all an illusion and that's the key to all of this (along with Jar Jar, of course)! Should I say it? I shouldn't say it. I'm gonna say it: in a light, The Phantom Menace is the most sophisticated Star Wars film to date; yes, even among Lucas' five other installments. Yeah, I always say, TPM and AotC are the purest forms of Star Wars.
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Post by Ingram on May 5, 2024 3:28:20 GMT
Should I say it? I shouldn't say it. I'm gonna say it: in a light, The Phantom Menace is the most sophisticated Star Wars film to date; yes, even among Lucas' five other installments. Yeah, I always say, TPM and AotC are the purest forms of Star Wars. I mean... they are both together and each on their own terms Star Wars quintessence. A New Hope is the novelty/novelty-seeking gene of Star Wars; The Empire Strikes Back, the most handsomely and carefully conventional Star Wars (circa 1980, anyways). Revenge of the Sith is Star Wars at its glorious pinnacle of caution abandoned & havoc wreaked. I guess that leaves Return of the Jedi, which is Star Wars quintessence—without affectation, minus the air of auteur labor. Shit. It's almost like these movies are, I dunno, good or something.
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 5, 2024 3:44:43 GMT
I saw it today, full house in a smaller theater. Mostly 40-somethings and about a dozen kids. Everyone was laughing at Jar Jar's antics. I guess nobody is going to pay $15 to hate-watch something though.
First thing I wanna say is, as time goes by, I grow more and more in awe of Pernilla August's performance. The casting was perfect throughout, but she is the unsung linchpin.
But yeah, seeing it in the theater again took me back to that magical spring of 1999. Seeing it with a bunch of friends on the first day, one of them sneaking in.
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Post by Alexrd on May 5, 2024 17:25:20 GMT
I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted, only because I wasn't expecting it to be released in my town and I watch scenes from these films with too much frequency. Back in 2011, after the Blu-ray came out, I refrained myself from watching it for a few months to get ready for the 3D release in February 2012. And the 3D itself was an unique experience on its own.
Still, there's nothing like watching these movies on the big screen. And the sound in particular is nothing like watching at home.
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 5, 2024 19:42:55 GMT
I was surprised there were no displays in the lobby. In fact, I didn't see any, except for a very small one for a Wolverine movie(?). Do they not do that anymore? Still, there's nothing like watching these movies on the big screen. And the sound in particular is nothing like watching at home. Yeah, the sound was a big highlight of the theater experience.
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Post by Ingram on May 6, 2024 7:35:57 GMT
"I may have gone too far in a few places"
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Post by Alexrd on May 6, 2024 14:25:14 GMT
Oh, there was some warning upfront to stay around after the movie ends for some trailer for a TV series. Of course I left before the credits were over.
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Post by Somny on May 6, 2024 15:20:18 GMT
Of course I left before the credits were over. Ditto. Actually, as soon as the credits were over. Because John Williams.
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Post by Alexrd on May 7, 2024 20:01:42 GMT
People don't realize what they have until it's gone.
Still, it's always interesting to see more and more people realize the importance of Lucas.
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 7, 2024 22:45:19 GMT
thoughts on the video: The momentum doesn't grind when they get to Coruscant. I'd consider it the climax of the 2nd Act and everything leading up to that. The moral dilemma Amidala finds herself in, Anakin getting denied, Valorum.
The podrace is cool until it gets repetitive? It's a 3-lap race, and I think they did a great job of breaking up what could've been monotonous, with new shots, events, problems, the focus gradually narrowing down to him and Sebubla, etc.
And he talked about how the lightsaber fights were an improvement on the OT, I think the podrace is the trench run on steroids.
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Post by xezene on May 8, 2024 12:06:42 GMT
Saw it, loved it! Great experience in the theater again, just awesome. I look forward to seeing the other two in the cinema again. The epic sweep of the GL six films is something that has a magic and expanse about it that few films have ever really been able to capture. Each film feels like 4 films jam packed into one, in the best way. The podrace could be the finale of any other film; here, we still have a whole act afterwards. All six of the GL SW saga are basically the ultimate dream of concept art and production design realized; art nouveau and art deco styles and world cultural styles everywhere, so much historical and anthropological inspiration all over the place. It's just incredible. I think it's why I got into the games and books, because the world he put on screen was so vast and rich and real; blink and you'll miss anything Lucas shows you, he doesn't linger. Like Scott did expertly on Blade Runner, he passes over incredible things quickly, and that gives a feeling of reality to it all. As a side note, having finished Young Indiana Jones and having loved it, I couldn't help but notice perhaps a little thread to it -- in a lot of those episodes, the story of Indy takes him to a place where he runs into a famous or important person in his journeys, usually by accident. Well, that's pretty much what happens here with Anakin! There's a lot more than can be said about this film but those are just a couple on the fly thoughts. People don't realize what they have until it's gone. Still, it's always interesting to see more and more people realize the importance of Lucas. I don't know if you guys remember, but when he says "this trilogy is not just Anakin's -- it's Palpatine's," that reminds me a lot of that essay I wrote up back on TFN about Palpatine being basically the narrative driver of the prequels. It's cool to see more and more people understand the unique and cool way the story of those films is constructed, rather than compare it to something it was never meant to be.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 9, 2024 22:24:52 GMT
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Post by Cryogenic on May 9, 2024 23:06:25 GMT
It's a fact -- or, at least, a sort of perceptual fact -- that film grain is more aesthetic, as well as that grey-green look that film scans tend to have. It's not that the HD transfer of TPM looks like crap, but it is flawed. And one of its flaws is extremely heavy DNR in some shots, and less DNR in others. Even this very inconsistency in noise reduction is distracting. Always has been. Commented at length about it after my 3D viewing in 2012. Really, though, they're stuck with the picture they've got, because it's straight from the digital negative (digital master), which would have to be re-edited from scratch, including all the original film negative being scanned in at 4K with high colour depth on a modern scanner, to yield a significant improvement. And since TPM, like all the prequels, was essentially a child of digital editing, or digital directing, where shots were manipulated on a computer, and all at 2K, there is no underlying analogue negative to go back to. There would, presumably, still be the so-called O-neg or OCN that physically ran through the film cameras on set (for the parts that were filmed on film; some shots were captured digitally on early digital HD cameras), but again, that would have to be scanned in anew and re-digitised for any appreciable improvement in picture quality. Other than that, yeah, there are these 35mm versions around, since almost all theaters back in the day showed film prints, struck from the digital master. Of course, in the case of AOTC and ROTS, film negative wasn't used as the capture medium during the filmmaking process. But again, if you want a more authentic "theatrical" experience, you can find scans of 35mm prints used to exhibit the latter prequel movies, as well, on release in many movie houses at the time.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on May 12, 2024 12:06:43 GMT
Royalty recognizes Royalty
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 12, 2024 12:25:56 GMT
People don't realize what they have until it's gone. Still, it's always interesting to see more and more people realize the importance of Lucas.
The comments know what to look for too.
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Post by jppiper on May 14, 2024 21:20:58 GMT
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Post by Subtext Mining on May 14, 2024 22:40:49 GMT
He says, "start with [the OT] because there's still something so pure about those films, they really show George Lucas' vision in it's early days.
There's still something so pure about the PT, too. And they really show Lucas' vision in that era.
I'm not too picky about which order people watch them in, but don't paint it as there's some loss of magic after the OT.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on May 15, 2024 2:50:39 GMT
He says, "start with [the OT] because there's still something so pure about those films, they really show George Lucas' vision in it's early days. There's still something so pure about the PT, too. And they really show Lucas' vision in that era. I'm not too picky about which order people watch them in, but don't paint it as there's some loss of magic after the OT. There was a loss of magic. The first film was made on a budget, all things considered, and there was something fresh about the original trilogy. The prequels are grand, and have more going on, but they were more deliberate and planned. They fit the box that the original trilogy imvented, following and subverting its rules. The prequels waited around to be made. They never had that novelty aspect that went into the originals. ILM at that point was making more effects outside Lucasfilm than inside. The originals broke the mold and reinvented the industry. The differences between the trilogies in this regard are self-evident from just watching the films themselves.
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