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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Feb 4, 2024 0:31:56 GMT
I'd like to open up on a poll and a conversation based on a simple question: would it be better if Star Wars (ie live action) stopped being made?
Is it really honouring George Lucas' legacy? Why do we have such a stigma about Star Wars coming to an end? Can we ever learn to accept what we already have, just as we do for The Lord of the Rings and so many other fictional worlds where the author has passed on? Why do we keep demanding more and more content, even as the quality of the output continues to decline into the abyss? Is Star Wars really of any creative value without the input of its visionary creator?
Is it time, in Yoda's words, to "let go"?
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Post by jppiper on Feb 4, 2024 2:56:00 GMT
ArchdukeOfNaboo Yes Star Wars Needs a Break (2) Until they have someone competent who understands it unlike the hacks at Disney! And they're Diluting the brand with all these shows
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Feb 4, 2024 3:12:13 GMT
It should end on a much better note.
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Post by smittysgelato on Feb 4, 2024 5:28:38 GMT
I do debate this with myself. Star Wars is about "life outside the box." The question is, by making more Star Wars, is that an example of being boxed in? Is it an attempt to make permanent a finite creation? Or is making new Star Wars movies an opportunity to live outside the box? To allow Star Wars to grow and change, and therefore, not remain a static or permanent entity?
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Post by Ingram on Feb 4, 2024 9:30:10 GMT
would it be better if Star Wars (ie live action) stopped being made?
No, in theory. It should stopped being mass produced.
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Post by starwarshexalogy on Feb 4, 2024 10:31:53 GMT
It should have ceased to be made from the moment Lucas got stabbed in the back.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Feb 4, 2024 13:58:05 GMT
Difficult question
I for one largely disapprove of the direction Kathleen Kennedy and the Story Group (whoever they are) have taken the franchise in, where it feels like it’s become a means to an end. They don’t seem to get Star Wars at a fundamental level, and some of the LFL employees like Pablo Hidalgo, have this strange contempt and feeling of superiority to the fandom that I think is partly at the root of the problem. Until there’s a major change in the committee, I don’t see much to be hopeful about.
Perhaps the one light has been Dave Filoni, who does *get Star Wars, albeit with an important asterisk that he does differ from Lucas’s interpretation of the story. In the end though, asking for Star Wars to be 100% faithful to everything George Lucas is an impossible task now, because inevitably every new creative will bring something to the table that differs. We really only have now Star Wars according to x.
There’s a part of me that wishes George had never sold Lucasfilm to Disney, even if it meant the end of the company and no new Star Wars going forward. The other side of the coin is what Camille Paglia said in an interview a couple years ago:
I told a TV interviewer in Toronto several weeks ago that a parallel could be drawn with Homer’s epics about the Trojan War, the Iliad and the Odyssey, which date from around 750 B.C. For centuries afterward, Homer inspired hundreds of imitators churning out second- and third-rate poems about the Troy saga. It wasn’t until Vergil wrote the Aeneid shortly before the birth of Christ that there was another major epic about the Trojan War that reached the same level of brilliance as Homer’s originals. The same thing here—sure, there might be some bland or mediocre Star Wars films for a while, but then some day, a film-maker of genius will come along who is Lucas’ true artistic heir. I suspect that only a corporate enterprise of Disney’s size and scale can ensure that the creative matrix for Star Wars will survive until that pivotal, redeeming moment.
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Post by smittysgelato on Feb 4, 2024 20:40:58 GMT
Difficult question I for one largely disapprove of the direction Kathleen Kennedy and the Story Group (whoever they are) have taken the franchise in, where it feels like it’s become a means to an end. They don’t seem to get Star Wars at a fundamental level, and some of the LFL employees like Pablo Hidalgo, have this strange contempt and feeling of superiority to the fandom that I think is partly at the root of the problem. Until there’s a major change in the committee, I don’t see much to be hopeful about. Perhaps the one light has been Dave Filoni, who does *get Star Wars, albeit with an important asterisk that he does differ from Lucas’s interpretation of the story. In the end though, asking for Star Wars to be 100% faithful to everything George Lucas is an impossible task now, because inevitably every new creative will bring something to the table that differs. We really only have now Star Wars according to x. There’s a part of me that wishes George had never sold Lucasfilm to Disney, even if it meant the end of the company and no new Star Wars going forward. The other side of the coin is what Camille Paglia said in an interview a couple years ago: I told a TV interviewer in Toronto several weeks ago that a parallel could be drawn with Homer’s epics about the Trojan War, the Iliad and the Odyssey, which date from around 750 B.C. For centuries afterward, Homer inspired hundreds of imitators churning out second- and third-rate poems about the Troy saga. It wasn’t until Vergil wrote the Aeneid shortly before the birth of Christ that there was another major epic about the Trojan War that reached the same level of brilliance as Homer’s originals. The same thing here—sure, there might be some bland or mediocre Star Wars films for a while, but then some day, a film-maker of genius will come along who is Lucas’ true artistic heir. I suspect that only a corporate enterprise of Disney’s size and scale can ensure that the creative matrix for Star Wars will survive until that pivotal, redeeming moment.
This is exactly why Lucas sold to Disney. He felt there needed to be a large entity to protect it. Not just anyone can get their hands on Star Wars now. One good thing Disney has done is not allowing the Prequel haters to delete the Prequels from the canon. And yes. Dave Filoni is the best thing Star Wars has going at the moment. I don't care about the Rey movie, but I am invested in Filoni's Star Wars stories. That being said, I can imagine someone topping Filoni in the future.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Feb 5, 2024 1:07:42 GMT
would it be better if Star Wars (ie live action) stopped being made?
No, in theory. It should stopped being mass produced.
Dedifferentiate for us between produced and mass produced? My understanding is that anything made by a major (ie billion-dollar) Hollywood studio is inherently mass produced.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Feb 5, 2024 1:27:17 GMT
This is exactly why Lucas sold to Disney. He felt there needed to be a large entity to protect it. Not just anyone can get their hands on Star Wars now. One good thing Disney has done is not allowing the Prequel haters to delete the Prequels from the canon.
Oh, I don't know, Cryogenic has well-documented the appalling attitude that existed between Disney and the PT after they purchased it. I tell you, the situation was so dire I remember it being like a moment of joy when something PT could be uttered in public without an abusive commentary attached to it. Things were that bad that we had to accept crumbs, which we never should have. Then they had to nerve to try to cover it up, to cynically revise history and pretend they weren't so hideously abusive. "Be thankful !!!!!!!" they would say with their artificial smiles, bursting out to be turned into a natural frown. As if we had anything to be thankful for...
On Naberrie Fields, we don't forget and we don't forgive.
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Post by smittysgelato on Feb 5, 2024 2:36:05 GMT
This is exactly why Lucas sold to Disney. He felt there needed to be a large entity to protect it. Not just anyone can get their hands on Star Wars now. One good thing Disney has done is not allowing the Prequel haters to delete the Prequels from the canon.
Oh, I don't know, Cryogenic has well-documented the appalling attitude that existed between Disney and the PT after they purchased it. I tell you, the situation was so dire I remember it being like a moment of joy when something PT could be uttered in public without an abusive commentary attached to it. Things were that bad that we had to accept crumbs, which we never should have. Then they had to nerve to try to cover it up, to cynically revise history and pretend they weren't so hideously abusive. "Be thankful !!!!!!!" they would say with their artificial smiles, bursting out to be turned into a natural frown. As if we had anything to be thankful for...
On Naberrie Fields, we don't forget and we don't forgive.
I don't think what I said above disagrees with anything you have said here. It is true that Disney's approach to the making and marketing of The Force Awakens was a clear break with the Prequels, that being said, when Disney decided to designate the EU as non-canon, the Prequels were spared the same fate. Like I said, that is one good thing Disney has done.
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Post by jppiper on Feb 5, 2024 6:30:51 GMT
smittysgelatoIncluding most of the older content from the 80's (The cartoons and Ewok Movies) and the Cone Wars Micro-Series on Disney+
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Post by Ingram on Feb 5, 2024 10:08:28 GMT
No, in theory. It should stopped being mass produced. Dedifferentiate for us between produced and mass produced? My understanding is that anything made by a major (ie billion-dollar) Hollywood studio is inherently mass produced.
I'm not referring to, say, the worldwide distribution that comes naturally with a major studio but rather Star Wars itself as storied-universe content being fragmented and accessorized into assorted packages well to the point of routine over something genuinely personal/artistic. Stroll down any cookie aisle in a US Walmart and observe the gluttony of various flavored Oreo family-sized packs:
- dark chocolate - chocolate creme - peanut butter creme - java chip - toffee crunch - lemon - lemon ice - blueberry ice - orange ice - mint - cool mint creme - brownie batter - birthday cake - white fudge - cookie dough - strawberry milkshake - strawberry cheesecake - coconut delight - banana split - gingerbread - pumpkin spice - fruit punch - green tea - berry bubblegum - root beer float - jalapeno beef - Dairy Queen blizzard - candy cane - candy corn - cotton candy - Neapolitan - watermelon - caramel apple - shark meat - red velvet - s'mores - key lime pie - NyQuill cough syrup - carrot cake - cherry cola - hazelnut - copper penny - PB&J - cinnamon bun - beets - butterscotch - tap water - vanilla
Thus concludes my analogy for the day. Exaggerated ad absurdum for effect, of course, yet I think the point lands. Note: some flavors listed may or may not be of my own invention.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Feb 5, 2024 11:03:31 GMT
I could live on that tap water creme.
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