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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 21, 2022 18:19:00 GMT
That’s simply not true at all. I’ve never interpreted being “the learner” in a hyper literalist Padawan sense. He’s clearly alluding to the fact that the last time they met he almost died and Obi-Wan had the final upper hand. Hyper literalist, what's that supposed to mean? You're bending language. It's a clear contradiction. Anakin is not a padowan or learner or apprentice or whatever synonym of your choice in ROTS. He's a qualified Jedi, albeit not a master and one who gets on the Council by dubious political interference. Look at how Obi-Wan refers to him as a brother on Mustfar. It's no longer the deferring relationship of AOTC, it's changed significantly over the war. In Anakin's mind, when he was around Obi-Wan, he was always the learner, always the inferior. But having spent years apart from Obi-Wan, reformed as Darth Vader, he no longer considers himself below Obi-Wan or grasping to catch up. The series can still give this line a rounded meaning because it's set ten years before ANH. It is, in fact, a midquel. "Leaving", however, implies a definitive split or parting. We'll just have to see how the last episode tackles everything. Lucas certainly revised one or two pieces of his inchoate mythology in the prequels. In many ways, this is why they have always seemed "better" than the OT movies to me. They take that raw, crude material of the implied backstory and make it intricate, fascinating, nuanced, real. You can't really picture a movie like AOTC just from watching the OT. It's like that movie came out of nowhere. Pretty much every scene of the PT is quietly retconning or recontextualising something. |
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jun 21, 2022 18:51:45 GMT
I’m on Episode 5 now, ready for the finale.
I liked these two episodes much more than the third one. It’s nice to see Obi-Wan regain a bit of the confidence he had lost, and I think Reva’s character now makes sense. I still think this should have been a movie, and that the long form narrative tv show format doesn’t really suit Star Wars that well. TCW and Rebels worked because they followed the fast paced nature of the films.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 21, 2022 18:54:17 GMT
This Obi-Wan is lacking resonance, and I think one article that I saw said well how this depiction is almost pointless because the end of RotS leads so well to the beginning of ANH. The show's portrayal doesn't really connect with either. Obi-Wan was hopeful at the end of RotS, so why is he so down in this series? The last episode has to pull off a miracle for the series to have any connectivity or reason for existing in the first place.
Because he's spent 10 years in hiding. Why has he had to hide? Because the Republic has been overthrown, and the Jedi Order smashed, and he was on its Council, making him a prime target. The Empire is trying to hunt down all the remaining stragglers, as it's a threat to their monopoly on power. We know that Obi-Wan, rightly or wrongly, feels a lot of guilt over Anakin's turn. On Mustfar, during their final duel, we see him declare "I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you" in a very mournful manner. It's logical then that this would still be on his mind post-ROTS. The people suggesting he's all stoic and passed Anakin at the end of ROTS are watching another film, just look at his body language.
Someone who goes through the trauma of a war, or a political coup, doesn't easily forget it years later. Neither does Obi-Wan. Everything about the life he lived has fallen to pieces, we got a whole trilogy showing it. He's living on a prayer with Luke, it's all he's got left. We learn he also cares about Leia, why are some people so hung up over this? He was a friend of her mother, of course he cares.
I was disappointed by that video also, but I thought the comments were nice. And it just reillustrated how majestic even those short clips of the prequels are in comparison to the show it's actually promoting. The comments really only focus on the flashback, so I think they do say something about the quality of that one scene. It is the clear stand out fan favorite from the series, which I hope Disney takes note of.
It's a short promotional video among several others, I don't understand all the ire in this thread towards it. It's nice that the two guys look back fondly on their days making the PT, would you prefer it to be otherwise?
And Obi-Wan was a Jedi General, let's not forget. All these comments here trying to suggest he's some pacifist icon are silly. Jedi have never been afraid of using physical force when appropriate. We see this only a few minutes into Episode I when the negotiations with the Trade Federation turn sour. In this series, thankfully, he's not the coward that Luke is portrayed in TLJ. He's a man who can get back on his feet and lead by example, and yet is still haunted by his past. There's no out of place Marvel humour from him either, he still has great respect for his Jedi traditions.
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Jun 21, 2022 18:58:16 GMT
I think it’s fine that we see Obi-Wan broken in this show- he’s still the same character we saw in the movies. It’s not a huge break of the psyche as we saw with Luke in TLJ, where the character becomes an unrecognizable nihilist.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 21, 2022 20:45:05 GMT
I still think this should have been a movie, and that the long form narrative tv show format doesn’t really suit Star Wars that well. TCW and Rebels worked because they followed the fast paced nature of the films. Right. Watching "Solo" for the first time a few nights back really brought that notion home. The proper place for Star Wars is the big screen. It can't really express its full majesty on the little one, and a certain tedium can take hold, rendering the material insipid and narrow. Star Wars is a sexy, gleaming sportscar on the big screen. In the land of television, it's more like a Lada, or a milk float. I was disappointed by that video also, but I thought the comments were nice. And it just reillustrated how majestic even those short clips of the prequels are in comparison to the show it's actually promoting. The comments really only focus on the flashback, so I think they do say something about the quality of that one scene. It is the clear stand out fan favorite from the series, which I hope Disney takes note of. It's a short promotional video among several others, I don't understand all the ire in this thread towards it. It's nice that the two guys look back fondly on their days making the PT, would you prefer it to be otherwise? "All the ire"? Come on, Seeker and I expressed mild befuddlement/disapproval, nothing more. That promotional video is obviously a puff piece. But not a very good one. It lends the impression of a degree of desperation and/or outright laziness on Disney's part. They're so into milking things for nostalgia, they think releasing a one-minute, forty-one-second promo video, which uses three fade transitions in the first eight seconds, is all the effort they need to make. With material that skimpy, they're treating fans with contempt. A title like "Memory Lane" also implies a reasonable sit-down of Hayden and Ewan chewing the cud, but it isn't that at all. They feature in the piece for all of thirty seconds. The rest of it is just a playback reel of PT and Obi-Wan Kenobi footage. Maybe you're so dazzled by the idea of seeing Hayden and Ewan again, you don't care how short or trivial anything featuring them actually is. Some fans might just want a bit more effort and substance. I mean, compare this: Title: Memory Lane | Obi-Wan Kenobi | Disney+ Channel: Star Wars Date: 15 Jun 2022 Duration: 01:41 Views: 375,450 Comments: 1,399 With this: Title: Ewan McGregor: "The Prequels were underrated" | Agree to Disagree | @ladbible TV Channel: LADbible TV Date: 24 May 2022 Duration: 10:39 Views: 4,937,906 Comments: 11,204 How ridiculous that a channel like LADbible TV gets it right and offers a short but watchable video clocking in at just under eleven minutes, while the official Star Wars channel only uploads one not even lasting two minutes (and then floods it with franchise footage instead of featuring the actors themselves). Hayden and Ewan should have lots of memories to share about their time making the prequels, but as usual, Disney doesn't want to explore it. Even though the Star Wars channel video is newer and has had less time to accumulate views and comments, I think the popularity of the LADbible TV one proves that Disney can be pretty clueless and useless when it comes to YouTube Star Wars content. Fans and other media outlets do a better job than a multibillion-dollar entertainment conglomerate. Ponder the irony of that one. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 21, 2022 20:53:10 GMT
The LADBible one is far superior, I'm not denying that, there is no comparison, that one is a gem and I'm thrilled it's already at 5 million hits. If the video you and Seeker dislike were the only in-house promotion Disney released, then sure, I'd also be befuddled, but I'm not because it's one of many they've produced and the better stuff also includes Ingram, so the 3 actors.
Give the interviews I linked to a little bit back ago, I promise you it's not all a rethread of previous points, there's some new things. I don't include interviews that are carbon copies of better ones.
Question to everyone: what are hoping for in the final episode?
I'm going to go for:
- Qui-Gon force ghost
- The mother of all Padmé references during a Vader-Obi-Wan confrontation.
- Darth Vader with a malfunctioning suit during the big fight
- More iconic one-liners from grumpy Uncle Owen
There's a lot to fit in including dropping Leia off on Alderaan and ensuring Reva doesn't get to kill Luke, so I'm aware that another flashback sequence, preferably from the Clone War era, may be asking too much, so I don't demand it. I'm not bothered about the big fight not living up to the Mustafar battle of the heroes either. I think it's totally unreasonable with a suited Darth Vader and his cape. You also have to bare in mind that McGregor is probably not as quick as he used to be.
I see Christensen and Chow are promoting the final episode in Canada today. This gives me the hunch that we're either getting another Anakin flashback or a helmet-less Vader. He only started acting properly in the last one, there has to be something in this too.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 21, 2022 21:24:03 GMT
I’m on Episode 5 now, ready for the finale. I liked these two episodes much more than the third one. It’s nice to see Obi-Wan regain a bit of the confidence he had lost, and I think Reva’s character now makes sense. I still think this should have been a movie, and that the long form narrative tv show format doesn’t really suit Star Wars that well. TCW and Rebels worked because they followed the fast paced nature of the films.
I see it differently. I would say the argument can be made that it awkwardly tries, forces itself, to become a thriller, when it could be better served as a slower-burn, character study. Chow did quote Joker and Logan as inspiration, after all. If a movie could have provided that then, wow, we're missing out, but I sincerely doubt it would have gone there, as Star Wars tends not to go that way, especially not in film - it's locked on the dashing adventure format. ROTS is the closest thing we've ever gotten to a character study in the mythology, notice how the middle act is Coruscant-centric, it is very drama-esque (we literally have a scene at the opera), and perhaps that's a large part of why I adore it so much, especially as I get older.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 21, 2022 21:37:59 GMT
I’m on Episode 5 now, ready for the finale. I liked these two episodes much more than the third one. It’s nice to see Obi-Wan regain a bit of the confidence he had lost, and I think Reva’s character now makes sense. I still think this should have been a movie, and that the long form narrative tv show format doesn’t really suit Star Wars that well. TCW and Rebels worked because they followed the fast paced nature of the films. I see it differently. I would say the argument can be made that it awkwardly tries, forces itself, to become a thriller, when it could be better served as a slower-burn, character study. Chow did quote Joker and Logan as inspiration, after all. If a movie could have provided that then, wow, we're missing out, but I sincerely doubt it would have gone there, as Star Wars tends not to go that way, especially not in film - it's locked on the dashing adventure format. ROTS is the closest thing we've ever gotten to a character study in the mythology, notice how the middle act is Coruscant-centric, it is very drama-esque (we literally have a scene at the opera), and perhaps that's a large part of why I adore it so much, especially as I get older.
We should have gotten an engrossing character study out of this, or at least an adventure escapade that is still a decent character portrait, with many characters interacting and the title one still coming across strongly (like the aforementioned "Solo" movie). Instead, it feels like Obi-Wan's character has become lost -- almost irrelevant -- amidst a flurry of distracting focus on Vader, Reva, and boring scenes with Tala (at least she's dead now) and the dull-as-anything rebels. Chow citing "Joker" and "Logan" as influences was misleading. The first couple of episodes that comprised the series' debut did feel that way. The series has really gone awry since then, in my opinion. ROTS is the absolute boss of balancing character study elements with a delightful, surging sense of drama. The Kenobi series is nowhere near it -- not in look, tone, elegance, intensity, concision, pathos, or imagination. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 21, 2022 21:53:00 GMT
We should have gotten an engrossing character study out of this, or at least an adventure escapade that is still a decent character portrait, with many characters interacting and the title one still coming across strongly (like the aforementioned "Solo" movie). Instead, it feels like Obi-Wan's character has become lost -- almost irrelevant -- amidst a flurry of distracting focus on Vader, Reva, and boring scenes with Tala (at least she's dead now) and the dull-as-anything rebels. Chow citing "Joker" and "Logan" as influences was misleading.
It had to focus on Vader, what are talking about? He's the antagonist of this Dark Times part of the timeline, and its just as well because he also has a history with Obi-Wan. You can't make a character drama without the input of a supporting cast.
Reva's significance certainly fell out of place in the first two episodes, that she knew about Anakin threw a lot of fans off, who've been struggling ever since. The forth episode was filler, that's where Obi-Wan's character really was drowned out. The most recent episode, however, has brought an explanation to it, and I'm relatively satisfied with it. My theory for why Reva is being relied on so much comes back to what I said before about the character DNA of Darth Vader: for all his imposing, dreaded stature, he is a one trick pony and you cannot get emotion out him. The strong, silent type is only suitable when there's no mask.
Look how the fanboys reacted to Lucas attempt to get Vader speaking on a more personal level in ROTS. They detest anything to do with it - to them Vader doesn't care about any human relationships, they're barely on board with his redemption in ROTJ as is. Give this, the writers tend to turn to new characters like Reva to fill the void.
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Post by Ingram on Jun 21, 2022 21:54:35 GMT
Question to everyone: what are hoping for in the final episode? - an uptick in the otherwise bland scoring that was hinted in the last episode
- no scenes with little kid Luke
- that in the middle of their saber duel, Reva gives the Grand Inquisitor a swift kick to the nuts
- a present day Obi-Wan Kenobi smile
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 21, 2022 22:10:18 GMT
Oh shxt it's all coming out tonight. This calls for an absurd marathon viewing order!
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 21, 2022 22:12:22 GMT
We should have gotten an engrossing character study out of this, or at least an adventure escapade that is still a decent character portrait, with many characters interacting and the title one still coming across strongly (like the aforementioned "Solo" movie). Instead, it feels like Obi-Wan's character has become lost -- almost irrelevant -- amidst a flurry of distracting focus on Vader, Reva, and boring scenes with Tala (at least she's dead now) and the dull-as-anything rebels. Chow citing "Joker" and "Logan" as influences was misleading. It had to focus on Vader, what are talking about? It didn't. That's your first mistake, my young Padawan. The series is meant to be about Obi-Wan. Vader is Obi-Wan's past, Luke and Leia are his future. Whenever you import Darth Vader into a piece of Star Wars media, he tends to overwhelm it. Obi-Wan and Vader didn't even have to meet in this series, let alone having Obi-Wan narrowly (and rather conveniently) evading his former apprentice in two episodes now (three and five). A really tight and focused character study could practically have dispensed with Vader altogether. It would instead have been about Obi-Wan picking up the pieces and getting to grips with the reality of having to face Anakin again one day (i.e., ANH). But they wanted to maximise viewing figures and social media buzz so they decided to plug Vader into it, along with Reva and the other Inquisitors. I'd have been fine with it if the writing, cinematography, and direction were better than they've turned out to be. Of all the Disney content I've seen and legitimately enjoyed, "Solo" comes as welcome relief because Vader forms no part of its narrative, proving that it is possible to make a Star Wars thing that links to the trilogies without him. Here, I think, they went for some low-hanging fruit, and it has come at the expense of a properly-delineated and honest-to-goodness character study of Obi-Wan himself. |
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Post by jppiper on Jun 21, 2022 22:28:53 GMT
We should have gotten an engrossing character study out of this, or at least an adventure escapade that is still a decent character portrait, with many characters interacting and the title one still coming across strongly (like the aforementioned "Solo" movie). Instead, it feels like Obi-Wan's character has become lost -- almost irrelevant -- amidst a flurry of distracting focus on Vader, Reva, and boring scenes with Tala (at least she's dead now) and the dull-as-anything rebels. Chow citing "Joker" and "Logan" as influences was misleading.
It had to focus on Vader, what are talking about? He's the antagonist of this Dark Times part of the timeline, and its just as well because he also has a history with Obi-Wan. You can't make a character drama without the input of a supporting cast.
Reva's significance certainly fell out of place in the first two episodes, that she knew about Anakin threw a lot of fans off, who've been struggling ever since. The forth episode was filler, that's where Obi-Wan's character really was drowned out. The most recent episode, however, has brought an explanation to it, and I'm relatively satisfied with it. My theory for why Reva is being relied on so much comes back to what I said before about the character DNA of Darth Vader: for all his imposing, dreaded stature, he is a one trick pony and you cannot get emotion out him. The strong, silent type is only suitable when there's no mask.
Look how the fanboys reacted to Lucas attempt to get Vader speaking on a more personal level in ROTS. They detest anything to do with it - to them Vader doesn't care about any human relationships, they're barely on board with his redemption in ROTJ as is. Give this, the writers tend to turn to new characters like Reva to fill the void.
One of Those Fanboys being J.J Abrams. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 21, 2022 23:36:25 GMT
It didn't. That's your first mistake, my young Padawan. The series is meant to be about Obi-Wan. Vader is Obi-Wan's past, Luke and Leia are his future. Whenever you import Darth Vader into a piece of Star Wars media, he tends to overwhelm it. Obi-Wan and Vader didn't even have to meet in this series, let alone having Obi-Wan narrowly (and rather conveniently) evading his former apprentice in two episodes now (three and five). A really tight and focused character study could practically have dispensed with Vader altogether. It would instead have been about Obi-Wan picking up the pieces and getting to grips with the reality of having to face Anakin again one day (i.e., ANH).
I completely and utterly disagree. Anakin or Darth Vader is an integral part of Obi-Wan's life story. He doesn't simply move on from him like it was a picnic. For someone who enjoyed the more extreme form of a down and out man in TLJ, I find your nose-cocking at this to be extraordinary. If Obi-Wan wanted to cut himself completely free of Anakin, he would never have helped out with minding his son - there is an attachment there. There is no reason to do a character study otherwise, unless you think Satine could have offered a better driving force? Better watch TCW for that one first 
In-universe, there was no certainty that Obi-Wan would ever face his old apprentice again, let alone on Death Star number 1. Events aren't set in stone, a lot of random and coincidental things occur. As I said a while back, the characters don't have the luxury of having the crystal that we all have in prequels. Obi-Wan has put all his faith in Luke in tackling Vader, the Emperor and whomever else in the future. It's quite a far-fetched hope when you think of it, expecting one boy to single-handedly take down an empire. And an Empire lead by a Sith who made mince meat of the whole Jedi Order at that. This is what makes Uncle Owen a good character, he provides a helpful amount of cynicism.
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Post by Cryogenic on Jun 22, 2022 0:17:39 GMT
It didn't. That's your first mistake, my young Padawan. The series is meant to be about Obi-Wan. Vader is Obi-Wan's past, Luke and Leia are his future. Whenever you import Darth Vader into a piece of Star Wars media, he tends to overwhelm it. Obi-Wan and Vader didn't even have to meet in this series, let alone having Obi-Wan narrowly (and rather conveniently) evading his former apprentice in two episodes now (three and five). A really tight and focused character study could practically have dispensed with Vader altogether. It would instead have been about Obi-Wan picking up the pieces and getting to grips with the reality of having to face Anakin again one day (i.e., ANH). I completely and utterly disagree. Anakin or Darth Vader is an integral part of Obi-Wan's life story. He doesn't simply move on from him like it was a picnic. For someone who enjoyed the more extreme form of a down and out man in TLJ, I find your nose-cocking at this to be extraordinary. If Obi-Wan wanted to cut himself completely free of Anakin, he would never have helped out with minding his son - there is an attachment there. There is no reason to do a character study otherwise, unless you think Satine could have offered a better driving force? Better watch TCW for that one first Heh. You kinda got me on that one. I was lamenting, I suppose, the way the villainous intrigue between Reva and Vader, as good as it is, sort of overshadowed Obi-Wan's story in the last two episodes (four and five). In theory, an Obi-Wan series could have come close to excluding Vader, or at least skipping some of the Machiavellian scheming between the villains; even if that kinda makes Star Wars what it is. But look, I've become too pulled into negativity again, these last couple of pages, and now I wanna cut that shit out and get ready for the sixth episode. Me and the Obi-Wan series? In the words of Kylo Ren: We're not done yet. |
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Post by Darkslayer on Jun 22, 2022 3:07:46 GMT
LESS THAN FOUR HOURS!
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Jun 22, 2022 3:33:57 GMT
Very ballsy move from Chow to go with AOTC rather ROTS Anakin. It points to a lot of trust in the actor. I would have easily gone with the latter, where the longer hair and makeup makes it much easier.
Whilst I do think Hayden could do with some de-ageing in the opening shot (forehead especially), I do think he shapes up very well when we look at this comparison. This is as good as it gets:
Also, they're almost certainly going to milk this scene in Part VI:
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Jun 22, 2022 4:06:38 GMT
Also, the return of Qi Gong Djinn.
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Post by Ingram on Jun 22, 2022 9:40:51 GMT
"Which reminds me, I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn-fool idealistic crusade like your father did. ...It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon for a more civilized age. For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic, before the dark times, before the Empire."
"What's that other one over there, with the freaky looking handle-guard?"
"Oh, that one I got from this black chick."
- The sooner Roken exited the proceedings, the better. Yet another boring character.
- Young Luke looked weird. Could they not have found a slightly more convincing likeness?
- The score, while discernibly half-scaled in orchestra, finally came into its own here for the most part.
- The only thing lamer than lame are speed-ramped flashbacks as an inspirational token for our hero. - When Beru pulled shotguns out from behind the sprinkler pipes, I laughed. Not sure why, I just laughed.
- Alas, no showdown between Reva and the Grand Inquisitor. Both character's conclude poorly, in fact. GI just sorta disappears from the whole thing while Reva... it's like the writers didn't really know what else to do with her. We're left with this underwhelming conclusion that forecasted itself 30-minutes out: obviously her presence upon the Lars homestead will be of zero consequence, so then she's reduced to a scuffle with moisture farmers where some pottery is kicked around before lumbering after a little kid for a stint (and in poor lighting). I mean, the character arc is not without story-logic, sure; they could have gone in other directions but, either way, what resulted was rather uninventive and just felt like more time-run filler cut intermittently with the Main Event.
- The Main Event. It wasn't bad, actually. The planetary backdrop made up for anemic Mapuzo where those cathedral-like stone spires were reminiscent of Geonosis that, at night, also had a faint Forbidden Planet feel to it. I don't really care about the storied continuity proxy to Episodes III and IV, whether or not Obi-Wan opposite Vader should or shouldn't be at power-level X and vice versa etc. As a self-contained dramatic stage that muses on its own terms a confrontation between the two, I thought the filmmakers made the most of it. Surprisingly, not even the hand-held dismayed me all that much. The actual choreography was contained, just in raw, furious form as opposed to the blandly nondescript shot edits and camera jittering that plagued the previous episode. The extended sequence in its visceral aim wasn't all that dissimilar to the Kryptonian melee in Snyder's Man of Steel; not my ideal choice but it does have certain theoretical qualities that ultimately proved apt here. And Obi-Wan rock 'n' rolling against Vader admittedly, for the first time in this series, struck a cinematic height singular and complete onto itself—all things space opera & comic-strip finally grasped then unleashed with an effect legitimately "astounding" in the old pulp sense of the word. It wasn't quite Sidious hurling senate chamber pods, but fuck off if it wasn't in the spirit of.
- A part of me is at peace now, given the fact that the Episode IX no longer holds claim to Ian McDiarmid's final appearance as The Emperor. Adios, TROS, and all your horseshit.
- And so on and so forth, Obi-Wan says farewell to Leia in a nicely presented moment -- clean framing, orig musical theme, salute to the Saga -- even where I steadily remain take-it-or-leave-it with Leia as an element of this show. It did revive a certain tone of the PT and, yes, Ob-Wan smiles. Chuckles, even.
- Qui-Gon Jinn = tacked-on fin. I for one coulda done without. It just felt like a box that was checked.
- Lastly, there's been a lot of back and forth in this thread about the handling of Obi-Wan himself as a character, being studious enough or not, central enough or wasted. Myself? It's fine. I thought his character was consistently fine across the board. He was reliable as an expository device whenever the narrative was running thin and affecting with measured pathos where such moments finally surfaced. His final look upon Vader beneath the mask yielded a reaction from McGregor's performance that said all that needed to be said about the ENTIRETY of post-PT/pre-OT Obi-Wan Kenobi as a concept (even if none of this outside the Saga needed to be said in the first place, arguably).
So that's it for the mini-series. Are they really doing a second season, though, or did I hear that wrong? I can't imagine where else they can go with the material, unless they just up and call it Reva. Oh, by the way, none of this ever actually happened in (or in-between) the Saga. It's just a Disney+ fan-made show ...that doesn't suck.
The important thing to take away here is that Indiana Jones 5 comes out next summer.
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Post by darkspine10 on Jun 22, 2022 13:58:35 GMT
The rematch in this episode felt perfucntory, a contractually obligated event with no stakes. The chosen arena didn't lend itself to any cool visuals or heightened action. I didn't even feel that emotional, the whole thing felt too predictable. Brief as it was, the duel in ep 3 at least had the 'Obi-Wan in the fire' moment, which did feel like a cathartic gap for Vader to fill, and highlighted his cruelty. I feel like other Vader media has already told this story beat better, such as Twilight of the Apprentice.
On the other side of the plot, I did actually quite enjoy Owen and Beru vs. Reva. The injuries Reva sustained made her weaker and more desperate, allowing Owen's practicality to get a few strikes in of his own. Was nice to get a force user against a regular person, without the deck feeling too stacked in either's favour. Though again, Twin Suns in Rebels did it with a lighter touch, and kept Obi-Wan at the heart of things. I don't want to keep comparing this to other things, but the deriviativness was hard for me avoid thinking of.
Overall though, this show just felt underwhelming. I don't feel like it did any deep explorations into Obi-Wan's character, Vader too felt flat (outside the 5th episode with the flashback and his impetuousness losing the day). I didn't get much out of the worlds or plots, which were very standard infiltrations and escapes. The show just kind of exists, not offending me, but not engaging me much either.
If there is a potential second season, and it shys far away from the angst of Vader or interacting with the twins, to focus instead on Qui-Gon and trippy force lore... I might actually find that a more interesting concept. As it is, meh is about the best I can muster.
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