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Post by jppiper on May 11, 2022 21:45:05 GMT
An additional thought: I won't be surprised if this series leads to a series of Vader's own. So I don't think we've seen the last of Hayden as Vader once Obi-Wan is over.
They cling real tightly to the use Vader sparingly doctrine. A whole series dedicated to him would really be sticking it to that. And fans would be demanding immense violence, most probably too much violence. Is a slaughterfest all that meaningful?
On the other hand, they have already made a series about a faceless character in the bounty hunter that is The Mandalorian. So the mask wouldn't be an impediment, but the fact that he cannot loose face, if you'll excuse the pun, makes him very tricky. You can have an Anakin or a Luke struggling or failing, but God forbid, you cannot have a Vader showing the slightest sign of weakness or emotion, or so it goes. Just look at how the fanboys already reacted to his despairing "No!" at the end of ROTS for a preview.
A) Can't have a series without the protagonist undergoing some hardship. Basic narrative logic.
B) Can't have a Vader showing weakness.
Given these two rules are so contradictory, how do you get a Vader series? Are we trying to convince a sprinter to become a marathon runner?
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Post by Cryogenic on May 11, 2022 21:45:34 GMT
I actually think that Rey being adopted into the Skywalker clan was kind of inevitable. So I don't really see it as a rebrand. That's sort of my view, too. It's a different spin on the whole concept, but it makes sense. Where the series title sounds a bit diminutive, however, is for what Arch Duke pointed out: The original Star Wars Saga was the firstest with the mostest. Now, however, we're made to swallow the idea it's just one saga, one particular set of movies, one item of things to consume, among many. And I agree that that doesn't sit entirely right. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 11, 2022 21:50:21 GMT
I'm definitely on board with the idea that Star Wars is not a brand or a commodity no matter how much Disney treats it as such. It is a sacred text that belongs on the shelf along with Gilgamesh, the Bible, The Iliad, The Odyssey, The Aeneid, The Metamorphoses, Dante's Commedia, Paradise Lost, Blake's Poetry, Jung's Red Book, The Lord of the Rings, etc. etc.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 11, 2022 21:57:21 GMT
As more stories are rolled out that don't involve the Skywalkers, especially future films, they're going to have to have a name to differentiate them from everything else.
It's a subtle act of belittling, Smithy. This is being passive aggressive at its finest.
I'm very sorry, but as a prequel fan, I find it insulting. It's basically saying "OK, we had you, now we're moving onto a new family or timeline, which will be an equal to you". For me, it's hold on a minute, let's remember how George Lucas conceived of Star Wars, let's listen to how he describes Episodes I-VI.
Fair enough if you want to go out and do your Old Republic thing, or whatever, how many thousands of years before, but please show some respect.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 11, 2022 22:00:08 GMT
Nothing will be equal to the George Lucas Sextet, regardless of what they call it (my preferred nomenclature due to Lucas' fondness for musical metaphors).
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Post by Cryogenic on May 11, 2022 22:20:15 GMT
As more stories are rolled out that don't involve the Skywalkers, especially future films, they're going to have to have a name to differentiate them from everything else. It's a subtle act of belittling, Smithy. This is being passive aggressive at its finest.
I'm very sorry, but as a prequel fan, I find it insulting. It's basically saying "OK, we had you, now we're moving onto a new family or timeline, which will be an equal to you". For me, it's hold on a minute, let's remember how George Lucas conceived of Star Wars, let's listen to how he describes Episodes I-VI. Fair enough if you want to go out and do your Old Republic thing, or whatever, how many thousands of years before, but please show some respect.
Yeah, it's a bit like calling the plays of Shakespeare "The Elizabethan Saga". Nothing will be equal to the George Lucas Sextet, regardless of what they call it (my preferred nomenclature due to Lucas' fondness for musical metaphors). I like that. That and "The GL6". Sounds like an old Ford Mustang or something. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 11, 2022 22:20:22 GMT
To use another analogy, and I might as well considering how sacred fans consider Star Wars; the Gospels are the fundamental pillar of the New Testament. All the other books in there may be important, but are still derivative nonetheless.
I consider I-VI to be Gospel. Or being very prequelist: the OT is the Old Testament, the PT the Gospels, TCW the Acts (Dave Filoni as the chief apostle). The sequels are the Gnostic texts, throw them away, not reliable 
I'd say one can say similar things about Tolkien, Herbert, or even Hindu sacred texts.
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Post by Ingram on May 11, 2022 22:29:51 GMT
I don't mind referring to the Saga as "The Skywalker Saga." As more stories are rolled out that don't involve the Skywalkers, especially future films, they're going to have to have a name to differentiate them from everything else.
The governing body of football in England is called The Football Association (the FA). There is no "English" in the title. It is allowed do so because it was the first, it was the original. No differentiation required, it's an act of reverence.
The Saga it stays!
Concur.
I only refer to it at length as Lucas' six-part Saga, but that's just me.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 11, 2022 22:30:52 GMT
I think I've been outvoted and I'm okay with it, haha!
My allegiance is to the Republic. To democracy! - Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Post by Cryogenic on May 11, 2022 22:31:55 GMT
I think I've been outvoted and I'm okay with it, haha! My allegiance is to the Republic. To democracy! - Obi-Wan Kenobi I was gonna say... Democracy in action! |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 12, 2022 0:23:37 GMT
Live on your national television, tomorrow, Cryogenic 
Anyone got some good questions for the lads?
The promotion tour is in full swing!
I get the impression Ewan is well familiar with the love from my 90s generation ("who grew up with them"), so it would make more sense if one you older folks might make a question highlighting the fact that there are older fans too.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 12, 2022 2:29:19 GMT
Live on your national television, tomorrow, Cryogenic Anyone got some good questions for the lads? The promotion tour is in full swing!
Again?! Ewan was only on there the other week. Nice. You've pipped me to the post with that video. I was about to share it myself, having first watched it about an hour ago. I think Ewan comes across a little better there. Similar comments to before, but slightly less blunt. He still, of course, is a bit exclusionary in his language. Indeed, while many of the prequel fans speaking up now were probably children back then, Ewan's framing is too simplistic -- he's simply painting with too broad a brush. Lucas previously described a split in viewership, around the release of ROTS, as being demarcated into two main camps: over-25s and under-25s. While still reductive, that seems a bit more accurate and less condescending than the "children" thing Ewan keeps defensively falling back on. Still, it's nice to see Ewan speaking with some fondness/admiration for the prequels. I like how he affirms they all put their heart and soul into them. Good to hear those words coming from his lips. And even when he brings up his blue-screen frustrations again, he at least shades them by pointing out that Lucas was deliberately working on the cutting edge. On other occasions in which those frustrations of his have been expressed, that part has normally not been mentioned, or otherwise edited out of the interview. And I love how Hayden chips in and basically corrects Ewan, upping the passion from Ewan saying Episode III is "a really good movie" to Hayden's way stronger approbation: "It's a phenomenal film", with some disapproving body language thrown in for good measure (Hayden raises his eyebrows and shakes his head at Ewan as he says it). And the "high ground" meme getting brought up -- LOL!!! Okay, so that's basically all the things that are said, but I still feel like typing up a transcript. Videos have a habit of disappearing. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 12, 2022 3:07:39 GMT
Again?! Ewan was only on there the other week. Nice.
Promoting Star Wars? If so, you gotta share it with us all  I'm going to try to document everything I can here. Your transcript idea is a wise move, we can already see missing/privatised YouTube videos in posts barely a year old.
I love Hayden's sudden interruption too! He's very proud of that film's reverence within the fanbase, and as well he should. McDiarmid is the same. Hopefully Portman will be too one day...
I'm thrilled to see these guys on the promotion tour together - it's a verrrrry different vibe to the one-on-one interviews. I hope there's a lot more banter in store for us, it just makes my day |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 12, 2022 3:46:56 GMT
Ewan: “I like them. Episode 3 was a really good movie.”
Hayden: “It’s a phenomenal film!”
God I love Hayden so much. He is definitely best boy. This man needs to be appointed to the Order of Canada, ASAP!
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Post by Cryogenic on May 12, 2022 3:56:18 GMT
Again?! Ewan was only on there the other week. Nice. Promoting Star Wars? If so, you gotta share it with us all I did. Reply #211 in this thread. Reply #303 in the Welcome thread. Yes, transcribing, and also noting down the video details, including time and location, is always a good idea. At least we know this video is recent and comes from the PR tour in Berlin.
Ewan and Hayden spoke warmly of the film on release. I remember Ewan saying that George had tied ROTS into ANH/the OT very nicely. Perhaps he has now recovered some of his earlier enthusiasm and approval. I don't ever recall hearing much from Natalie, however.
Yes, exactly! It brings more energy and humour. And one person can uplift and remind the other. After all, movies are a team effort, aren't they? Hayden has clearly always held ROTS in high regard. I think he is an important presence in helping Ewan realise it's okay to be positive about these movies now -- that, in fact, it's always been okay. BTW, while it's The Daily Fail, here are some pictures of Ewan and Hayden in Berlin on Tuesday, looking at ease greeting fans, straight after dining there at a fancy restaurant (the Bochardt Restaurant, according to the article): www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10803377/Newlywed-Ewan-McGregor-heads-Star-Wars-star-Hayden-Christensen-Berlin.html  It's almost like 2005 again. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 12, 2022 4:54:31 GMT
Savouring all of this in case this is the last hurrah!
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Post by Cryogenic on May 12, 2022 5:11:14 GMT
Savouring all of this in case this is the last hurrah! "I know what you mean."  |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 12, 2022 5:44:17 GMT
I'm a little uneasy about being Dak in this situation. ;p
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 12, 2022 17:07:44 GMT
excuse my language but...
IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 12, 2022 18:38:20 GMT
The bromance is strong with this one.
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I'm going to try to document everything I can here. Your transcript idea is a wise move, we can already see missing/privatised YouTube videos in posts barely a year old.