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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 10, 2022 0:06:08 GMT
Yeaaaah, my homeboy and homegirl are gonna do their best to make this awesome!!!!
You are? That's pretty cool. My favourite Star Wars YouTuber, Star Wars Theory (actually just about the only one I watch when I do) is also Canadian. He lives in Vancouver. He's a hardcore prequelist.
Have you visited Christensen's farm yet? Haha.
It would be nice if we had the option of adding a national flag to our profiles.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 10, 2022 0:11:38 GMT
Oh, for the love of God. First we see Disney+ do away with the Netflix streaming model of releasing all episodes at once, now they're even prepared to bring in good old fashioned adverts. What's next, mandatory 12 month contracts?
I'm afraid we haven't "moved on" or "progressed" from cable/satellite Television whatsoever. We've only seen the consooomers been take for suckers. Slowly, but surely, streaming is morphing into cable, and the gimmick of doing things everything though the internet cUz iTs cOnVeNiEnT is wearing off. Very similar is to be said about electric cars.
My hunch would be that introducing adverts are a cynical excuse to hike up the current subscription price, dubbing it "Go add free!!!" Will we see a Facebook-style digital stalking machine generating data for those ads too?
Thank heavens I haven't been subscribed to Disney Plus since TCW came out in 2020.
Right. That's our era of late capitalism for you. What starts out as free, or at next-to-no-cost, suddenly becomes tanked up with ads, placed farther out of reach with exclusive subscription packages, or shut off behind a paywall. I'm writing these words two weeks after the richest person in the world just bought one of the biggest social media platforms on the Internet. And he himself is planning to make users pay a "slight" fee for a platform that used to be free to use. Greed always takes over in the long run. What's sickening is all these things are now happening at a time of deep austerity; where even energy company CEOs are now warning that consumers will soon be unable to pay their energy bills without falling into unsustainable levels of debt (in what is meant to be one of the richest countries on Earth). |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 10, 2022 15:35:37 GMT
There has to be some faithfulness here to the core concept and to the legacy of the prequels themselves. So, yeah. Hopefully, they've chosen a person who genuinely has some prequel blood running through their veins, and not someone merely going through the motions of respect because they're secretly far more addicted to the OT and dismissive of the PT's expanded (and expansive) canvas. We've already had more than enough of the latter from Disney/LFL these past ten years.
Good points. Chow definitely stands out as remarkable to me, given what we've had over the last 10 years, as you say. Perhaps not at the very highest standard that this forum might want, but still unambiguously sincere about the prequels all the same. The quotations from the writer show similar.
Of course, we'll have to wait to the show to truly find out. When that happens we'll also have to contend with a group of bad actors who care little about the prequels, and will simply bash Disney no matter what appears, as it is a proxy culture war to them. They will have you believe they've always been Lucas greatest defenders, that they never complained before the acquisition, so we prequelists will have to be on our toes, weary of all lies and agendas.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 10, 2022 17:45:26 GMT
Promoting the show in Berlin!
I believe this is the very first image of Ewan and Hayden together, in costume or not, since the series was announced...
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Post by smittysgelato on May 10, 2022 19:44:21 GMT
Yeaaaah, my homeboy and homegirl are gonna do their best to make this awesome!!!!
You are? That's pretty cool. My favourite Star Wars YouTuber, Star Wars Theory (actually just about the only one I watch when I do) is also Canadian. He lives in Vancouver. He's a hardcore prequelist.
Have you visited Christensen's farm yet? Haha.
It would be nice if we had the option of adding a national flag to our profiles.
I didn't know Star Wars Theory was a Vancouverite. Then again, I only watch that channel once in a blue moon. I am in British Columbia, but not the lower-mainland. The only other province I have been to is Alberta, so I have never been anywhere near Hayden's farm, which is located in Ontario. I've been to Vancouver though, which is where Hayden was born. So there's that. |
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Post by Cryogenic on May 10, 2022 20:56:49 GMT
There has to be some faithfulness here to the core concept and to the legacy of the prequels themselves. So, yeah. Hopefully, they've chosen a person who genuinely has some prequel blood running through their veins, and not someone merely going through the motions of respect because they're secretly far more addicted to the OT and dismissive of the PT's expanded (and expansive) canvas. We've already had more than enough of the latter from Disney/LFL these past ten years. Good points. Chow definitely stands out as remarkable to me, given what we've had over the last 10 years, as you say. Perhaps not at the very highest standard that this forum might want, but still unambiguously sincere about the prequels all the same. The quotations from the writer show similar. Yes, I can go with that. You make a fair point about the standards we might have here. Perhaps only Lucas can really meet them; and hey, even then... 
Excellent point. You sound like a fella who has spent a bit of time reading YouTube and Reddit comments! I do find that turnaround interesting. It's amazing that the collective tune has changed the past few years. It's even getting hard to run into the opprobrium that used to exist toward Lucas and the prequels. Oh, sure, it's still out there, but evidence of how widespread it was is fast diminishing. Newer comments, blog posts, etc., are simply drowning out all the older ones. So, yes: We have to watch for revisionist history and debunk it when we can.
Promoting the show in Berlin!
I kinda wish Ewan and Hayden were stood next to each other. Everyone looks a little oddly dressed. Baggy clothes, mostly drab and ill-matching colours. Oh, well. I wonder what Ewan thinks of looking so damn aged in the show? He looks much younger as himself there than in the promotional banner behind him. Anyway, Houston. We are a go for launch. This is very exciting, indeed. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 10, 2022 21:24:33 GMT
Well, in the show, Moses is probably going to be a kind of "go-between" for Vader and Obi-Wan, so maybe their placement in the photo makes sense. Haha.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 10, 2022 22:11:45 GMT
Well, in the show, Moses is probably going to be a kind of "go-between" for Vader and Obi-Wan, so maybe their placement in the photo makes sense. Haha. I was thinking that. In an arrangement that could be apropos of nothing, notice that Chow is stood to the side, allowing Ewan, Moses, and Hayden to form a triad. The picture gives the impression that the miniseries is really a psychodrama between those three characters/actors. Also, in another arrangement that could be apropos of nothing, notice that poster Obi-Wan is sniffing Chow's hair. Obi-Wan's secret desert squeeze? The fact they appear to have used that pose of Vader watching Leia's ship escape at the end of "Rogue One" is also a bit goofy. Anyway, whatever. Let's hope this series smokes everything else out there. |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 10, 2022 23:24:34 GMT
Well, in the show, Moses is probably going to be a kind of "go-between" for Vader and Obi-Wan, so maybe their placement in the photo makes sense. Haha. I was thinking that. In an arrangement that could be apropos of nothing, notice that Chow is stood to the side, allowing Ewan, Moses, and Hayden to form a triad. The picture gives the impression that the miniseries is really a psychodrama between those three characters/actors.
Interesting take. I'd never thought of it like that. That makes the show sound twice as exciting as it already was.
The fact they appear to have used that pose of Vader watching Leia's ship escape at the end of "Rogue One" is also a bit goofy.
Yet there are only so many ways to roll a dice, or in our case, poses that a dark lord of the sith can do, no?
People on Twitter seem to be alluding to the actors' clothes mirroring their on-screen persona:
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 10, 2022 23:55:23 GMT
I didn't know Star Wars Theory was a Vancouverite. Then again, I only watch that channel once in a blue moon. I am in British Columbia, but not the lower-mainland. The only other province I have been to is Alberta, so I have never been anywhere near Hayden's farm, which is located in Ontario. I've been to Vancouver though, which is where Hayden was born. So there's that.
He's a cool guy. He used to be fairly competitive at weightlifting back in in college. Nerds can be surprising people, you know, despite the stereotypes.
He's still pretty big into gym and fitness. And would you look at that, he's just put out a new video on his thoughts on Hayden efforts to get into shape for the series:
Between Keanu and Hayden, you Canadians sure do put out some wonderful people into the world acting. No sociopathic narcissists, that's for sure. I've never been to your country, but I have heard your province has a similar mild, rainy climate (thus survivable haha)
Cryogenic I hope we get some photos of Ewan and Hayden beside each other too. I can understand how they do would do this out of politeness to the newcomer, to maker her welcome, we'd probably do the same were we in their position, would we not? Think of how welcoming we are to the new members on this forum, we don't have a clique mentality.
It's certainly a concern, as I noted earlier, that the inquisitors hog too much screen time. We've seen so much bait and switch already in other SW, however, that I doubt they'll try that trick again. The last thing I want to see is fans throwing abuse at Moses.
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 11, 2022 13:24:58 GMT
With the release of this show fast approaching, I'm more and more getting a surreal feeling about the realization that we're getting a new chapter to the Star Wars saga, the likes of which I didn't even get when TFA was coming out. I think it has to do with the fact that, at least to me, Star Wars has always mainly been the "Tragedy of Darth Vader", so anything that didn't have Anakin/Vader as a central character felt tangential to the core saga. Solo, Rogue One (which only had Vader as a bit player) and even the numbered saga films from Disney didn't feel to me like something essential to the saga Lucas crafted. But this show, with the return of Ewan and especially Hayden to their iconic roles, feels like it has the potential to ingrain itself as part of Anakin's story. I have my reservations about how they are going to use Vader, however. They have been very coy about showing him in the trailers, so I have some worries that they're just going to roll him out for one awesome action sequence like Rogue One. But I hope we get something more substantial with the character, like him reminiscing about Padmé. Something that connects to his humanity, and that they don't just show him as an invincible badass terminator again. Hayden's recent comments have been pretty promising on that front. Vader is a complex character when handled right, and if this series has a decent amount of him in it, it may become essential viewing in saga marathons.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 11, 2022 17:24:27 GMT
I think it has to do with the fact that, at least to me, Star Wars has always mainly been the "Tragedy of Darth Vader", so anything that didn't have Anakin/Vader as a central character felt tangential to the core saga. Solo, Rogue One (which only had Vader as a bit player) and even the numbered saga films from Disney didn't feel to me like something essential to the saga Lucas crafted. Agreed. That's why I find this new made-up, anime-like phrase "Skywalker Saga" is insulting. There is only the Saga, which is his how George Lucas always referred to it.
But I hope we get something more substantial with the character, like him reminiscing about Padmé. Something that connects to his humanity, and that they don't just show him as an invincible badass terminator again. Hayden's recent comments have been pretty promising on that front. I hope so too. To what degree they hold to the use Vader sparingly doctrine remains to be seen. To me, that rule more applies to scenes of violence involving Vader. Short, conversational scenes are different, while scenes involving an unmasked or Anakin-like presence are a whole other ball game. Christensen has effectively second billing in this series, so we can't just be getting the Vader of Rogue One again. Here are several ways to it:
1. Clone War era flashbacks - via Obi-Wan or Vader's memory
2. Unmasked Vader in real-time - both inside and outside the meditation chamber, should his mask or suit be damaged in a fight (or via other circumstances)
3. Obi-Wan hallucinations of Anakin - primarily in hermit-like scenes, but possibly also in a confrontation with Vader where he might also see images of his former padowan.
4. Vader visions of himself as Anakin - occurring in the meditation chamber
The first two occur in actual SW history, the latter two are imaginings or dreams, but are nonetheless important as psychological insights into our characters (ESB started this feature). If Padmé or Ahsoka were ever to feature in this programme, it would almost certainly be via 4. Flashbacks are more likely to be personal scenes on the battlefield or Jedi Temple between Anakin and his master. A live-action scene between Christensen's Anakin and Ahoska would be spectacular, it would forever cement to bond betwen the Episode 2.5 that was The Clone Wars animation, and Episode III. This would be my equivalent of the OT generation seeing the reuniting of Luke and Leia, it is difficult to think of anything that could pack a greater emotional punch. There probably would need to be a teenage recasting of Ahsoka too. I could definitely see the filmmakers reusing footage of Anakin and Padmé from the PT as part of a flashback Vader is having, or voice-overs of the latter. It's hard to see how they would bring back Portman, I'm not sure she'd be up for a cameo, unfortunately. The imagined future would certainly get some interested eyes in hardcore prequelists, but this is Obi-Wan's show after all, and I feel that one would be going off on quite a tangent, as much as it could serve as brilliant literary device. This internet user describes how it was done in past books:
I hope to see a Vader who is lost, who follows the emperor's orders, but who is nevertheless unhappy, dissatisfied, and visited by temptations to overthrow his master. There are two factors that drive him: the desire to hunt down and kill Obi-Wan, and the grieving for his wife (comics suggest he's hopelessly trying to resurrect her). Should the two former Jedi confront each other, which seems pretty guaranteed now, I'd love for Vader to throw in a line accusing Obi-Wan of tearing apart his marriage. I mean, why else is he so eager to kill him? It's not just that he's amongst the most prominent Jedi still alive, it's that its extremely personal.
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Post by smittysgelato on May 11, 2022 20:09:21 GMT
He's a cool guy. He used to be fairly competitive at weightlifting back in in college. Nerds can be surprising people, you know, despite the stereotypes.
He's still pretty big into gym and fitness. And would you look at that, he's just put out a new video on his thoughts on Hayden efforts to get into shape for the series:
Between Keanu and Hayden, you Canadians sure do put out some wonderful people into the world acting. No sociopathic narcissists, that's for sure. I've never been to your country, but I have heard your province has a similar mild, rainy climate (thus survivable haha)
Yeah, I have a friend who loves Star Wars that is a very athletic person too. She is also above average at drawing. I am actually not familiar enough with a lot of Canadian actors to comment on their personal character. Although I hear that Ryan Reynolds is a very solid human being. However, we do have some sketchy personalities of our own in other professions, so I wouldn't get too smug haha. I'd rather not talk about those people. In America's defense, that film industry is far larger there, and the population is bigger, so maybe the proclivity for narcissism is partially a numbers game? It is less rainy than Vancouver where I am at. But, yes, very mild weather. Not too hot in the summer and not too cold in the winter most of the time. Forest fires are an increasing problem in BC tho. Anyways. Back to Obi-Wan speculation! I expect Vader will be used sparingly in terms of action. I'm guessing one big duel with Obi-Wan and that's it. However, I do think there is more room for dramatic exploration with the character. An additional thought: I won't be surprised if this series leads to a series of Vader's own. So I don't think we've seen the last of Hayden as Vader once Obi-Wan is over. |
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Post by Seeker of the Whills on May 11, 2022 20:51:00 GMT
I think it has to do with the fact that, at least to me, Star Wars has always mainly been the "Tragedy of Darth Vader", so anything that didn't have Anakin/Vader as a central character felt tangential to the core saga. Solo, Rogue One (which only had Vader as a bit player) and even the numbered saga films from Disney didn't feel to me like something essential to the saga Lucas crafted. Agreed. That's why I find this new made-up, anime-like phrase "Skywalker Saga" is insulting. There is only the Saga, which is his how George Lucas always referred to it.
But I hope we get something more substantial with the character, like him reminiscing about Padmé. Something that connects to his humanity, and that they don't just show him as an invincible badass terminator again. Hayden's recent comments have been pretty promising on that front. I hope so too. To what degree they hold to the use Vader sparingly doctrine remains to be seen. To me, that rule more applies to scenes of violence involving Vader. Short, conversational scenes are different, while scenes involving an unmasked or Anakin-like presence are a whole other ball game. Christensen has effectively second billing in this series, so we can't just be getting the Vader of Rogue One again. Here are several ways to it:
1. Clone War era flashbacks - via Obi-Wan or Vader's memory
2. Unmasked Vader in real-time - both inside and outside the meditation chamber, should his mask or suit be damaged in a fight (or via other circumstances)
3. Obi-Wan hallucinations of Anakin - primarily in hermit-like scenes, but possibly also in a confrontation with Vader where he might also see images of his former padowan.
4. Vader visions of himself as Anakin - occurring in the meditation chamber
The first two occur in actual SW history, the latter two are imaginings or dreams, but are nonetheless important as psychological insights into our characters (ESB started this feature). If Padmé or Ahsoka were ever to feature in this programme, it would almost certainly be via 4. Flashbacks are more likely to be personal scenes on the battlefield or Jedi Temple between Anakin and his master. A live-action scene between Christensen's Anakin and Ahoska would be spectacular, it would forever cement to bond betwen the Episode 2.5 that was The Clone Wars animation, and Episode III. This would be my equivalent of the OT generation seeing the reuniting of Luke and Leia, it is difficult to think of anything that could pack a greater emotional punch. There probably would need to be a teenage recasting of Ahsoka too. I could definitely see the filmmakers reusing footage of Anakin and Padmé from the PT as part of a flashback Vader is having, or voice-overs of the latter. It's hard to see how they would bring back Portman, I'm not sure she'd be up for a cameo, unfortunately. The imagined future would certainly get some interested eyes in hardcore prequelists, but this is Obi-Wan's show after all, and I feel that one would be going off on quite a tangent, as much as it could serve as brilliant literary device.
I hope to see a Vader who is lost, who follows the emperor's orders, but who is nevertheless unhappy, dissatisfied, and visited by temptations to overthrow his master. There are two factors that drive him: the desire to hunt down and kill Obi-Wan, and the grieving for his wife (comics suggest he's hopelessly trying to resurrect her). Should the two former Jedi confront each other, which seems pretty guaranteed now, I'd love for Vader to throw in a line accusing Obi-Wan of tearing apart his marriage. I mean, why else is he so eager to kill him? It's not just that he's amongst the most prominent Jedi still alive, it's that its extremely personal.
I'm not such a big fan of the "Skywalker Saga" rebranding either, but I did discover that the "Star Wars: Episode I Insider's Guide" called the films the "Skywalker Saga", so there is precedent for them being called that before Disney came along. What I would like to see in the show is Vader and Obi-Wan both meditating and seeing visions of their past. I had an idea that the fight between them wouldn't be a physical confrontation, but some sort of Force battle over great distances, but it looks like they are actually going to meet. Still, I would like for them to connect through the Force, Vader in his chamber or bacta tank, and Obi-Wan in his hut on Tatooine. It may be too similar to what they did in The Book of Boba Fett, but there they established a precedent for using footage from the prequels for flashbacks, so they could perhaps use some of the deleted scenes from RotS, like this one:  That scene is great in illustrating their former camaraderie, which would well contrast with their present antagonism. Can't wait for the show, especially because it sets up scenarios for further "mirroring". Just from the trailer you can connect some dots to the films: On Tatooine near the Lars homestead, Obi-Wan watches and ponders from afar as young Luke pretends to fly a ship. Uncle Owen is resistant to Obi-Wan's desire to train Luke:  On Tatooine near the Skywalker home, Qui-Gon watches and ponders from afar as young Anakin builds his podracer. Shmi is welcoming to Qui-Gon's desire to train Anakin:  I also feel there is some resonance to this comparison:   |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 11, 2022 21:33:13 GMT
An additional thought: I won't be surprised if this series leads to a series of Vader's own. So I don't think we've seen the last of Hayden as Vader once Obi-Wan is over.
They cling real tightly to the use Vader sparingly doctrine. A whole series dedicated to him would really be sticking it to that. And fans would be demanding immense violence, most probably too much violence. Is a slaughterfest all that meaningful?
On the other hand, they have already made a series about a faceless character in the bounty hunter that is The Mandalorian. So the mask wouldn't be an impediment, but the fact that he cannot loose face, if you'll excuse the pun, makes him very tricky. You can have an Anakin or a Luke struggling or failing, but God forbid, you cannot have a Vader showing the slightest sign of weakness or emotion, or so it goes. Just look at how the fanboys already reacted to his despairing "No!" at the end of ROTS for a preview.
A) Can't have a series without the protagonist undergoing some hardship. Basic narrative logic.
B) Can't have a Vader showing weakness.
Given these two rules are so contradictory, how do you get a Vader series? Are we trying to convince a sprinter to become a marathon runner?
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Post by Cryogenic on May 11, 2022 21:33:51 GMT
I also feel there is some resonance to this comparison: What I don't get is... How can Obi-Wan see out of that thing? It looks like a preschool kid's idea of a View-Master he picked up at a flea market for five cents. |
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Post by smittysgelato on May 11, 2022 21:34:48 GMT
I don't mind referring to the Saga as "The Skywalker Saga." As more stories are rolled out that don't involve the Skywalkers, especially future films, they're going to have to have a name to differentiate them from everything else.
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Post by Cryogenic on May 11, 2022 21:38:28 GMT
I don't mind referring to the Saga as "The Skywalker Saga." As more stories are rolled out that don't involve the Skywalkers, especially future films, they're going to have to have a name to differentiate them from everything else. That seems to be its primary function. I believe Arch Duke, on the other hand, found it a disingenuous, last-minute bit of branding to rescue the Sequel Trilogy from its perceived shunning of the Skywalker family, in place of "I'm being torn apart" Kylo Ren and "Rey from nowhere". |
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on May 11, 2022 21:38:52 GMT
I don't mind referring to the Saga as "The Skywalker Saga." As more stories are rolled out that don't involve the Skywalkers, especially future films, they're going to have to have a name to differentiate them from everything else.
The governing body of football in England is called The Football Association (the FA). There is no "English" in the title. It is allowed do so because it was the first, it was the original. No differentiation required, it's an act of reverence.
The Saga it stays!
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Post by smittysgelato on May 11, 2022 21:41:24 GMT
I actually think that Rey being adopted into the Skywalker clan was kind of inevitable. So I don't really see it as a rebrand.
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