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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 5, 2023 15:01:01 GMT
Hello, folks! I thought I would start a much needed discussion on the merits and relevance of the physical format for our beloved films (and TV series), with news that Walt Disney will no longer sell DVDs and Blu-Rays in Australia and New Zealand. It begs the question not if but when other major film studios will follow, and when the rest of the Western World will follow.
Should we be content with a streaming-only world for our home entertainment? Are DVD and Blu-Ray worth preserving? Do you own a collection?
"You don't know what you got, 'till its gone" - Somebody
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Post by eljedicolombiano on Aug 5, 2023 15:11:51 GMT
No.
The problem with digital media is that you don’t actually own that stuff- iTunes has that problem.
This will in the end only encourage piracy
Not to mention we still have the Criterion Collection, and as long as they exist we will still have the sale of physical media in film
Add this to the endless list of reasons to hate Disney
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Post by smittysgelato on Aug 5, 2023 23:34:56 GMT
Yes, I do have a collection. Roughly 500 Blu-rays and 4Ks (85 of which are 4K), and a few DVDs. That being said, I haven't purchased a lot from Disney in recent years because they have made so many decisions that make their home media off-putting. With 4K, many of their films don't receive much of a boost, honestly. Furthermore, in Canada, the bilingual packaging is horrific (you don't have to worry about terrible packaging with streaming). To top it of, they don't do Dolby Vision on their 4K discs, and their Atmos tracks are rather anemic. That being said, their 4K disc of Cinderella looks great despite the lack of Dolby Vision. I did, however, import from the States to avoid the bilingual packaging, which costs more.
I am guessing that one of the big benefits of a streaming-only world would be the fact that the reduction of all that plastic would be good for the environment. Another thing is that even these physical discs are not necessarily permanent. In 10 years, there could be further upgrade in video quality and remastering technology, rendering the masters on your current discs obsolete. New masters will probably wind up on streaming services anyways (although, maybe there would be fewer incentives to restore movies if there is no home video market?) Some people also have trouble with discs degrading in humid environments (luckily I have never had this issue). Also, someone can burglarize your collection or your house can burn down. You don' own anything permanently. We're borrowing everything from the earth.
That being said, I still prefer home video to streaming. I will probably have more to say about this, these are only preliminary thoughts.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 8, 2023 23:25:59 GMT
Yes, I do have a collection. Roughly 500 Blu-rays and 4Ks (85 of which are 4K), and a few DVDs. Nice one. That's many more than I have. Furthermore, in Canada, the bilingual packaging is horrific (you don't have to worry about terrible packaging with streaming). I did, however, import from the States to avoid the bilingual packaging, which costs more. What's wrong with bilingualism? Languages are the spice of life, or so they are here in Europe any way. Do you really prefer the Anglo monoculture in North America, where everyone thinks and behaves the same? Let me tell you, I cannot tell the difference between the average Canadian and American accent, and I think that's terribly saddening. You should be proud of your linguistic diversity in Canada, or else you'll quickly find Quebec seceding.
To top it of, they don't do Dolby Vision on their 4K discs, and their Atmos tracks are rather anemic. That being said, their 4K disc of Cinderella looks great despite the lack of Dolby Vision. I did, however, import from the States to avoid the bilingual packaging, which costs more. Yeah, I've noticed that in my discs too. The sound quality can vary tremendously, corners were sometimes cut in the early days of Blu-Ray. Once you get yourself a proper sound system, poor audio can really tick you off. I am guessing that one of the big benefits of a streaming-only world would be the fact that the reduction of all that plastic would be good for the environment.
I think you're regurgitating the greenwashing BS from the cynical corporations who own these film studios here. Their push toward streaming is all about spending less to make more money, and if they can fool a few normies that it's about saving the planet in the process then they're laughing all the way to the bank. They don't care about people's beloved collections, barely care about film history, all they care about is their "curated" offerings where they bombard or guilt you into watching something you never wanted to see. While they boast about new titles arriving on their platform, they never tell you about about what they quietly take away.
Nobody wants plastics in the oceans, I get it. But this idea is peanuts and makes no meaningful difference.
Another thing is that even these physical discs are not necessarily permanent. In 10 years, there could be further upgrade in video quality and remastering technology, rendering the masters on your current discs obsolete. Well, what is permanent? It all comes down to the method of archiving. I'm not convinced that, say, squeezing an extra few pixels out of the original Star Wars makes much of a difference. I'm content with the remastering work Lucas has already done. What would be ideal is seeing the film in the original film projection.
I think the public are starting to cop that more pixels doesn't necessarily mean a better picture. TV sales are slowing.
New masters will probably wind up on streaming services anyways (although, maybe there would be fewer incentives to restore movies if there is no home video market?)
That's being rather generous to the studios.
Also, someone can burglarize your collection or your house can burn down. You don' own anything permanently. Or you can die of a heart attack tomorrow. Get run over next month. Contract cancer next year. Plenty to over-stress about, even more contingency plans to write. There's no limit to how paranoid one can get. Honestly, just live and enjoy.
We're borrowing everything from the earth.
Well I for one will not be following Musk on his adventures to Mars. He can clean up the 500 year old mess left in the Americas first.
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Post by smittysgelato on Sept 15, 2023 0:15:37 GMT
I think my view is more that I prefer the title to be in the original language of the film itself, with alternate language titles in smaller font to avoid clutter (although sizing can offend one's sense of equality). I watch a lot of Asian films for example, and would prefer the original Asian titles even though I can't read them (the characters are beautiful all on their own). If a smaller English or French title is included with it, fine, but when you overburden the cover art with a ton of text it bothers my sense of aesthetics. One also needs to consider the fact there are too many languages in Canada to include all on one cover, so practicality is an issue. I actually would have loved it if Criterion retained the French title for Cocteau's La Belle et La Bete for their release. No such luck, though.
And no just....no, lol. Quebec and Alberta love to make a lot of noise about seceding, but it ain't gonna happen.
Yes, when it comes to 4K, for example, the extra pixels aren't where the noticeable difference is. The difference is in the HDR (when done right) and in the quality of the master itself. The master for Batman 89 on 4K is a noticeable improvement over the old Blu-ray.
I am not trying to encourage people to worry about losing what they have, what I am saying is that owning a physical copy provides the illusion of permanence.
Oh, I doubt they are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. But it does take a lot of plastic and energy so that everyone who wants their own copy can have one.
Here's another big knock against physical I have experienced lately (although it is basically manufactured by neglect on the part of the powers that be): 4K disc players have turned out to be less reliable than Blu-ray players. My player (which I bought in April 21) has been glitching up during playback on a handful of discs. At first, given the fact it was a smaller number of discs, I thought I was just getting bad discs. However, I have replaced some movies several times, cleaned the discs, and have even had discs that worked the first time skitz out on me on repeat viewings. I went online to see if anyone else was having these issues and it turns out a lot of people are having issues with all of the players from the major players (although there are a couple of higher-end players available from non-mainstream brands that I haven't heard much about in regards to their reliability). On top of this, the quality control on the discs has been pitiful for the past few years. Many of them show up pre-scratched, so you have to jump through the hoops of replacing them. The thing is though, I have even got discs that glitch up even though they aren't even scratched, so that is why I started to suspect my player was the culprit. There is one movie in particular I have found that no one else has issues with. But like I said, everyone is having problems with at least some movies on their player, so you can't buy with any confidence anymore that these things are going to work the way they are supposed to. Some even suspect it may be a combination of discs and players (some discs and players just don't play well together kind of thing). I was able to send my player in to be serviced because I got an extended service plan, but when I get it back I will be testing it thoroughly before I sink more money into more discs. I might even go back to regular Blu-ray simply because they are more reliable (although, some of the regular Blu-ray discs show up scratched to hell now too, so replacing them is going to be a recurrent hassle). All of this being said, I would prefer to stick with physical because I don't like having to sub to various streaming services just to watch a handful of movies I want to watch while getting a bunch of titles I am not interested in, but boy the hassle of replacing discs is reducing the fun of collecting! So yeah, we will see what happens. I thought I would warn you guys about how unreliable 4K is in case you were thinking about upgrading.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Nov 22, 2023 21:02:59 GMT
DVDs were such a big source of revenue for film studios, it would be crazy to stop doing that.
In fact, releasing films straight to streaming with no physical media, in hopes of motivating subscriptions seems unsustainable to me.
The decline of physical media sales is actually a big factor in the changing landscape of filmmaking. Without that additional revenue, a lot of films that would've been green lit 25 years ago aren't now.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Nov 23, 2023 9:05:26 GMT
DVDs were such a big source of revenue for film studios, it would be crazy to stop doing that. In fact, releasing films straight to streaming with no physical media, in hopes of motivating subscriptions seems unsustainable to me. The decline of physical media sales is actually a big factor in the changing landscape of filmmaking. Without that additional revenue, a lot of films that would've been green lit 25 years ago aren't now. I was listening to an interview of Ridley Scott recently (press tour for Napoleon) and he was discussing the distorting effect of the streaming business. He said at one stage (2020 surely) they were even thinking of getting rid of cinematic releases, such was their faith in the VOD (video on demand) model. No mention of the physical media though.
If you've found any good articles on the matter, Subtext, do share them with us. With the streamer services constantly rising their prices now, the uncritical attitude the audience once had is now fading and the pitfalls more readily highlighted.
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Post by Subtext Mining on Nov 25, 2023 8:55:25 GMT
This is a compelling video I watched on how the world of movie making has changed over the last 20 years. He goes over everything including the changing physical media landscape.
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