Before the dark times. Before the Disney Wars...

What do you all think of this as a saga poster?

No Anakin in this poster. I mean where is the main protagonist of Lucas'Saga? Vader doesn't count here.
Padme is small and is haff in the bad guys territory.. She is punished for marrying Anakin maybe???
If they really wanted to develop good vs bad guys discourse in this poster, then Anakin should be on Luke's place and Luke should be completely in the blue sector.
Also practically in the center are Kylo and Ray. so this is ST oriented poster.

You're right. It's bigger than just Disney.

But it does make them a tad hypocritical, when Lucasfilm/Disney are expressing all these trendy "woke" sentiments, to see how easily they cave when appeasing big markets for money -- money which, ironically, they struggled to make in those markets anyway.

Which also exposes the true nature of corporate capitalism. They'll speak in all these platitudes, and dress themselves up as righteous and bold agents of change, running disinformation campaigns and casting aspersions at anyone that disagrees, labelling critics racists, xenophobes, sexists, misogynists, etc. But look how quickly they crumble -- and in plain sight. It's a form of leftist hypocrisy rampant in the world right now. The sad fact is that everyone knows which side their bread is buttered, and that usually takes precedence over nice sentiments about diversity, inclusion, equality, etc. If only people could own up to their own hypocrisy and recognise their role in perpetuating the very things they say they're against. And if only people would recognise that corporations have an immense Dark Side, and would actually resolve, through the political system and other means of targeted activism, to do something serious and concrete about it.

If you believe certain leaks/reports, they were even reluctant to have a black protagonist in the film, with Abrams having to argue vigorously for John Boyega's casting in TFA (then just "Episode VII"). And then there's their own racist film history, which they have tried to cover up and paste over.

Good video here on the vacuity of "Woke Disney" by Lindsay Ellis:

Well...

It was in that Reddit leak you shared in the TROS thread back in January:

naberriefields.freeforums.net/post/463/thread

The exact Reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/


I suspect a lot of what is written in that lengthy leak report is accurate. Too many of the leaks, especially those surrounding TROS (its plot was leaked months in advance along with many editing revelations), were shown to be extremely consistent with the finished film. The leaked Colin Trevorrow screenplay is almost certainly real, as well, because:

DECEMBER 2020 EDIT: These assertions are incorrect. Correction to follow:

Jun 29, 2020 5:48:58 GMT Cryogenic said:

- It has very close agreement with art for his version of Episode IX shown in "The Art Of The Rise Of Skywalker". It's not clear how they could align so much, unless whoever wrote it was aware of the art panels and hastily put something together in the short time available. That seems unlikely.

- It is very well-written and neatly typed with few errors, which again seems unlikely, given the speed and professionalism needed for someone to rush it out weeks after the release of TROS and shortly before the release of the film's "Art" book.

Correction:

"The Art Of The Rise Of Skywalker" only showcases art developed for TROS itself: i.e., the version that went into development from September 2017 when J.J. Abrams and co-writer Chris Terrio replaced Colin Trevorrow and co-writer Derek Connolly. 

However, Trevorrow confirmed that artwork that leaked online in January is legit and derives from his version of Episode IX. Some more artwork leaked online in February. This is not to be confused with other artwork that leaked ahead of the book's release in January, which Trevorrow pointed out wasn't from any version he worked on. This other material that Trevorrow disavowed was artwork made for the Abrams/Terrio film and is part of the book.

I somehow became confused on this point and believed that at least some of Trevorrow's material made it into the book. This is not the case. All the leaked material online pertaining to Trevorrow's vision for Episode IX is only available online. There was obviously a decision made to keep the two separate (the Trevorrow and Abrams versions) -- at least as far as "The Art Of The Rise Of Skywalker" goes. Nevertheless, because Trevorrow confirmed that the earlier artwork was for his version, it remains official artwork, despite being excluded from the book.

Returning to my post from June (though slightly expanded):

Subjectively, you can also detect why Kennedy and the Story Group may have had problems with Trevorrow's first draft of Episode IX (Kylo kind of diminished, no Bendemption), and why, given Carrie Fisher's passing, a re-write was needed (the screenplay dates to only a week or so after Carrie's passing). Trevorrow and Connolly would turn in a second draft, and then screenwriting duties would be handed over to Jack Thorne, but these revised versions also failed to satisfy.

- The leaked Trevorrow/Connolly script contains a heck of a lot of story ideas that clearly got re-arranged in JJ and Chris Terrio's version of the film, which explains why Trevorrow and Connolly received a story writing credit on TROS, despite being removed from the project and replaced by J.J. Abrams and Chris Terrio in September 2017. They worked on the film for the better part of two years, and given that Abrams and Terrio only had two years to work on the film from pre-production to release, it's not surprising that a lot of Trevorrow and Connolly's ideas made it into the completed film -- albeit re-arranged and sometimes rather subtly re-integrated. Credit should also be given to Colin Trevorrow for donating his residuals to charity. Some people have insinuated he's a sexist filmmaker (uproar on the issue may have played a part in Trevorrow getting the boot), but he's clearly got a good heart. One challenges his critics to at least try and match his basic decency in their own lives.

- Trevorrow has not disowned/denied the veracity of the leaked script. He only called a summary on Jason Ward's Making Star Wars website "rough" and claimed "not a single thing in here was ever in any screenplay that Derek and I wrote" (SOURCE). But here's the thing: The summary he bashed with a "yikes" and those aforementioned comments was a summary of a re-write done by Jack Thorne after Trevorrow and Connolly were either given the boot already or were about to be. Trevorrow's working relationship with Kathleen Kennedy was clearly on the skids by then. Trevorrow didn't go out of his way to make clear that Thorne was still working from his foundation. It seems he wants to put some distance between himself and Lucasfilm and the debacle of bringing these films to the screen (despite being obviously proud of the work he did) -- and who can blame him?

A lot of what has leaked out concerning these Disney films has been scarily accurate. Such as the leaked "Max Max"-style concept art, including a crashed TIE Fighter in a desert, for TFA. I was even told something on TFN (in private) that proved accurate (with regard to behind-the-scenes coldness and backstabbing). So I can well believe, even just going by this one source, that JJ had a fight on his hands, trying to convince Disney to let him cast John Boyega -- a black male pairing up with a female lead. Yes... We're really still that conservative, in good ol' "liberal" Hollywood, sadly... If it smells of Disney, you can bet, with their history, they had some hesitation.

Yah... It does seem like we need a dedicated TLJ thread.

On the other hand, when the thread was started by Alex, he was directly responding to me from Naboo News, and the discussion proceeded in that vein for a while. I got heavy into some TLJ Luke defence back on the first page of the thread. It may be hard to discern the thread's true purpose (despite that quoted remark) because of the way it started out.

I know you tagged ArchDuke, but, I would like to throw my 2 cents in...

The video does not offer any real or tangible evidence that shows Lucas would have brought back Palpatine. All she does is say, over and over, that Lucas was going to bring back Palpatine. She can say it all the times she likes, without a shred of reasonable evidence, just saying it doesn't make it true.

The one piece of "evidence" she does kind of point too is the Legends materials, which under Lucas was called the Expanded Universe. The Expanded Universe was not Lucas's Star Wars. He in fact called it a parallel Star Wars Universe. That was always made clear in the Lucas led Star Wars years. So for this video to point to the Expanded Universe stuff as evidence, or at least a basis, that Lucas planned to bring Palpatine back is illogical. The stories of the Expanded Universe were not created by Lucas. They were not his stories that he was telling, but, instead stories others came up with, that Lucas allowed, in order to make money off of, to be blunt. It's why, during the Lucas years, there were different levels of canon to Star Wars, where Lucas's movies and the Expanded Universe were completely different levels of canon, because Lucas did not write the Expanded Universe stories. His major role in the EU was just giving the OK to major plot details, like Chewbacca dying. 

When it came to Palpatine coming back, it's no secret I did not like it. I feel it did undermine what came before. With that said. If that is the story they wanted to tell, that Palpatine was back, there were much better ways to do it than "cloning", which is the easy "cop out". As I stated in another thread on these forums, a much more interesting way to bring Palpatine back would have been he was brought back by the Dark Side itself, a bastard reincarnation of the Dark Sides most potent and powerful ally. A reversal on Anakin's "birth". The metaphysical struggle between the Dark and Light, where the Dark tries to take a page of out of the Lights "chosen one prophecy".

I think it is quite clear from the movies themselves that Palpatine was not planned all along, just as Rey being a Palpatine is pretty clear from the movies as not being planned all along. Usually, things that are planned like that have at least some purposeful (I stress that word) hints. Hints that after the reveal is made, one can go back to and point at and say.. ahh, that is why that character said or did that. I stress purposeful because now, after the fact there are many trying to shoehorn hints and clues into TFA and TLJ to try and prove that there was a plan all along. 

Plus we have Trevorrow's own words that he was not bringing Palpatine back, and that it was an Abrams idea for Episode 9. I will admit this does nothing to prove or disprove what Lucas's intentions were, it does disprove any notion that Palpatines return was planned all along.