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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 26, 2019 15:07:15 GMT
Hello there! I've decided to create an exclusive thread where we can discuss the PT influence and potential involvement of its characters in Episode IX.
It's already confirmed that Palpatine will be returning, and he, I'm sure you will agree with me, is a character now more renown for his involvement in the PT than the OT. That fans and media refer to him more by the surname we first heard in Episode I, than "Emperor", speaks volumes. The voice we hear in the trailer is reminiscent of the younger man we see disguised as a politician until the Jedi purge. There is no way that the character can be handled in this new movie without a deep understanding of his journey in Lucas' second trilogy. It will be interesting to see how Abrams uses him.
There's also speculation that Anakin may make a return, or to be more blunt: "rise". Some have also spoken about Obi-Wan showing up too, but I'm doubtful on that one. This is not a thread for going on rants against Lucasfilm, Disney or Episodes VII and VIII. Please keep your responses on topic: that is, your feelings (or misgivings) on Palpatine, Anakin returning and on PT influences. Feel free to share your theories as to how they may, or may not work.
The 2nd Trailer for "Rise of Skywalker" is now out, and the callbacks to the PT are very abundant. It's difficult to ignore. See examples below:
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Post by tonyg on Aug 27, 2019 15:51:10 GMT
First as this is forum exclusively for the prequel trilogy I think that a separate ST thread would be out of space. Regarding to this topic I fail to see PT references. Before I was displeased now I'm relieved seeing what Disney is doing with the legacy of the Saga, the lore and the morale. Palpatine's distinctive laugh first appeared in OT and in PT it appeared when he became the Emperor so I consider this as OT reference. Ray looks more like Luke in ROTJ, i.e the third installment of OT so it fits in. Is not that is bad that there OT references, it just follows the tendency of Ep.7 and hey now we even have the same director. So I don't see new tendency at all but as I said this is more like advantage for PT.
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Post by tonyg on Aug 27, 2019 16:00:46 GMT
For the record Palpatine's return is the worst thing that could happen even if we consider this as OT reference. If it is not some flashback this would massacre everything that happened to Anakin, with the Republic and so on in the first 6 episodes. The references should be done on purpose. I prefer the PT never to be mentioned even metaphorically in the new movies instead of what is happening now.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Aug 27, 2019 19:44:38 GMT
For the record Palpatine's return is the worst thing that could happen even if we consider this as OT reference. If it is not some flashback this would massacre everything that happened to Anakin, with the Republic and so on in the first 6 episodes. The references should be done on purpose. I prefer the PT never to be mentioned even metaphorically in the new movies instead of what is happening now.
Well, there was considerable uproar from another section of PT fans that Episode VII went out of its way to blatantly ignore the legacy, and influence of the PT. There is a lot of truth to this, and I've even come across a few fans of the ST who have admitted this, and said Abrams was in the wrong here.
It's clear that you fall in the "leave my PT the hell alone" camp, but I'm afraid I see very little merit to it, if any. I believe it's the onus on every new SW film to acknowledge what has come before it, and I'm delighted to see that Abrams is finally doing that this time. You can discard it all you like it, but a homage is still a homage. And no, that doesn't mean I retroactively go back and change my opinion of VII.
Have you listened closely to the voice of Palpatine in the new trailer? It's pretty obvious that the line heard is of the younger, more refined, master-manipulator we see in the PT, and not the laughing, overconfident and unseeing specimen we see a redeemed Anakin kill. I'm not suggesting Palpatine returning is necessarily a good thing, for that remains to be seen, but simply the fact that they've plucked the character beloved from the PT is suggesting something.
I believe with Palpatine's return it is inevitable than Anakin will also return in some shape or form. The two form a symbiosis, which I have written about at length on Naboo News. However, if The Chosen One doesn't return, then yes indeed there will be dire ramifications for what that character achieved in RotJ, when he sacrificed himself for the good of the Galaxy. In short: it would spoil is whole his entire 6-film arc. |
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Post by M-I-D-1E on Sept 6, 2019 23:14:51 GMT
Sadly, I am using a broken iPhone so my writings will not be very long. Although I took notice of some peculiar aspects within episode 9 so I’d love to comment about it. There was once a being called “Pyro”, who displayed a unique perspective within the Disney’s browned out iconography of the new star wars films. Rather lambast them for un-creative imagery and content, he instead compared the ST to the PT, in an oddly positive light. With his own reasoning, it is the ST that was always influenced by PT or rather a crude “inverse of it”. That last bit was my own words:P
While I lack visuals I can describe in words.
In episode 8, Kylo and Rey began communicating “across the stars” during a “fireplace scene”. Yowzer! That’s quite the poetic combo don’t you think? Even in episode 7, observe how deliberate the “blues blues” colors are in the final fight between Rey and Kylo(oh these two!) creating a very deliberate contrast to Episodes 3’s “red hot lava” love between Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Episode 9 is repeating itself over again, making full circle within Lucas’s own “The Symphonic Sextuplet Harmony”(still trying to find a nice little title for it lol) I look at it as a small “cog” working within the context of a much larger clockwork mechanism. It works for me if you squint a little;)
Anyways, episode 9 is another TFA remake. I think this is evident. Who’s the director again;)
“You have to go backwards to go forwards”.
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Post by ArchdukeOfNaboo on Oct 25, 2019 15:05:31 GMT
The B-1 battle droid is present
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Dec 29, 2019 21:49:02 GMT
The film ends up being kind of a mishmash of TPM, ROTS, and ROTJ. Most of the prequel nods were Sith-related. The film opens with the planet Mustafar, which oddly still appears red from space, but ashy grey on the surface. Palpatine and his "unnatural" direct quote was a joy to hear. There's a canyon chase scene which visually mirrors the podrace. (The quicksand scene actually feels like Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, but that doesn't really count. Neither does Rey's healing the serpent, which reminded me of when Harry Potter talked to snakes.) When Rey slices the wing off Kylo's tie fighter, his cockpit tumbles like Sebulba's. During Rey's darkside Sith doppleganger vision, Darth Maul's Sith chattering music is featured, as well as the red double blade. Some have noted that 3PO greets himself the same way he does in Anakin's bedroom after his memory reset, and his wirey head-guts match that scene as well. The Sith holocrons visually seem inspired by the prequel era.
I gotta do some stuff right now, I'll post more thoughts later.
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Post by stampidhd280pro on Dec 30, 2019 0:49:09 GMT
Now, I'll probably get pushback for these observations, but I think the biggest impact of the sequel trilogy on the OT and PT is that when watching the full saga 1-9, it gives the films much-needed space and room to breathe. The prequels themselves happen really quite quickly, setting up the OT, but aside from the drastic change in style from PT to OT, there is also the matter of film length. Watching 1-6 always felt a bit like watching a two act play where the first act was bigger and more epic than the second. If there was one major flaw with the prequels it's that it made the OT look bad by comparison. While ROTJ has always offered a satisfying conclusion to Anakin and Luke's story, I'm glad the ST has come along to give the whole story a more epic climax. It also succeeds in combining its romance themes with Force-sensitivity in Rey and Kylo, a move which seems completely intuitive for Star Wars, and even implied somehow in some of Anakin and Padme's love story (especially the "ruminations" scene before Anakin rushes to save Palpatine), but with the added drama of conflict.
There seems to be a pervading notion that Anakin's Force-ghost should have reappeared to someone in the ST in a major scene as a tribute to his character, but I have to wonder, who would he appear to and why? Luke and Vader's story has already been told and ended on a fine note, and Leia and Vader's story was never developed in the first place. These stories have always been more about fathers and mothers, so having Han, Luke, and Leia appearing to our new heroes feels appropriate and thematically correct to the saga. Shoehorning Anakin's ghost into the story would feel either redundant or worse, fanfictiony.
More comments to come.
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